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2004-09-07 Iraq-Jordan
Dozens killed in Baghdad fighting
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Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-07 4:51:56 AM|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1  "Shia insurgents" Must be, why yes it is, it's the BBC.
Haters of anything Anglo-American.
Time to kill some more Sadr terrorists.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-07 5:40:42 AM||   2004-09-07 5:40:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Wowww, 5 GI's death in the last 24 hours and 1100 GI's wounded last month, seems you guys are improving the situation there. Strange folks those Iraqis, 90% of them don't like to be "liberated".
Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 6:42:09 AM||   2004-09-07 6:42:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 And 90% comes from a reliable source? The ex-pat Iraqis in London appear extremely grateful.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-07 6:47:44 AM||   2004-09-07 6:47:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Let's take reliable sources from the US then:

The 18 month’s toll since the Iraq war started: close to 1000 death, 7000 wounded (according to US Defence Department official numbers, real numbers are disclosed). The US army and Marines lost 66 dead and 1,100 injured in August after fierce fighting against Shia fighters in Najaf as well as in the continuing war with Sunni guerrillas further north. Many severely wounded US soldiers, who would have died from injuries such as the loss of all their limbs in the Korean or Vietnam wars, now survive because of improved medical treatment.

Impressive 1000/18 = 55 deaths/month, 7000/18 = 388 wounded/month, the Iraqis must luv you.

Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 6:55:25 AM||   2004-09-07 6:55:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 And according to Landstuhl Medical Center in Germany where American wounded are transported to, to keep them out of sight of the American public there are already over 12,000 battlefield casualties (US Defence Department says 7,000) from Iraq.
Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 7:13:44 AM||   2004-09-07 7:13:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Oops, forgot the link: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/World/landstuhl_040808-1.html
Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 7:15:02 AM||   2004-09-07 7:15:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I wouldn't begin to dispute military casualties - just wondered where the 90% stat came from... ummm... your head?
Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-07 7:24:58 AM||   2004-09-07 7:24:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Come on Murat we all know you're full of shit, now you get a chance to prove us wrong. Answer the question, where is the 90% figure from?
Posted by JerseyMike 2004-09-07 7:46:46 AM||   2004-09-07 7:46:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Hey, Murat, we're still waiting for the evidence you claimed to have of my "real" identity. Stop being a coward and stand behind your words.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-07 7:57:28 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-09-07 7:57:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 -"Anfal" campaign against the Kurdish minority, 1987-88. This brutal response to a Kurdish uprising in northern Iraq involved gas attacks on villages, including the town of Halabja in March 1988. Hundreds of villages were razed as large areas were ethnically cleansed of Kurds. About 100,000 Kurds were killed.
100,000/12 months = 8,000+ Kurd deaths per month
- Kuwait occupation, August 1990-February 1991. Thousands of Kuwaitis murdered, raped or imprisoned by Iraq's occupying forces. About 600 people disappeared and the country's oilfields were destroyed.
Discounting the “thousands…murdered, raped or imprisoned”, consider:
600/6 months = 100 disappearing Kuwaitis per month
- Crushing of the Kurdish and Shia uprisings, March-May 1991. Saddam forced about 450,000 Kurdish refugees to flee towards Iraq's northern border with Turkey. Thousands more were killed. In the south, his Republican Guard tank units attacked the Shia holy cities of Najaf and Karbala. Between 30,000 and 60,000 Shias were killed.
30,000 to 60,000/3 months = 10,000 to 20,000 Shias killed per month

So, using Murat’s logic…there’s a whole bunch of Iraqis (Kurds/Shias) and Kuwaitis that are better off now Saddam/or his sons are no longer in power.

And, our servicemen are giving up their lives to give all of them an opportunity for a better life. The operational word being “life”.
Posted by RN  2004-09-07 8:05:28 AM||   2004-09-07 8:05:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 -"Anfal" campaign against the Kurdish minority, 1987-88. This brutal response to a Kurdish uprising in northern Iraq involved gas attacks on villages, including the town of Halabja in March 1988. Hundreds of villages were razed as large areas were ethnically cleansed of Kurds. About 100,000 Kurds were killed.

100,000/12 months = 8,000+ Kurd deaths per month

- Kuwait occupation, August 1990-February 1991. Thousands of Kuwaitis murdered, raped or imprisoned by Iraq's occupying forces. About 600 people disappeared and the country's oilfields were destroyed.

Discounting the “thousands…murdered, raped or imprisoned”, consider:

600/6 months = 100 disappearing Kuwaitis per month

- Crushing of the Kurdish and Shia uprisings, March-May 1991. Saddam forced about 450,000 Kurdish refugees to flee towards Iraq's northern border with Turkey. Thousands more were killed. In the south, his Republican Guard tank units attacked the Shia holy cities of Najaf and Karbala. Between 30,000 and 60,000 Shias were killed.

30,000 to 60,000/3 months = 10,000 to 20,000 Shias killed per month

So, using Murat’s logic…there’s a whole bunch of Iraqis (Kurds/Shias) and Kuwaitis that are better off now Saddam/or his sons are no longer in power.

And, our servicemen are giving up their lives to give all of them an opportunity for a better life. The operational word being “life”.
Posted by RN  2004-09-07 8:08:09 AM||   2004-09-07 8:08:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/World/landstuhl_040808-1.html

Murat, the 12,0000 casualty number is unattributed in the story, that is, no named source, in other words. I get to suspect that stat as false until you can show an official source for that number.

ABC sure didn't bother to attribute it. So why should you, right?
Posted by badanov  2004-09-07 8:09:20 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-09-07 8:09:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 So, using Murat’s logic…there’s a whole bunch of Iraqis (Kurds/Shias) and Kuwaitis that are better off now Saddam/or his sons are no longer in power.

Supposing that all of what you say is right RN (you have no proof, merely allegations), so why are Iraqis fighting occupating Americans then, Saddam is no excuse anymore, try something else.
Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 8:11:15 AM||   2004-09-07 8:11:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Murat try Iranian funded terrorists, foreign Arab Islamists' and a smattering of deposed Saddam loyalists' you moron.
Posted by JerseyMike 2004-09-07 8:15:04 AM||   2004-09-07 8:15:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Murat, If they truely want American's to leave, quit shooting at them. They'll leave. The world has complained when the American's leave too early. As long as they keep shooting at them, it's too early. Oh, that's right. It 's always better to lose tens of thousands of your young people, than try something the Muslim faith is famous for, peace. Which would work.
Posted by plainslow 2004-09-07 8:15:19 AM||   2004-09-07 8:15:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 The "proof" is in the photos of the gassed cities where adults and children lie in groups where they fell and in the thousands of mass graves we're being taken to, and uncovering in the desert.

I suppose you don’t believe in the Holocaust either?

There will always be remnants of the previous regime (which we put out of power) and disgruntled/fanatic splinter groups that want power who will fight until the last one of them is killed or convinced to mend their ways.
Posted by RN  2004-09-07 8:23:53 AM||   2004-09-07 8:23:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Murat try Iranian funded terrorists, foreign Arab Islamists' and a smattering of deposed Saddam loyalists'

No buddy, I should try WMD, nuclear weapons, aiding AlQaeda like Bush did :)

I wonder how long it will take till Iraq-syndrome (Vietnam syndrome) becomes effective. Your army is unable to quell the insurgency, the mess you produced keeps growing and last month was a record in US casualties, keep up that good work!
Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 8:48:42 AM||   2004-09-07 8:48:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 You are totally nonsensical Murat. The only reason I responded to your drivel in the first place is because I got tired of reading your anti-American BS. I'm still waiting to hear about where that 90% figure came from by the way.
Your last post proves to me you haven't the faintest idea of what your talking about.
Posted by JerseyMike 2004-09-07 8:58:48 AM||   2004-09-07 8:58:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Murat do the basic math.

There are 25 million or more Iraqis there.

There are less than 170,000 total troops in the coalition there.

IF even 10% were up in arms, they would run us out of there very quickly.

The people "rebelling" are Saddamists, Al Qaueda backed terrorists, and a band of ciminals led by a criminal (Sadr). Remember that Saddam emptied the prisons - meaning every single thug, murderer, thief and rapist was let go, and there wer no police to stop them. That's who is causing the mayhem - and thats who Sadr seems to have attracted to form his "Army".

Again, do the math, micro rodent.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-07 9:02:54 AM||   2004-09-07 9:02:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Murat's real beef is that an American army in Iraq deters the Turks from their regularly scheduled genocide.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-07 9:13:00 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-09-07 9:13:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Murat, my sweet,

If we could stick it out in hostile Germany for over fifty years, and in hostile South Korea for over forty, I think we can handle a few over-enthusiastic criminals in Iraq for a little while longer.

Besides, they are counting on Kerry to win the presidency, which his own people now don't seem to think is very likely. How do you think a second Bush term will affect "rebel" moral?

To while away the time between now and November 2nd, may I suggest you read The Anti-American Obsession by the French intellectual and journalist Jean François Revel. On its pages will be revealed whose ideas you so uncritically endorse, and their basis. I imagine you will find it quite illuminating.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-09-07 9:24:30 AM||   2004-09-07 9:24:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Too literary, trailing wife, for M. But thanks for the heads-up. I'll look for it next time I'm at the library.
Posted by chicago mike  2004-09-07 9:43:55 AM||   2004-09-07 9:43:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Answer the question, where is the 90% figure from?

From inside his pointy little head.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-07 10:03:36 AM||   2004-09-07 10:03:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Hey what's up with those Armenian forces occupying Iraq anyway?
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-07 10:10:50 AM||   2004-09-07 10:10:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Murat thinks America is the looney left and the academic elite. Sorry Murat - they don't have the numbers to even support one radio station.

The rest of America is getting ready to remember 911 - and is getting more pissed with each atrocity.

As you are well aware, we haven't even shifted into 3rd gear yet, much less overdrive.
Posted by B 2004-09-07 10:24:52 AM||   2004-09-07 10:24:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 The people were repeating words that support the ING and IP and wanted the government to put an end to what they called ‘a disgrace’ and ‘crimes’ that happened in AlNajaf especially the courts of Muqtada... Let the world know the real Iraqi people, the people who look for peace and justice, security , freedom and democracy..not those criminals who are shown on the channels kidnapping and killing the innocents in the name of ‘resistance and Islam’…there is NO ‘resistance’ in Iraq, there are AlQaida, Saddamis, Arabs and criminals who are destroying our country and the MNF, ING, IP and the IRAQI PEOPLE are fighting them….
Must be the 10%
Posted by plainslow 2004-09-07 10:47:34 AM||   2004-09-07 10:47:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 Yeah, Ship. He can really work up a good hate now. Looks like gramps missed a few way back when, Murat.
Posted by tu3031 2004-09-07 10:50:47 AM||   2004-09-07 10:50:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Do you guys know what is the most popular product sold in Iraq right now? It's a CD, not some kind of song or movie, but a CD that shows the beheading of the Egyptian Muhammed Abdul Ala. People who buy the CD say they enjoy to see what happens to tugs that help the Americans (source The Washington Times), weard eyh? It shows how much Iraqis are fed up with their "liberators", but who cares to you all Iraqis are terrorists anyway.
Posted by Murat 2004-09-07 11:21:21 AM||   2004-09-07 11:21:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 *strums fingers* Still waiting on your 90% figure, Murat...

A pre-mature exit, with all the potential for disaster that implies (as exemplified by Tater's aborted attempts), plays into the hands of the Turks, allowing them an excuse to crush the Kurds and sieze the saucy parts of North Iraq. (To use a Putin-ism..)

A side diversion: How exactly did Saddam attain "legitimacy" without a REAL election, and how come that methodology supposedly would NEVER apply to any post 2003 Iraqui government?
Posted by Ptah  2004-09-07 11:28:22 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2004-09-07 11:28:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Murat - what a sad little hate-filled man you've become. You used to be worth responding to - now you're worth nothing, not even ridicule. Buh-bye
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-07 11:37:04 AM||   2004-09-07 11:37:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 here's last sentence of Murat's quote,
"Strange folks those Iraqis, 90% of them don't like to be "liberated"".

As a former US President might say, it depends on the meaning of 'those'.

If 'those' are 'high level Baathists' or 'Iranian funded Shia' or 'Sunni Islamists', then Murat is correct.
Posted by mhw 2004-09-07 12:13:11 PM||   2004-09-07 12:13:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Murat - thanks for sharing what we are up against, we have trouble grasping just how deranged you and your death cult really are.

Do you think that scares us? Think again. It just makes us less sad that we are going to have to eventually kill the likes of you.
Posted by B 2004-09-07 12:26:43 PM||   2004-09-07 12:26:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 ...CD that shows the beheading of the Egyptian Muhammed Abdul Ala. People who buy the CD say they enjoy to see what happens to tugs that help the Americans (source The Washington Times), weard eyh?

People who enjoy watching a person's head being sawed off sound more like sadists than avengers to me. The method they like reveals everything about them. Iraqis who buy this tape share a lot in common with other people who enjoy watching torture, video or live-Americans, Iraqis, or anyone else. Apparently some people have a lot of progress to make on the evolutionary scale. Murat, do you belong at the bottom with them, the middle with most of the rest of the world, or the top with all those renowned saints of Turkey?
Posted by jules 187 2004-09-07 12:48:13 PM||   2004-09-07 12:48:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 If you folks want to see a site that has more Murat-isms check this one out:

http://abbaskadhim.blogspot.com/

The posters at this site say that the resistance is a nationalist movement. There is some good thrust/parry opportunity there if you want some fun.
Posted by remote man 2004-09-07 12:52:03 PM||   2004-09-07 12:52:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Chicago Mike,

If I recall correctly, Murat is a university student. But at any rate, he is fairly widely read for someone whose native language is not English. Certainly his language skills are strong enough to handle the English translation. For all I know, he can understand the original French (L'obsession anti-americaine: Son functionnement, ses causes, ses inconsequences), which I certainly cannot.

I have the library book in front of me (I lent my own copy to my parents -- while Mama can handle the French, Daddy can't -- along with Michael Moore is a big fat stupid white man), so I can tell you with confidence that the Dewey call number is 303.48rev

Happy reading ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2004-09-07 1:03:09 PM||   2004-09-07 1:03:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Nice try MuRat...let's get back to what the article is really about...American/Coalition forces kicking more islamist @ss! Another steaming pile of Sadrist corpses to stink up the place. Hey Murat, know what a dead islamist smells like? Smells like victory.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-07 1:18:15 PM||   2004-09-07 1:18:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Murat reminds me a little of Dean Martin's take on Detroit City....

Is your German as good as your English? If so BMW is a good place to work I hear.
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-07 1:53:25 PM||   2004-09-07 1:53:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 You of course will be required to keep the tiles clean, even around the door.
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-07 1:54:28 PM||   2004-09-07 1:54:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 And the Germans expect you to bathe regularly too.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-07 10:23:42 PM||   2004-09-07 10:23:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 And brush your tooth as well.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-07 10:35:03 PM||   2004-09-07 10:35:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Oh and Murat go back to screwing your goat.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-07 11:05:49 PM||   2004-09-07 11:05:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Jules mentioned sadism, and there's a lot of that in Iraq. I also think that the so-called resistance is mainly young punks who think fighting is cool. Has nothing to do with nationalism or patriotism. I see their faces in the videos. Same punks I see on the streets here in the USA. These guys are clueless morons, from the lower end of the Bell curve, who love the adrenalin. Same mentality that creates gangs and gang crime in this country.
Posted by V is for Victory 2004-09-07 11:52:04 PM||   2004-09-07 11:52:04 PM|| Front Page Top

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