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2004-09-04 Terror Networks

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Posted by tipper 2004-09-04 6:07:32 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Come now, anyone with half a brain must realize that Zionists staged the Beslan incident in order to create a stigma of global magnitude that will spur the Americans on to continue their crusade against 'militant' Islam, only this time the plan included children in order to raise the world's hatred of Moslems to a new level.

Posted by UFO 2004-09-04 8:58:33 AM|| [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com] 2004-09-04 8:58:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 You're repeating yourself, dufus. If you had even half a brain you could restate your loonie views when you switch threads.

What is wrong with you, other than being a dickhead, that is? What possible benefit do you derive from coming to RB, posting idiocy, and being thoroughly ridiculed, derided, and ripped to shreds for it?

You are the leading candidate for the position of proverbial red-headed stepchild. Well deserved.

Posted by .com 2004-09-04 9:03:57 AM|| 2004-09-04 9:03:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Ooohh boy , u really are a dumb crack head arent u ?
The only person with half a brain round here is you *shrug

The worlds hatred of extremist muslims comes from that fact that muslims hate the rest of the world and will stop at nothing to try and achieve their aim of converting people to their *cough* faith . or kill them in the process ..

ohh and if u have the intelligence to know any arabic "rehtak seyaara wa shaklak khara"
or in written "ÃÃÃÃÃ ÃÃÃÃÃ Ã¦ÃÃÃ¡Ã ÃÃÃ"

you stupid little cunt

Posted by MacNails 2004-09-04 9:10:04 AM|| 2004-09-04 9:10:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 For some time now, I have advocated a global program of wetwork that I call "Gideon West," after the successful Israeli effort to track down and eradicate the cockroaches who murdered their athletes in Munich in 1972. My plan was necessarily much larger in scale, there being thousands of the vermin now instead of a dozen or so.
I suspect that the KGB is about to embark on just such a campaign and the net will be wide indeed.
We wouldn't really be able to restrain them and I, for one, would not break a leg, or even a toenail, trying.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-04 9:18:33 AM|| 2004-09-04 9:18:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Gideon West, of course, is also the name of the secret agent hero in the 60s TV series and recent movie Wild, Wild West.
Gideon Phoenix is another name I have suggested, recalling both the Israeli project and our successful if messy VC eradication program during the Vietnam War.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-04 9:22:07 AM|| 2004-09-04 9:22:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 UFO-
I hear a village is missing it's idiot. Why don't you return there? The Muslim world is doing it's own fantastic job of presenting it's truly evil side to the world, no need to invoke the jooooos here!

Posted by Craig 2004-09-04 9:36:32 AM|| 2004-09-04 9:36:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Is it possible that UFO is being sarcastic? It has to be. Nobody is that stupid except......

Posted by Anonymous6134 2004-09-04 9:44:46 AM|| 2004-09-04 9:44:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I think of UFO as a barking dog trying to interrupt an intelligent converstion between adults. Everytime someone makes a point, he goes, "Woof, woof."

But the comparison breaks down when one realises that dogs bark for a reason.

Posted by Bryan 2004-09-04 10:15:15 AM|| 2004-09-04 10:15:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 ...anyone with half a brain

Suggest you file that one, UFOOL. You're making it too easy.

Posted by tu3031 2004-09-04 10:36:32 AM|| 2004-09-04 10:36:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter â if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats â then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral.

Is this not the bottom line?

Yesterday, I added a reply to one of the posts where one of the Russian media outlets interviewed the person behind the attacks in South Russia, someone with the ignominious nickname "the Lobster". This crustaceion (sp?) was a Wahabist. They have shown themselves to be the top of th evil list in Islamic sects. What is needed is a public list of all mosques, ad "Islamic Centers" in non-Moslem countries where there is a significant Wahabist element. Like the pariahs they are, they can be watched with greater scrutiny by civillians. Lack of action if something happens can lead to recall of mayors and councilmen, or firing of police chiefs. Bureaucrats will then "understand".

Now morons like UFO can get his ACLU buddys to try to stop us if he chooses, but there are still more of us than them, and we can make it very uncomfrtable if need be. And if the absolute cowards in the rest of the Islamic community can't excise them like a cancerous tumor, then we may have to include all of them in the watch list.

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-04 11:06:59 AM|| 2004-09-04 11:06:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I said from the very beginning of my RBU education that a targeted approach was needed. Without guilt. A bomb and deny with sarcastic remarks to show how we no longer care about 'moderate bullshit'

It may be time to pull the troops and open the real front in the War on Jihad. That front needs to be against islam and it's myths. The major mosques must be destroyed. MUST. Until that, it's just BS. This is not a war on terror damn-it.

A friend of mine saw the Berg beheading and said to me, Thats not Islam, Man. Yes it is.

Posted by Lucky 2004-09-04 12:46:56 PM|| 2004-09-04 12:46:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Old ufo is having a hard time reconciling the fact that the terrorists-murderers were predominantly Chechan and Soddie.

Posted by anymouse 2004-09-04 3:03:00 PM|| 2004-09-04 3:03:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 I was a somewhat successful wet works...
one site showing some Phoenix Program info...

Posted by 3dc 2004-09-04 3:32:21 PM|| 2004-09-04 3:32:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 time to start up again: calling John Clark?

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-04 3:34:47 PM|| 2004-09-04 3:34:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Itâs time for Muslims to stand up for the once-noble, nearly lost traditions of their faith and condemn what Arab and Chechen terrorists and blasphemers did in the Russian town of Beslan.

As True German Ally has suggested, the time is long overdue for a simple showing of hands amongst world leaders from every nation on earth. One single question, "Do you condemn the Beslan atrocity?" No caveats, no qualifications, binary choice, "yes" or "no."

Those who reply with "no" or refuse to answer go onto a regime change list that the "yes" countries then depose. No exceptions.

If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter â if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats â then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral.

Which is why I am obliged to concur with Zhang Fei that Wahhabism must now be declared a political ideology and not a religion.

#4 For some time now, I have advocated a global program of wetwork ...

I could not agree with you more, Atomic Conspiracy. Thugs like al-Qaradawi, mullah Omar, al-Sadr, abu Hamza and Bakar Bashir should top the list. After that, a comprehensive campaign to eradicate all Saudi Wahhabists should be undertaken. Neither should the Iranian ayatollahs be exempt either.

If these violent murderers want war with the West, then war it should be. Since they conduct their campaign without any demonstrable front, neither should we be obliged to provide them with one. Covert teams of trained snipers, precision guided munitions, whatever it takes to wipe these bilious turds off of the map. If they hide in a Mosque, it too becomes a target. No remorse, no regrets, just the methodical elimination of those who delight in planning another thousand atrocities like Beslan. Playtime's over.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-04 3:36:09 PM|| 2004-09-04 3:36:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 how about hands among muslim leaders? If a Roman Catholic squad of killers were to slaughter muslim schoolchildren, would tehre be any hesitation by the Pope to condemn it in teh strongest terms possible? None! Islam breeds killers, face it. Time to return the favor! wetwork in Riyadh!

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-04 3:43:52 PM|| 2004-09-04 3:43:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 There are John Clarks out there. But damned few after the last 6 years of Clinton (first 2 were not too bad). There's a gap from guy of my years and the new breed that have come up since GWB took over.

And thats what sucks - we are now paying the price for deluding ourselves into thinking the world was done with conflict becasue we beat the bear, and coudl spenf time on wine, women and song, and solve everythign with a few cruise missles.

They could make the calls, but damned few Mr Clarks are capable of answering the summons anymore. Just too old to do field ops, and most of the younger guys dont have the field experience just yet do do things clean, and with the press completely opposing Bush, there is no way they can risk the next 4 years during the next 2 months.

Re-elect Bush with a full Republican Congress and I bet the gloves come off.

If only I could roll back the clock 10+ years physically ...

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-04 4:16:44 PM|| 2004-09-04 4:16:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 rest easy OS - there are always JC's comng up when the need arises, and I trust this administration understands the need. Now, Putin does as well. Some new consular "business" visitors in Riyadh?

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-04 4:23:26 PM|| 2004-09-04 4:23:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 #16 how about hands among muslim leaders?

Them too, Frank G. In many ways, they have served to breed up the Beslan atrocity even more than the political tyrants that shelter them. All of them need to be put on record about this. Because of mandatory conscription in Israel, the terrorist apologists have too often been able to weasle about there being no non-combatants (if you can somehow ignore the child casualties) in that conflict.

Beslan is devoid of such ambiguities. This was a slaughter of innocents and there should be no hemming and hawing in answer to demands for universal condemnation. As usual, there is not a single outcry from any corner of the Islamic world over Beslan and this is an utterly damning silence on their part.

Old Spook, I've read your other posts and just wanted to say that I feel much the same. I do not think your rage is either uncharacteristic or un-Christian of you (although I cannot profess to be an expert on Christianity). All I see from your end of things is appropriate indignation and outrage over an atrocity that goes so far beyond the pale that any retaliation seems justified.

Posted by Anonymous6166 2004-09-04 4:42:12 PM|| 2004-09-04 4:42:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 A6166 = Zenster

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-04 4:43:03 PM|| 2004-09-04 4:43:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 A friend of mine saw the Berg beheading and said to me, Thats not Islam, Man. Yes it is.

Lucky,

What your friend meant to say is that beheadings are not his version of islam. You know, the one that he has probably constructed in his head out of a desparate attempt to excuse its excesses so that he can continue to cling to belief in it.

Thats what any decent muslim has to do. Latch on to the flimsy excuses and the odd verse that sounds good and call that real islam.

Posted by peggy 2004-09-04 5:23:27 PM|| 2004-09-04 5:23:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I've read the posts concerning declaring Wahhabism an ideology. The idea has great merit. We need to lean hard on the Soddis. They have a choice, join us in the declaration or face being caught on the wrong side of the hell that WILL be visited upon the ME. It started with them, they owe the world a hand in the resolution. Otherwise, bugger 'em. I won't sleep either way.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-04 7:12:22 PM|| 2004-09-04 7:12:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter

Since the world has not condemned - and in MANY cases condoned - the slaughter of Jewish children in Israel, Muslims must surely believe it's ok whenever they are feeling "oppressed."

It's a slippery slope the petrowhores have allowed to exist for too long.

Posted by PlanetDan 2004-09-04 8:25:30 PM|| 2004-09-04 8:25:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 You know, Zenster, RB's own Gay Rambo, it's all very well to claim solidarity with your homies by highlighting their names in bold, but we're all doing what you won't to fight the War, which is voting for George W. Bush in November.
Who IS your candidate???
Because it's all very well to sit here and bitch about the evil of Waahab terrorism day after day, night after night, but what are you gonna do about it?
And why it is dependent on the state's blessing on you marrying your gay boyfriend?
Isn't it worth daring not to speak your "love's" name to win this war?
When Zell Miller spoke about WWII, he said that FDR told America to put their "private plans" to the side because the world was at war.
I daresay that here and now the same situation applies.

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-09-04 8:56:16 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-09-04 8:56:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Of course Ralph's diagnosis is accurate, but this prediction is off the mark: "No matter what differences Western states discover to divide them, the terrorists will bring us together in the end. Their atrocities expose all wishful thinking for what it is."

In fact, it's Ralph who's guilty of wishful thinking when he assumes that liberal western civilization tends more toward unity and moral clarity than disunity, internal bickering, and opportunism.

Many in western Europe and in the US will manage to condemn Breslan while still mouthing their catechism about how Bush, and now Putin, are along with Sharon the Source of All Evil in the Modern World. The EU's idiots have already done so, and Russians, to their infinite credit, rose up unanimously and bitch-slapped those jokers.

And of course, Villepin et Cie. are running around the middle east now, twlling any muslim thug who will listen that France is not on America's and Iraq's side.

Put it another way: there is no longer any real sense of "the West." Even though it's objectively true that, in the jihadists' eyes, there is no difference whatsoever between French atheists, Texan fundamentalists, and German homosexuals, these groups do not consider that they have a shared civilization that requires putting aside their internal differences. The West as a coherent and cohesive moral entity is dead.

After the outrage subsides and the editorials start appearing in the Guardian and Le Monde and Berliner Tageszeit about how both Bush and Putin are "blundering butchers," a sober realization will take place among those who see the jihadist savagery for what it is. We will recognize, I believe, the following hard truths:

-- there is no correlation between the degree of democracy in a nation and that nation's importance to us as an ally in our war with the jihadists;

-- though our cause is just, we cannot win this war unless we make common cause with many nations and regimes that we have heretofore considered alien or not compatible with US values;

-- there will be no ceasing of the pronounced tendencies toward self-hatred and self-blame of large segments of western populations.

Bottom line: time for us to abandon the nonsense that only democracies can be our allies. It's 1941 again. We need to quit wasting so much time with Europeans who cannot help or harm us much in this new world and set about re-ordereing our alliances and diplomatic priorities with a cold eye on the main chance.

In other words, Russia and India's support and eager, active coordination are more important to us than anything France or Germany are likely to provide. If we're to defeat the jihadists, we need to go back to diplomatic realpolitik and shift our attention to this century's emerging great powers, the ones that truly do have critical assets to lend us in the near and far east.

NATO is dead. The West is dead. Shift our gaze eastwards and put aside sentiment. Long live the anti-jihadist Entente.

Posted by lex 2004-09-04 11:09:40 PM|| 2004-09-04 11:09:40 PM|| Front Page Top

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