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2004-09-02 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-09-02 13:11|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Wrong link folks. Try this one

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/2/120951.shtml

Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-09-02 1:13:08 PM|| 2004-09-02 1:13:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Try this

Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-09-02 1:27:08 PM|| 2004-09-02 1:27:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 That sucking sound you hear is Kerry's staff's buttholes puckering.

Enjoy the ride, J. FN. Kerry. I know I will.

Posted by badanov 2004-09-02 1:28:05 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-09-02 1:28:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 It's all part of the Vast Right-Wing (Techno Brown Shirt) Conspiracy! I know because today I am wearing a brown shirt! Of course we all know that Bush ordered the Navy to investigate this in order to cover up his being AWOL (satire).

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-09-02 1:38:34 PM|| 2004-09-02 1:38:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 It's all part of the Vast Right-Wing (Techno Brown Shirt) Conspiracy! I know because today I am wearing a brown shirt!

Holy Hell! I am wearing a black shirt! Of course it has a drawing of Tux in the back and Linux on the front, but it's still black. ;o)

Posted by badanov 2004-09-02 1:40:51 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-09-02 1:40:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Torpedoes in the water! Two points off the starboard bow!

Posted by mojo 2004-09-02 1:59:47 PM|| 2004-09-02 1:59:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Torpedoes in the water! Two points off the starboard bow!

And a turn to port will sink her for sure.

Posted by badanov 2004-09-02 2:01:44 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-09-02 2:01:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 let's back off on the guy. We want him on the ticket in November.

Posted by B 2004-09-02 2:13:08 PM|| 2004-09-02 2:13:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 No mercy for traitors.

Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-09-02 2:17:54 PM|| 2004-09-02 2:17:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 No way the Dims can change the candidates now. The USA ain't Jersey.

Posted by Brett_the_Quarkian 2004-09-02 3:14:55 PM|| 2004-09-02 3:14:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 The MSM will ignore this as long as possible and then cover for Kerry on this.

However, given what Kerry said about ADM Mike Borda the cover will be interesting.

Posted by mhw 2004-09-02 3:38:46 PM|| 2004-09-02 3:38:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The MSM will ignore this as long as possible and then cover for Kerry on this
MSM: "The Navy's a bunch of cheap liars trying to besmirch OUR boys great war record."
Kerry campaign:"the Navy is the ultimate authority on the Kerry's war record."
MSM: "Er, oh, never mind...."
If When the SS Kerry sinks, I hope it takes the whole damn partisan media with it.

Posted by GK 2004-09-02 5:38:18 PM|| 2004-09-02 5:38:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 You know... I can never remember how many medals IKE received.... didn't really seem to matter. Swifty John is missing the point and should run hard away from this.

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-02 5:50:15 PM|| 2004-09-02 5:50:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Maria Theresa's keeping the bullets in a separate place. http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/16/boorda.6p/

Posted by lex 2004-09-02 5:54:59 PM|| 2004-09-02 5:54:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 If they take away Kerry's Purple Hearts, does the Navy send Kerry back to Vietnam to finish out his tour?

Posted by ed 2004-09-02 6:08:15 PM|| 2004-09-02 6:08:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Shipman, it's probably too late for John to run away from his false embelishments and other fantasies. And as he himself said, âWhen you are the chief of them all, it has to weigh even more heavily.â
Some of the Clinton's old master spinners may be able to turn the tide, but then again who are they really loyal to? Hillary 2008

Posted by GK 2004-09-02 6:13:44 PM|| 2004-09-02 6:13:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I expect and hope you are right GK.

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-02 6:44:41 PM|| 2004-09-02 6:44:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 OK, I asked that question before. What is this with the claims that Silver Stars are not awarded with Valor when defendamerica.mil reports this:

Soldier Awarded Silver Star with Valor

"FORWARD OPERATING BASE WARHORSE, Iraq, July 20, 2004 â The 1st Infantry Division Commander, Maj. Gen. John R.S. Batiste, awarded the Silver Star medal with Valor, one of the highest military decorations, to Staff Sgt. Raymond Bittinger, an infantryman from the 2nd Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment and attached to the 1st Battalion, 6th Field Artillery, according to 1st Infantry Division officials."

What am I missing here?

Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-02 7:27:08 PM|| 2004-09-02 7:27:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 By definition, the Silver Star medal award must show valor under fire. There is no combat V option for the Silver Star. The writer would have been better off writing "awarded the Silver Star medal FOR Valor".The bronze star medal (without combat V) can be awarded for performing a non-combat job really well, for instance putting together intelligence that leads to enemy defeat.

https://www.perscom.army.mil/tagd/tioh/Awards/SILVER%20STAR1.html
3. Criteria: The Silver Star is awarded to a person who, while serving in any capacity with the U.S. Army, is cited for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. The required gallantry, while of a lesser degree than that required for award of the Distinguished Service Cross, must nevertheless have been performed with marked distinction. Soldiers who received a citation for gallantry in action during World War I may apply to have the citation converted to the Silver Star Medal.

https://www.perscom.army.mil/tagd/tioh/Awards/BRONZE%20STAR1.html
3. Criteria: a. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the military of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
b. Awards may be made for acts of heroism, performed under circumstances described above, which are of lesser degree than required for the award of the Silver Star. <-- with V
c. Awards may be made to recognize single acts of merit or meritorious service. The required achievement or service while of lesser degree than that required for the award of the Legion of Merit must nevertheless have been meritorious and accomplished with distinction. <-- without V

Posted by ed 2004-09-02 8:04:44 PM|| 2004-09-02 8:04:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 OK, with all respect, but if the Pentagon can commit those "errors" on its website, then I think this issue is nitpicking to the extreme.
After all who writes those DD214 forms? Not Kerry, right?
So all you can blame Kerry for is not insisting on correcting an error by the regulations. An error that seems to be rather frequent since it keeps appearing on the Pentagon site.
With all respect, but there is really more important stuff about Kerry than that.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-02 8:28:42 PM|| 2004-09-02 8:28:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 TGA, I think the question is whether the DD214 has been altered.

Posted by Super hose 2004-09-02 11:33:14 PM|| 2004-09-02 11:33:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Damn! One of my aides made a mistake, not I!

Posted by John Kerry 2004-09-02 11:35:23 PM|| 2004-09-02 11:35:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 The Army and Navy have differing standards on how to award the V device for Valor.

Note the above links are ARMY, not NAVY.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-03 12:19:32 AM|| 2004-09-03 12:19:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 OK, I'm no expert in this. But I read that in another report that the Army does not award Silver Stars with V either.
I feel that if you start to dissect every detail, the big picture gets blurred.
I guess it was a mistake of the clerk who filled in the form and nobody noticed it. Probably just copied the upper line.
If you were going to "alter" (means fake) an official document, that would be rather stupid as he did get the Silver Star and the Bronze Star with V. (whether truly deserved is another thing). Document forgery for just a little (and rather useless) embellishment? Would be a felony, too, right?

I find it far more relevant that he threw his medals (sorry ribbons) away and now touts them ad nauseam.

Not to mention his other actions in 1971. But I guess these will be the September discussion.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-03 12:36:03 AM|| 2004-09-03 12:36:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 OldSpook, I had an XO who had an award with a "V" on it that he got as a CIC watchstander for a Staff on a CV during the first Gulf War. As far as I can tell, Boorda would certainly have qualified for a V within Navy standards.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-03 12:36:41 AM|| 2004-09-03 12:36:41 AM|| Front Page Top

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