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2004-09-01 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Violence, poverty and abuse led girl, 16, to gallows

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Posted by tipper 2004-09-01 10:18|| || Front Page|| [10 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The fact that the religious judge himself put the rope around her neck and the letters of âcongratulationsâ from the townâs governor to the judge, commending him for his âfirm approachâ have only added to the torment and pain many say they have felt.

The judge and governor agree, this will guarantee them 72 virgins, because they ~~executed~~ er ~~killed~~ er murdered a girl for "sleeping around".

I wonder if the "judge" was breathing heavily as he put the rope around her neck.

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-01 10:59:10 AM|| 2004-09-01 10:59:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I hope and pray that one day the Iranian people will revolt and hang every single one of those Mullahs that oppress and terrorise them so.
Religion of Peace, my ass(TM)!

Posted by 98zulu 2004-09-01 11:46:06 AM|| 2004-09-01 11:46:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 muslims can insist until they are blue in the face that islam is good for women but the facts on the ground just don't bear up.

It seems that the more seriously you take it, the more you try to implement it, the worse everyone's situation gets but especially those of women. But if you don't take it seriously and allegorize it and just see what you want to see and obey only what you want to obey then its not so bad.

What good religion gets better the less seriously that you take it?

Not to knock on the other fine religions in the world besides my own but how bad can it get if you take the teachings of Jesus seriously? You get people like Mother Teresa, St Francis, MLK and countless others. But the only way to get those kind of results in muslim people is to obey only half of islam by following only what mo said and being selective in following what he did. The decent ones pay lip service to their religious obligation to emulate mo. The ones that do emulate him fully end up hanging to death a girl who never had a freakin chance!

Why? because mo taught that society must be violently purged of troublemakers and sinners. He ordered adulterers to be stoned to death. He watched as 500 jewish men were beheaded. He encouraged his henchmen to murder his opponents and turned a blind eye to what happened etc. He created a whole society where evil is swept under the rug so that it only seems to disappear and then when the hidden "latrine' finally overflows and one of its victims becomes inconveniently visible, then these are the ones eliminated and the problem is considered dealt with! Anyone who might differ is castrated by fear of what might happen to them if they stand with the victim.

This is real and pure islam in action. You have it in Iran and in SA and anywhere where it is dominant.

Posted by peggy 2004-09-01 11:47:15 AM|| 2004-09-01 11:47:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 PS I didn't mean to imply above that islam has actually produced anyone of the caliber of these people. If they had their part of the world would be in much better shape.

To be fair, there are many decent muslims who have stood up to injustice and have helped the poor. Good on them. But due to their cultural and religious conditioning, they can only go so far. There is a whole host of things in islam that work together to restrain people from reaching as far as they really need to go.

I could of course write one of my usual novel length posts to support that comment but I'll spare you that for at least today. I'll wait until a better opportunities arise to explain my thinking on this.

I just wanted to make it clear that I do not believe that there are any muslims like the Christian people I mentioned. The truly good ones that I know of don't seem to belong to the same order.

BTW. if you are reading this liberal hawk. I am fully aware of the undeniably great and awesome moral examples of Ang Sung Suu Kyi for the Bhuddists and of course of Gandhi for the Hindus. I do not think that only my religion produces great saints.

Posted by peggy 2004-09-01 12:08:24 PM|| 2004-09-01 12:08:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Not to mention the author of the Diamond Sutra, possibly the clearest and most rewarding exposition of the thought of the Buddha in existence.

Posted by DLS 2004-09-01 2:16:26 PM|| 2004-09-01 2:16:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 there's a minor inconsistency in the story that bothers me - last week or so when it first came out, part of the story was how her father went around trying to find money to get a lawyer to take her case, no luck and she ended up defending herself. Now this story says the father isn't in the picture.

Minor, but it makes one wonder.

Before someone does a kneejerk flame on me, I think, that if this is true, the judge needs a Sicilian necktie and to be hung with a pig's prick in his mouth.

I'd just like to make sure the story is true, first ....

Posted by Anonymous6253 2004-09-01 2:24:10 PM|| 2004-09-01 2:24:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Bhudda is a guy I can definitely respect.

Bhuddism and Christianity are both faiths with a central figure who humbles himself to live a life meek and mild and unpriveledged. In both faiths, it is the essence of greatness to live as though one were not great.

I think this is responsible for the great power of both faiths. After my own faith and Judaism, I have the most respect for Bhuddism.

I'll have to check out the Diamond sutra. I read the Bhagavad Gita after reading a bio of Gandhi and I have always wondered what to read or where to start with Bhuddism. Thanks.

Posted by peggy 2004-09-01 2:29:11 PM|| 2004-09-01 2:29:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I haven't figured out how to post links here yet. The last time I tried, it came back to the RB home site, which caused some ribald comments. If you want a good translation of the sutra, go to google and type "diamond sutra price". Another good starting point is the Buddhist bible, edited by Dwight Goddard. Cheap at Amazon. You should accept the term "anatta" (no self/soul) before starting, otherwise the buddha's repeated statements that he has no teaching seems odd.

Posted by DLS 2004-09-01 3:41:54 PM|| 2004-09-01 3:41:54 PM|| Front Page Top

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