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2004-09-01 Britain

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Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-01 00:08|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Howard and Bulldog, is this for real?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-01 12:37:37 AM|| 2004-09-01 12:37:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Love the headline. Needs a subtitle, though.

"Knaves and Bounders also Targeted"

Posted by mojo 2004-09-01 2:18:27 AM|| 2004-09-01 2:18:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The English are too proper to call these little thugs on the street what they actually are, criminal gangs. These little punks hold entire subdivisions ("Estates") hostage while they trash them at night. Some can't even get fire protection unless the firemen have a police escort as the little gangbangers toss bricks at the firemen and damage the fire trucks. Just freekng insane. As for the adults that get these ASBOs Most of them would see jail time for the crap they pull over here in the US. Freeking insane.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 3:18:04 AM|| 2004-09-01 3:18:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Supporters say ASBOs are a valuable tool against persistent offenders.

Says it all really. ASBOs are just proof that the criminal justice system has utterly failed to protect the innocent folks whose lives are made a daily misery by antisocial youths who run riot with impunity in many poorer estates in the UK. The persistent offenders (and everyone knows who they are) are never held to proportionate account for ther behaviour - even when they're apprehended by police they're given suspended sentences or a verbal slap on the wrists and sent back out to wreak havoc. We all know what the solution is, but in post-justice Britain 'prison isn't the solution' according to those bleeding heart morons who control the judicial system. Blair, Major: both to blame. But the ball's in Blair's court and even Mad Dog Blunkett hasn't taken the bull by the horns.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-09-01 5:20:36 AM|| 2004-09-01 5:20:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Perhaps they will when some adults get some spine and make sure the punks feel more safe in jail than out on the street.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 5:25:11 AM|| 2004-09-01 5:25:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 SPoD - not going to happen. Law-abiding folk who take their defence into their own hands are easy meat for the cops who have arrest targets to meet and find nailing the aggressors almost impossible. For example, Tony Martin, a farmer from Norfolk who shot at two thieves, killing one, after his house was burgled repeatedly for years. He snapped after the police singularly failed to do anything to protect him and his possessions, and in return got the book thrown at him. Slap a delinquent and it's you who'll be in the cells, not the urchin. Criminals have 'rights' nowadays, not the victim.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-09-01 5:44:07 AM|| 2004-09-01 5:44:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Spot on Bulldog - you can't say anything to the little twats without them reading you their rights - ie after you've physically prevented them from smashing up a bus shelter. The Police in my part of the world show no real interest in combatting low level crime - you never see them on the beat in SE3 and I've witnessed them deliberately ignoring incidents that aren't deenmed worth the paperwork - verbal abuse/ violence. We don't need ASBOS we need more juvenile detention centres - punishing the parents financially may also work.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-01 6:14:01 AM|| 2004-09-01 6:14:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Well if you can't beat the kids beat the parents. Balaclavas are cheap enough. Since the cops are the unarmed ones put them in fear of what will happen to them if they don't start putting the screws to these little snots. I joke OK.

Videotape of cops not doing their job is a good weapon. I am sure the tabloids would love that stuff. A note to the parents telling them what will happen to them if their kids don't start getting with the program. There is also sorts of psyops stuff that can be used. Call the Mormon missionaries around to their homes. Set up visits by cults. Suscribe them to porn. Have the water shut off. Call the health inspector. A call to social services in regards to child abuse/neglect. The list of dirty tricks is very long indeed.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 6:34:11 AM|| 2004-09-01 6:34:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Oh yeah... and get the Police out of the kebab shop and on the beat... I think we need a version of the French CRS in London to restore order.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-01 6:40:11 AM|| 2004-09-01 6:40:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Howard and Bulldog, attacking low-level criminals is the way that Rudy G supposedly cleaned up NYC. Has anyone looked at his model in the UK?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-01 2:28:22 PM|| 2004-09-01 2:28:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 What about "ruffians"? Are they on the list?

Posted by tu3031 2004-09-01 9:26:25 PM|| 2004-09-01 9:26:25 PM|| Front Page Top

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