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2004-08-22 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
16 year old Iranian girl hanged in public for her "sharp tongue"
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Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-22 4:13:27 PM|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I've already quoted that in a comment but I thought it shouldn't get buried there.

Notice that the Islamic Republic's Supreme Court approved this, so its not a local thing. This is Sharia at work.

When Iran is finally liberated all these judges should hang... the same way.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-22 4:17:40 PM||   2004-08-22 4:17:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Fine.
If they won't post my article, I'll rewrite it:


Islam & Honor Killings:

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.

First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.”

Shedding more light on it, Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:

“Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)

The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments.

It goes without saying that people are not entitled to take the law in their own hands, for it’s the responsibility of the Muslim State and its concerned bodies to maintain peace, security, etc., and to prevent chaos and disorder from creeping into the Muslim society.”

Moreover, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, member of the North American Fiqh Council, adds:

“In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.

Honor killing is a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.”

Posted by Gentle 2004-08-22 4:22:39 PM||   2004-08-22 4:22:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Gentle: Law is meaningless if it is violated by those in authority without condemnation *and* punishment. In the very few places in the world where "civilized" Sharia is practiced, it is laughable even compared to Soviet or Chinese Law, and it is chaos compared to Roman, Napoleonic, or that most liberal of Law, Common Law.
It is not built of reason, or compassion, though it claims both. It is laced with cruel judgement for the weak and no punishment at all for the strong. As a civil law, it is corrupt beyond measure. It is beyond redemption.
And that is when it is practiced in western countries, under secular inhibitions, and in cultures far more liberal than most. In the greatest part of the world it is an abomination. A tool to justify the worst violations and perversions imaginable. It is the handmaiden to genocide, racism, sexism, homocide, and every cruelty that should have been forgotten a thousand years ago. No animal should be forced to live under such torment, and in the west, no one would want an animal to live that way. It is a sick and diseased imagining, and beyond grace. No human being should trust to a god that would visit such horror on his followers, and if Allah exists, then surely he must reserve his darkest, hottest and most painful Hell for those who promulgate such horrors on the innocent.
Posted by Anonymoose 2004-08-22 4:42:41 PM||   2004-08-22 4:42:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Gentle, the case I posted above was not about honor killings. This is Sharia and Iranian Supreme Court sanctioned barbaric murder.
I don't care what some "liberal" Islamic scholar in Canada says, I care about what is actually DONE in Sharia countries.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-22 4:54:45 PM||   2004-08-22 4:54:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 The actions of this girl in court suggest to me that she may have been mentally ill. If that is true this is doubly horrible.

Gentle (you dipshit) - you can quote chapter and verse all day long blah, blah, blah but the fact remains that a girl, not yet an adult, was brutally hanged by a religious man egomaniacal madman simply because of her smart mouth.

Should I apply the same measure of guilt to you, and we lived in a county where the punishment for said smartassery was death - How long do you think you would last?

I however don't pretend I am God.



Posted by Doc8404 2004-08-22 6:52:35 PM||   2004-08-22 6:52:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 No offense, but if this judge lives out the year, her father either has no balls, or doesn't think of her daughter as fully human.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-08-22 7:00:03 PM|| [http://www.polipundit.com]  2004-08-22 7:00:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Gentle, thanks for the theory, but we base our opinions on the reality. The reality is that, for whatever reason, an Iranian local "judicial administrator" can personally execute a 16-year-old girl for "contempt of court." Nuff said.
Posted by Tom 2004-08-22 8:22:09 PM||   2004-08-22 8:22:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”.

And yet, whenever someone tries to ban it, the locals whine about religion.

See Jordan for an example. A bill came before the legislature to make it a crime. The bill was defeated because it would have been "un-Islamic".

The problem, Gentle, is this phrase:

"Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification."

They get legal justification: The "crime" is generally cast to be adultery, even if the poor girl was raped. And, since Sharia requires the testimony of two women to match the testimony of one man, all the guy has to do is say, "Yep, she wanted it!"

You keep spinning these fantasies about Islam, ignoring the reality. Stop insulting us, please, and start looking at the reality.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-22 8:39:00 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-08-22 8:39:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 slam has to be some sort of mental disorder. It does not matter a whit what some dufus mullah SAYS...it's the actions.

This is just another example of what the entire world will be subjected to if we fail to irradicate the radical, islamo-cockroaches.
Posted by anymouse  2004-08-22 8:50:36 PM||   2004-08-22 8:50:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Islam isn't a religion. It's a death cult that must be completely, totally, and utterly exterminated from the face of the planet. It is not a religion of peace, it is not a religion of civilization. It is the cult of carrion feeders and should be shown no mercy or compassion. Only death.
Posted by Silentbrick  2004-08-22 9:42:27 PM||   2004-08-22 9:42:27 PM|| Front Page Top

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