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2004-07-19 Britain

Horrific news frm UK:90% of whites have few or no black friends

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Posted by rex 2004-07-19 12:38:02 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Anonymous8833 TROLL 2004-07-19 12:55:35 AM|| 2004-07-19 12:55:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 A8833: What do you expect form a racist, white supremacist garbage nation?

White supremacists don't provide citizenship for foreigners who end up on their shores. Actually, the only countries that routinely provide citizenship to people of other skin colors are white. China, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Singapore, et al all make it very difficult for foreigners to become citizens. White nations aren't racist - it's the non-white nations that are.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-07-19 1:02:16 AM|| 2004-07-19 1:02:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 What nonsense are you spouting about the British? "White supremist nation" ??? Say what????The headline could have easily read that 90% of Blacks in Britain do not socialize with whites and as a result have little empathy for them,their culture, and heritage. Then what would have been your response?

Posted by rex 2004-07-19 1:11:32 AM|| 2004-07-19 1:11:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Bogus poll,bogus results.It was an internet survey-who knows who actually responded and if they gave truthful answers.What is definition of minority-if being of Muslim faith makes one a minority does being Jewish make one a minority too?Where is context-what is breakdown of pop.mix and where do they live?A positive spin would be almost 1/2 of white Britains have a "minority" friend.If people live and work in rural areas that are all white,where would they meet minorities to be friends with?If pop.mix is 3/4 white,1/4 other you would expect higher % of minorities to have white friends.(Example only-I don't know mix in Britain and story doesn't say).

Posted by Stephen 2004-07-19 1:39:13 AM|| 2004-07-19 1:39:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Pity, rex -- I still like Blair for his support in Iraq.

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-07-19 2:11:59 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-07-19 2:11:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Of course the survey had pitfalls. But the important point is that the whole premise for such a study is nonsensical pitfalls or not.

Whether 90% of whites had no black friends or whether 9% of whites had no black friends is IRRELEVANT!!!What does a high or low rate of inter-racial friendships demonstrate about a nation? How important are inter-racial friendships to a society?

Just because a bunch of Kumbaye left wing airheads declared that the UK should be a "multicultural society" 40 years ago, and all the sheep believed that this was true, does it follow that every white Brit needs to go out and adopt a black immigrant as a best friend by year 2004? What absolute drivel. As long as no person is victimized because of his color, the gov't and its agencies have no right to shame citizens into embracing people of different color or religions. Since when do gov't bureaucrats have the right to push their lame brain social engineering ideas into private citizens' personal lives.

It's interesting that today there's evidence that the worm is turning in Canada,another nation almost totally ruined by idiotic left wing mantra ie. multi cultural is good, melting pot is bad; black and brown are beautiful, white is evil. A recent poll showed that only a SLIM majority of Canadians now believe multiculturalism policies intended to keep Canada a "cultural mosaic" are good. He, he...I love it.

Now you Brits, get some fire in your boxer shorts/panties and trounce the Labor party out on their girlie men ears at the next election.

Posted by rex 2004-07-19 2:27:59 AM|| 2004-07-19 2:27:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 The Guardian and its Leftist lies---Fie!
All they do is stir up trouble and bad feeling all the time.
From what I've seen living in and visiting Britain, it's a wonderfully integrated society and most of these black people are immigrants and their descendants from former British colonies.
Unlike Moooslims, Africans, Asians and Caribbean-born immigrants seem to assimilate pretty well into the native British population.
The Guardian always has Leftist political motives for all their articles and this one is trying to make English people look like White Suprematists because of the recent emergence and election victories of the British Independent Party, some of whose members supposedly have committed hate crimes against Muslims.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 2:36:47 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 2:36:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 47% of ethnic minorities say white people form all or most of their friends.

Doesn't this suggest there are hardly enough ethnics to go round? Half say white people constitute most or all of their friends!!! There are far more whites than ethnic minorities in the UK: fact. I would estimate that half the white population of the UK are physically restricted from socialising with black or other ethnic minority people because minorities do tend to form their own communities, at least for a generation or so. There are parts of the UK (for instance rural of Scotland, most smaller towns and the villages outside central England) where you'll find very few non-whites. This isn't exclusion, it's a reflection of the fact that most immigrants to the UK tend to live in urban areas.

What nonsense.

Jen, you really have to sort out your confusion over the difference between the United Kingdom Independence Party and the British Nationalist Party - they're not the same thing at all!

Anonymous (coward): ...white supremasist garbage nation? So much shit in so few words. I'm impressed.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 3:08:39 AM|| 2004-07-19 3:08:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Sorry, Bulldog--which ones are the "skinheads?"
(I'm afraid, however, that Lefty papers like the Guardian, add to confusing these groups and don't mind that because they'd love to discredit both groups.)
Race relations in the UK are all mixed up with the numerous immigration issues, which are not the same thing.
The US can and has absorbed millions of immigrants (even the illegal ones) because we're so big and have such abundant resources whereas the UK is tiny, but in the case of both countries, most immigrants--except for the Mooslims--manage to assimilate.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 3:16:24 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 3:16:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Sorry, Bulldog--which ones are the "skinheads?"
(I'm afraid, however, that Lefty papers like the Guardian, add to confusing these groups and don't mind that because they'd love to discredit both groups.)
Race relations in the UK are all mixed up with the numerous immigration issues, which are not the same thing.
The US can and has absorbed millions of immigrants (even the illegal ones) because we're so big and have such abundant resources whereas the UK is tiny, but in the case of both countries, most immigrants (except the Mooslims that are here to wage jihad) manage to assimilate.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 3:17:21 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 3:17:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Jen - I described the diffs here a couple of days ago. Basically, the BNP is the skinheads' party of choice.

You're right that elements of the pro-EU media sometimes try to label UKIP as racist. Mainly this is through highlighting their highest-profile member (not including Joan Collins), Robert Kilroy-Silk (a former Labour MP, then TV chat-show presenter) who lost his job with the BBC when an article he wrote critical of Arab culture whipped up a hurricane of outraged PC hysteria. Not actually racist at all, of course, but his critics couldn't be bothered to make the distinction between genes and culture.

I'd say most Muslims do tend to get on well with their neighbours here in the UK. All the ones I know I would consider to have assimilated, too. They're one of the most important communities (if under-appreciated), operating most of the Indian restaurants. You have to be pretty 'assimilated' to take the crap their staff do on Friday and Saturday nights...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 3:52:23 AM|| 2004-07-19 3:52:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I remember Kilroy-Silk's article and the controversy around his sacking--He was outstanding!
And IIRC, he got quite a bit of support from the Muslim community itself that wanted to be known as moderate.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 3:55:13 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 3:55:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 but in the case of both countries, most immigrants--except for the Mooslims--manage to assimilate
Say what? If assimilation is so swell and wonderful in the USA, how come we need to print our ballots in 99 different languages? How come in California we have bi-lingual education in our public schools? How come gov't departments in California offer a choice of Spanish or English as language options when you call them for information, though I don't recall ever reading that the USA was a bi-lingual country. I'm sorry to say but Muslims are not the only immigrants who clutch onto their birth country ways. Don't pass off a bunch of "everything's coming up roses in our melting pot heaven "malarcky to our UK poster pals, Jen.

Once upon a time the USA was a melting pot nation, but in the past 3 decades, the USA has drifted closer to the multicultural mosaic model of Canada and the UK.

The first wave of 18 million immigrants between 1890 and 1920 came from Europe and they followed the melting pot assimilation route in the USA. The second wave of immigrants, per Teddy Kennedy's Immigration Act of 1965, are no longer from Europe. Rather the source for immigrants today are developing nations, primarily Latin America and Asia, and to a much lesser degree from the Middle East. With this second wave of immigration, melting pot theory went out the window and in its place celebrating diversity and cultural differences became the watchwords. Being an hyphenated American is very common now. You know the drill, Bulldog, you've seen it happen in the UK.
...many historians argue that there was a greater consensus in the past on what it meant to be an American, a yearning for a common language and culture, and a desire â encouraged, if not coerced by members of the dominant white Protestant culture â to assimilate. Today, they say, there is more emphasis on preserving one's ethnic identity, of finding ways to highlight and defend one's cultural roots...But many scholars worry about the loss of community and shared sense of reality among Americans, what Todd Gitlin, a professor of culture and communications at New York University, calls "the twilight of common dreams." The concern is echoed by many on both the left and right, and of all ethnicities, but no one seems to know exactly what to do about it...One study of the children of immigrants, conducted six years ago among young Haitians, Cubans, West Indians, Mexican and Vietnamese in South Florida and Southern California, suggests the parents are not alone in their concerns.
Asked by researchers Alejandro Portes and Ruben Rumbauthow how they identified themselves, most chose categories of hyphenated Americans. Few choose "American" as their identity. Then there was this â asked if they believe the United States in the best country in the world, most of the youngsters answered: no.
Bulldog, fyi, the Washington Post ran a series of informative articles about the changing patterns of immigration and its adverse effects on the melting pot paradigm in 1998 entitled "One Nation, Indivisible: Is It History?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/meltingpot/melt0222.htm

Posted by rex 2004-07-19 4:13:38 AM|| 2004-07-19 4:13:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Being an hyphenated American is very common now. You know the drill, Bulldog, you've seen it happen in the UK.

Actually, rex, we don't have that phenomenon in the UK. We have had elements pushing for multiculturalism, with some success, but generally the trend's been for natural assimilation. Ethnic groups' younger generations, at least, prefer to mix rather than be ghettoised. Even the head of the 'Commission for Racial Equality' has spoken out against multiculturalism. You do hear the phrase "British-Asian" sometimes, but that applies to all sorts, and I've never personally heard anyone use the phrase, to my recollection - it's a media thing.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 4:43:15 AM|| 2004-07-19 4:43:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 It's funny, that at least here in America, men are expected to be sexually experienced at the time of marriage, and women inexperienced virgins, so what you really get in High School is 90% of the boys getting screwed by 10% of the women.
Be careful with stats, people.

47% of ethnic minorities say white people form all or most of their friends.
You know what that means? That's some really friendly white people, is what it is.
More than eight out of 10 white people have no friends who are practising Muslims, and only one in 10 white people was close to a Hindu or Sikh.
"OMG OMG! We need more Muslims!" (The vote doesn't consider ethnic minority Xtians.)

Your standard dyadic relationship threshold is about 70, your absolute max is 200. Parse that between the immigrant and native-white stats for population by location, and you'll get the numbers cited by the article. Big whoopie.

Posted by Asedwich 2004-07-19 4:45:44 AM|| 2004-07-19 4:45:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Don't get me started, Bulldog - it's no fucking wonder - living in London, the only time I really have anything to do with the minorities is when I'm being forcibly marched to a cashtill under the threat of being diced with a machete.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-19 4:51:13 AM|| 2004-07-19 4:51:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Bummer, Howard. Sounds like a move norf o'the river might be in order.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 5:01:40 AM|| 2004-07-19 5:01:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 norf o'the river - You mean Injun country?! A few WASP areas still left saaarf o'the river. I really could describe some horrific incidents... a shame, having grown up in Derby, a very mult-culti town, it's incredible to see the separation between communities in London.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-19 5:05:12 AM|| 2004-07-19 5:05:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Would you say separations are marked more south, than north? West end / East end tend to be cosmopolitan without having exclusive monocultural ghettoes, at least that's my experience. I've never had trouble in London, living in the 'Arab quarter' or elsewhere. Not spent much time saarf... though, I muct admit. Except a couple of weeks in Lambeth, which was IIRC, about 50 % black.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 5:19:24 AM|| 2004-07-19 5:19:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 South's allright - but I live in a relatively white area bordering the ghettoes of Deptford/ Peckham / Camberwell/ Lewisham - which are a crock of shit. I don't have a great deal of knowledge of North London. There's certainly a deal of tension where I'm from - half-a-mile from Well Hall Rd where Stephen Lawrence was stabbed - so we do get a division along racial lines between the Afro Caribbeans and us whities. Dumping several hundred Somalis in the newly renovated council estate across the road has meant the Met have to have plain clothes and armed officers on frequent patrol to combat the accompanying crime wave. Thinking of moving as in the past year or two, once friendly areas have become no-go.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-19 5:32:53 AM|| 2004-07-19 5:32:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Please don't tell me Del Boy's been elbowed out of Nelson Mandela House, Howard.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 5:53:17 AM|| 2004-07-19 5:53:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 He's moved out to a mansion in Kent after pulling a heist at Heathrow. Got a nice place next to Kenny Noy's in West Kingsdown. A group of Nigerian 419 scammers now occupy Del's flat. Cushty.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-19 8:34:13 AM|| 2004-07-19 8:34:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 I don't have any black friends,for the simple reason there is not a black family within 20 miles of my home.However I have many Hispanic and Native-American friends.In the entire area of Gobe/Miami,Arizona I doubt there are more than 200 African Americans.This survey means absolutly nothing.

Posted by Raptor 2004-07-19 9:23:31 AM|| 2004-07-19 9:23:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 I'd guess 90% of reporters for the Al-Guardian don't have any non socialist friends.

Heck, I'll bet 50% of them don't have any friends other than other Guardianistas.

Posted by mhw 2004-07-19 9:58:15 AM|| 2004-07-19 9:58:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 mhw...Let me take that one step further. How many journalists, editors, and publishers, et al know people who labor for a living? How many of them know a truck diver or even the men who clean the bathrooms where they work?

Posted by Dragon Fly 2004-07-19 10:00:47 AM|| 2004-07-19 10:00:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 dragon fly

and I'll bet very few of them read Rantburg, or for that matter, any non-lefty outpost

Posted by mhw 2004-07-19 11:20:11 AM|| 2004-07-19 11:20:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 but in the case of both countries, most immigrants--except for the Mooslims--manage to assimilate Say what? If assimilation is so swell and wonderful in the USA, how come we need to print our ballots in 99 different languages?

Rex,

My father-in-law was taught exclusively in Polish until 6th grade, and still speaks to some of his very elderly relatives in that language; one of my best friends still translates everything into Greek when she takes her mother shopping.

Historically, it is the first U.S.-born generation that is fluent in English, and therefore capable of true assimilation.

Bilingual education has resulted in an entire generation of Spanish-speakers who are delayed a full generation in this process. I've read that ambitious Hispanic parents are demanding that their children be mainstreamed, rather than stuck in the bilingual education trap. Certainly my daughter's experience in her German preschool was about six months of painful and exhausting effort to understand, followed by fluency -- both in the local dialect and in the proper Hochdeutsch (high German) my Hildesheim-born mother demanded. This is, of course, not true of everybody. The less linguistically gifted French boy in her class never attained fluency, despite having been born there; but, he could make himself understood, and no doubt there will be those who find his accented German charming.

I suspect that most immigrants, regardless of initial motivation, come to the same conclusion as my father. He came over from Israel in the late 1950's for the education, and had absolutely no intention of staying more than a few years. But, he started an interesting research project, met my mother, and got American citizenship. When I announced that my husband was being transferred to Germany, Daddy's response was, "Why would you want to go over there? Don't you know that America is the best place in the world to live?" Daddy has happily paid two sets of taxes for half a century, and every year buys Israel Bonds that he can't cash out, as well. But he would never, ever move back. And, even after all these years, he still doesn't really understand why I chose to let my husband take that assignment.

Posted by trailing wife 2004-07-19 11:44:03 AM|| 2004-07-19 11:44:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Are they saying that whites should keep a quota on the races of their friends? Isn't that a racist thing to suggest?. Are they saying whites should go out of their way to meet non-whites? Someone is a little obsessed with the race question and it seems that is not the 90% of whites in the UK who answered this survey.

Posted by yank 2004-07-19 11:49:01 AM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-07-19 11:49:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Excellent points #24 and #25...friendships come about due to common socioeconomic levels or common interests or common occupations or common religious affiliations.

What goody2shoesmoron organizes his precious few hours of leisure time he has left after business and family committments are fulfilled with the express purpose of making his circle of friends resemble the UN?

The obvious fact of the matter is that each successive wave of immigrants always has them at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder because the limitations of salary will determine where you live and what $ is left over to spend on "frivolous" leisure activities. At the turn of the century the immigrants to the UK were mainly white because they were from other Europeon countries. These white skinned immigrants had no money or free time to hobnob with the established Brits.

But Tony Blair and his social engineers in the Labor Party and the "diverse" Guardian reporters were not around then to fret about the lack of friendships that existed between white immigrants and white established Brits.

Speed forward 100 years and although the immigrants are now from Third World countries and are black or yellow or brown skinned and are Muslim or Hindu, the same social pecking order still exists with immigrants at the bottom. However now the gov't and media talking heads are shocked and ashamed to learn that the 6th generation white skinned Anglican architect is not friends with the Muslim Somalian immigrant who is cleaning laterines at the train station. This is most worrisome to the Commision on Racial Equality because after all, 40 years ago the UK was declared a multicultural nation and with that proclamation all socioeconomic pecking orders in society should have been vanquished.

I tell you Bulldog and Howard, you need some common sense politicians back in gov't or the UK, as we know it, is going to go the way of the dodo bird. In fact, the USA is not far behind the UK in terms of do-gooder social engineers extinguishing the proud heritage of this country. It started gradually with George Bush Senior, an East Coast liberal Republican, went into high gear nuttiness with 8 years of Billy Jeff, and is now poised to do a dodo bird suicide with Kerry/Edwards winning the WH in November. If those 2 social scientists win, the US will have Congressional commissions appointed to study the state of inter-racial friendships, or why Muslim terrorists are not mainstreamed into public schools, or what percentage of bullies come from impoverished illegal alien classes of society. The left is good at crunching useless numbers and statistics and then using them to destroy a nation.

Posted by rex 2004-07-19 11:49:16 AM|| 2004-07-19 11:49:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 rex, where to jump in with all that?
You're sounding a little too close to the John Birch Society.
What makes America great isn't just "white males" but being a nation of immigrants of all kinds.
While the Left tries to water down and destroy our capitalist, democratic republic, they're not being all that successful changing our (Judeo-Christian) values.
Two big examples that come to mind are the rejection of gay marriage by large numbers of the African-American community and the rejection of "on demand" abortion by Hispanics.
Belief in God, home and family, respect for the individual and for individual rights--that's what makes us great.
(And I wouldn't presume to tell the Brits what they should do, as their system is so different from ours--it's a constitutional monarchy, but their constitution is apparently a work in progress.)
The best thing that seems to have happened in Britain recently is the rise of a real middle class, whereas before it consisted of just a lower and upper class.
Much of their "colored" population are the sons and daughters and grandsons and granddaughters of immigrants who, for all intents and purposes, are as British as any other natives.
Like the descendants of immigrants to America, they're living a far better life than they ever would in their country of birth and in turn, they enrich our cultures, too.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 12:06:02 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 12:06:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 You're sounding a little too close to the John Birch Society. What makes America great isn't just "white males" but being a nation of immigrants of all kinds.
And you're sounding too hormonal and insulting, Jen, as usual. Where do you get the idea that I'm racist and chauvinist? Do you read anything anyone posts? It seems like you have a pre-set assumption about every poster on Rantburg and then you react with insults instead of staying on topic and carrying thru with sequential thought.

What I said and what I substantiated with quotes from immigration scholars I might add[unlike you who throws out the same old, same old re-gurgitated everything is wonderful and perfect under GWB whether it's on topic or not]about immigration was that the melting pot assimilation model is no longer true in the USA and instead that separation, diversity, and multicultural mosaic is "in" which leads to Balkanization of various ethnic and racial and religious groups in society.

And no, Jen, much as you would like the Brit posters to think that Muslim immigrants represent the evil immigrant problem in America and that Mexicans are assimilating just like the Poles and Italians and Germans at the turn of the century did, you are wrong. Get it? You are wrong. And calling me a racist John Bircher does not make you right.

Posted by rex 2004-07-19 12:33:40 PM|| 2004-07-19 12:33:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Gee, guess I wouldn't know anything about immigrants and asssimilation living in Texas, huh?
One of my ancestors was murdered by Mexican soldiers at Goliad in 1836 when Texas fought for its sovereignity.
As Dotcom would say, FOAD/HAND!

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 12:36:56 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 12:36:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Whatever, Jen. No doubt your ancestor's tragic death as well as spending your childhood in Texas has given you alot of superior knowledge about immigration patterns in America that immigration scholars doing research on the subject cannot match.

Clearly this discussion thread has disintegrated to odd ball ranting and sharing of irrelevant personal minutiae, so I'm bogging off to another discussion thread.

Posted by rex 2004-07-19 12:56:56 PM|| 2004-07-19 12:56:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 I'm shocked !!!!! only 10% of minorities have white friends!!!! Thats appalling!!!

Posted by Anonymous5740 2004-07-19 1:07:07 PM|| 2004-07-19 1:07:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Still winning friends and influencing people, eh, Jen?

Posted by Raj 2004-07-19 1:07:43 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2004-07-19 1:07:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Just using my freedom to express my "vain" and informed opinions here, just like you, Raj.
And that FOAD/HAND salutation goes for you, too.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 2:31:41 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 2:31:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 If assimilation is so swell and wonderful in the USA, how come we need to print our ballots in 99 different languages? How come in California we have bi-lingual education in our public schools? How come gov't departments in California offer a choice of Spanish or English as language options when you call them for information, though I don't recall ever reading that the USA was a bi-lingual country.

First, 99 languages on a ballot-is that true outside of CA? There is truth in the rest of what you say-we've got a nation of immigrants on permanent language crutches. For children under puberty, there is no reason they can't be mainstreamed with support after two years of intensive English. For high school students and older, it is a harder battle but should be considered part of the price for living in America.

Main point-We shouldn't be providing special services for any one ethnic group, and we shouldn't be shamed into having a fully-color-balanced palette of friends. Friends should be made on shared interests, trust, and love, not the color of skin.

Posted by jules 187 2004-07-19 2:37:33 PM|| 2004-07-19 2:37:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 going back to the main point of the article.... who gives a shit?

Posted by Anonymous5860 2004-07-19 2:59:48 PM|| 2004-07-19 2:59:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Funny, I don't seem to recall me calling your opinions 'vain', I believe I was instead criticizing the (to me) grandstanding, over the top method of delivery which you normally use to make your points.

I recall one incident a few months back where I actually gave a member of the Clinton administration the benefit of the doubt on some (I believe minor) point. You basically crashed a verbal wall on me that would have made the Taliban proud, much like you did here with that classy, dignified salutation of yours. If your style, such as it is, is typical of the way you interact with others who otherwise agree on a majority of points with you, then I will refrain from further posts in your general direction. Maybe it's part of your 'schtick' and it's confined to message boards and postings?

Clearly this discussion thread has disintegrated to odd ball ranting and sharing of irrelevant personal minutiae

Too right. So much for civil and well-reasoned discourse.

Posted by Raj 2004-07-19 3:03:57 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2004-07-19 3:03:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 5860 - my sentiment exactly. I could give a flying f*ck about their stupid survey.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-07-19 3:08:24 PM|| 2004-07-19 3:08:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 There is a substantive, civil and decidedly well-reasoned discourse on this article above between Bulldog, Howard UK and myself and we came to the consensus that the Guardian was trying to portray their own white Brits as "white suprematists"
due to recent hate crimes perpetrated on Muslims by members of the British National Party.

Posted by Jen 2004-07-19 3:10:04 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-19 3:10:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Aye.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-19 4:35:51 PM|| 2004-07-19 4:35:51 PM|| Front Page Top

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