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2004-06-25 Down Under

Muslim Prayer Hall Vandalized With Pig Parts

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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-06-25 7:36:02 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 oh dear, and just today a mosque in melbourne was attacked by arson.

still, more churches were attacked in australia post 9/11 than mosques, with arson being the most common vandalism.

while multiculturalism is prevalent in Australia and has some benefits, this community clearly DIDN'T want a mosque in the vicinity and shouldn't have been forced to have one against their will.

They have recognised that it will change the culture of their suburb and they don't want their culture changed!

The mosque builders are pushing ahead regardless of local cultural sensitivities so though this act is cowardly and pretty disgusting really, my sympathy is limited.

Posted by Anon1 2004-06-25 7:52:47 AM|| 2004-06-25 7:52:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Hmmm: Muslim graves vandalised in France

Posted by Dragon Fly 2004-06-25 8:05:07 AM|| 2004-06-25 8:05:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 They have recognised that it will change the culture of their suburb and they don't want their culture changed!

OK this is the work of thugs. That said, from UK experience as soon as there's a mosque there occurs a hijacking of the local culture - no adverts in Bradford for women's underwear/women's hygiene products; no famous statue of a pig in Derby. Crazy demands about school uniform etc.. Muslims cannot be bothered to learn to live with others, it is us who have to adjust to them.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-06-25 8:26:29 AM|| 2004-06-25 8:26:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 *fumbles in pocket* Dang, where's that sympathy? I swear I just had it here a second ago.

Posted by BH 2004-06-25 10:44:12 AM|| 2004-06-25 10:44:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 mmmm, pork

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-25 10:50:27 AM|| 2004-06-25 10:50:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 this community clearly DIDN'T want a mosque in the vicinity and shouldn't have been forced to have one against their will.

and if a community doesnt want a new shopping center thats going up legally, in accordance with zoning regs, they should have the right to vandalize it? You may support earthfirst radicalism, but I do not. Private property rights are part of liberal democracy, and should be respected. Christians shouldnt be able to keep a mosque out of their neighborhood, nor should muslims keep a synagogue or church out of theirs, nor should jews keep a mosque or church out of theirs (or even a jews for jesus "synagogue") nor should christians keep a synagogue out of theirs.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 10:57:35 AM|| 2004-06-25 10:57:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 ima agree with lh. and why are peples always need kill pigs show they hate. >:(

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 11:08:44 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 11:08:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Where is one likely to hear inflammatory sermons and/or incitement? A church, synagogue, or a mosque?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-25 11:11:29 AM|| 2004-06-25 11:11:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 from the media. let go vanalise cnn.

hey my post on ban on jewish bullets for combat is disapear. :(

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 11:17:11 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 11:17:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Private property rights are part of liberal democracy, and should be respected.

Like underwear ads, bars, and pig statues? There's a double standard in place here. Whenever these people complain about something that is perfectly legal but they don't like, everyone takes great pains to defer to their sensitivities. Maybe it's just fear, but people tend to give them a lot of latitude in changing their new environment to conform to their wishes. What you say is completely correct, but it's a two way street. And until they start realizing this, I don't have a problem with strong-arm tactics. Give them a choice - either we all play by our rules, or we all play by your rules. But don't give them special treatment.

Posted by BH 2004-06-25 11:19:21 AM|| 2004-06-25 11:19:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 ima say let them haver they mosks and put more panty ads up. that make evryone happy. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 11:22:57 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 11:22:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Like underwear ads, bars, and pig statues?

precisely.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 11:25:25 AM|| 2004-06-25 11:25:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 A church, synagogue, or a mosque?

if theres incitement to violence ANYWHERE, prosecute that (if your laws allow you to).

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 11:26:27 AM|| 2004-06-25 11:26:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 LH-Private property rights are part of liberal democracy, and should be respected.

BH-Like underwear ads, bars, and pig statues?

LH-Precisely

Liberalhawk, sorry, can I ask for a clarification? What are you saying precisely to?

That citizens should also have a right TO adverts in Bradford for women's underwear/women's hygiene products; TO a famous statue of a pig in Derby? So why were those things in Bradford and Derby removed? Could it be one group was allowed to socially press another? Why does one group have to buckle in the face of the PC police and the other doesn't?

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-25 12:35:10 PM|| 2004-06-25 12:35:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 (The Luftwaffe removed the pig statue - we're hesitating about putting it back up). They'll be having to rename pubs next - can we still have 'The Saracen's Head' or 'Ye Olde Trippe To Jerusalem?'I meant to say fundo-muslims - know some perfectly sane ones believe it or not. Vandalism's always bad.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-06-25 12:45:21 PM|| 2004-06-25 12:45:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 jules those peples wrong for remove panty ads but ima thinking they do it legal ways. vandalise and pig sacrafices not legal means.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 12:54:01 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 12:54:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 ima think what ima try say is ends isnt justafy mean.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 12:58:19 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 12:58:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 i really do not support vandalism - especially agaisnt religious sites..but how much can the west take? we are supposed to accept the religious faiths of others - but muslims do not accept christians, jews, buddahist in their midst? churches are attacked across the muslim world without a word of regret - but when a mosque is attacked it's the crusades all over again...

Posted by Dan 2004-06-25 1:00:45 PM|| 2004-06-25 1:00:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Muck4doo-I can't imagine any legal justification for pig blood smearing on holy sites or vandalism either. On the other hand, I'm not surprised when a native people reacts angrily to an immigrant people who are attempting to force their neurotic religious norms on the native populace. If the Muslims have that big a neurosis about pigs or women's body parts, they'd be better off visiting a psychiatrist, not their local legislators.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-25 1:08:47 PM|| 2004-06-25 1:08:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 OK, folks. You want to know what pig blood can do to the world? Well it will raise bloody hell, even in a Christian country, like Germany. How about a 9000 gallon pig blood spill on the Autobahn? Check the story out here.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-25 1:14:34 PM|| 2004-06-25 1:14:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 well then peples are have to stop letting them make changes but ima thinking destroying they mosks and churches aint going do it. do it stop religion any where that method is been operated.

paul ima cover that story my blog awhile back. ima still wondering what they doing that much blood.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 1:22:17 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 1:22:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 j - precisely - its illegal and wrong to vandalize underwear ads, pig statues, etc.
Why were they removed - I dont know, didnt really follow those. Howard says something about the pig, though.
Dan - when churches are attacked that an outrage. Its also a violation of property rights, of the kind that keeps those lands poor and backward. We DONT wont to become like THAT.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 1:25:21 PM|| 2004-06-25 1:25:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 its illegal and wrong to vandalize underwear ads, pig statues, etc.
Why were they removed - I dont know, didnt really follow those.

Precisely my point. Nobody follows the stories about Muslims making demands on non-believers to not offend their oh-so-delicate sensibilities. Nobody notices the mafia tactics of an imam who says, "This will cause unrest in our community... hint, hint", or pays attention to stories of harassment of little girls who don't wear scarves on their heads. But as soon as anyone so much as raises the question of whether certain aspects of Islamic culture are detrimental to the health of a community, all of a sudden it's "those horrible, racist Western xenophobes! Why are they soo hateful!"

That's the double standard I'm talking about. Some dumbsh*t in Italy got all the crucifixes taken out of the schools in one city. In Italy! Yet, all the newspapers fixated on was France's intolerant decision to ban hijabs. Who are the intolerant ones here?

We can agree that it is illegal and wrong to vandalize private property, but while one side insists on engaging in such activities on an ongoing basis, I won't even consider criticizing those who respond in kind.

Posted by BH 2004-06-25 2:23:53 PM|| 2004-06-25 2:23:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Vandalism is against the law and whether it's against a mosque, a school, or Uncle Jim's Chevy...it should be prosecuted. End of story.

However, I would resent any so called "hate laws" being applied to this vandalism, but this being Sydney no doubt there are "hate laws" in place, and this will get far more prosecutorial attention than it should.

I suspect the reason that this Muslim prayer hall was selected for vandalism is because of the failings of "liberal democracy" ie. government is perceived by the majority to have protected the rights of special, private groups too rigorously in the past at the expense of the common good.

LH, btw, it's not clear that "liberal democracies" will survive the long haul, so I would not be too smug if I were you: We DONT wont to become like THAT

Posted by rex 2004-06-25 2:36:22 PM|| 2004-06-25 2:36:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 I *do* pledge allegiance to my country and its laws, BUT...

I've seen so much pc-crap that has tipped the scales in favor of the Islamic horde in instance after instance after instance.

As a result, although I won't *personally* be desecrating any Islamic property, I also have no plans of protesting against those that do.

Were the scales of justice ever to re-balance themselves, I would have to re-consider my position on this issue. But not until then!

Posted by Crusader 2004-06-25 3:37:50 PM|| 2004-06-25 3:37:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 I agree with BH: " soon as anyone so much as raises the question of whether certain aspects of Islamic culture are detrimental to the health of a community, all of a sudden it's "those horrible, racist Western xenophobes! "

One of the weapons the Islamics will use against the West is their emotionality. They scream and get upset and Westerners are taken aback, believe their (culture-bound) nonsense and capitulate. "Why, no one would act that uncivilized if there weren't a legitimate point being made. Guess we better rethink our position and give them what they want." The Islamics laugh all the way to the bank ( or the jihad).

I wonder if LH believes that all non-Jews have the ready potential to turn on the Jews, and will, if the idea of tolerance isn't "sold" to everyone, and held to at all times. I have seen this adherence to "tolerance at all costs," to be very popular among the WWII survior Jews and the generation that followed. "If everyone will just get along, the Jews will be safe."

Don't think that holds with many native Israelis.

Wake up LH. Preach what you will, but keep your wits about you. The more the Islamics are able to convince goy society of their legitimacy, the closer the Jews are to danger. Just a thought.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-06-25 5:07:30 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:07:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Precisely my point. Nobody follows the stories about Muslims making demands on non-believers to not offend their oh-so-delicate sensibilities

BH - youll note i didnt post the original here. I wouldnt have had anything to say, if someone hadnt seemed to justify the vandalism. When i see someone justify vandalism the other way, believe you me, i'll be just as hard on them.

rex - i think liberal democracies are the wave of the future, and the "end of history" (which I think makes me almost Reaganite, but if you want to call me liberal for that, ok) but lets not take this off topic for that.

EL - the Jews are ALWAYS in danger in my book. Id like to think thatI would believe in the ideas of Jefferson and Madison whether or not I was Jewish. If you want to join with the multiculties who insist that identity drives belief, you are free to.

I dont beleive that uncivilized acts mean theres a point being made. They dont. But I dont have to act uncivilized myself.

Crusader -are you in the UK? Thats where there has been talk of Islamist unpunished Islamist vandalism. I dont know of any here in the US.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 5:27:28 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:27:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 I wonder if LH believes that all non-Jews have the ready potential to turn on the Jews, and will, if the idea of tolerance isn't "sold" to everyone, and held to at all times.

I don't know about LH, but BH's Law states that any sufficiently large group of people is exactly one beer away from becoming a riot. For this reason, I am truly thankful that the ROPpers eschew the use of alcohol.

Posted by BH 2004-06-25 5:29:51 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:29:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 I've seen so much pc-crap that has tipped the scales in favor of the Islamic horde in instance after instance after instance.

how do you know the south asian muslims at this mosque support vandalism of underwear ads, etc? How do you know they arent refugees from Islamism, looking to better themselves?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 5:29:55 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:29:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#30
Don't think that holds with many native Israelis.

Israelis are a diverse bunch. Some are as "rightwing" as any body you find on RB. Some are more "liberal" than I am ALOT more. Many are somewhere in between. I know plenty of Israelis, and can report from experience.

And, for your information, there are plenty of American Jews, including Holocaust survivors, who are alot more "right wing" than I am.

But if you like to judge people by categories, Israelis, jews, muslims etc well youre certainly an EX-liberal. Though in this case i use liberal in its broadest sense, one who judges others as individuals, a sense that includes Dubya and Ronald Reagan as well.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 5:34:04 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:34:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 BH's Law states that any sufficiently large group of people is exactly one beer away from becoming a riot

this i can agree with, and sounds much more in line with the Conservative intellectual tradition (mistrust of mobs) than all this apologia for vandalism and lawbreaking, which sounds less conservative, than something id rather not bring up here.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 5:37:28 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:37:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Whenever these people complain about something that is perfectly legal but they don't like, everyone takes great pains to defer to their sensitivities

any example NOT from the UK?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 5:38:42 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:38:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Driver's License photos with Burkas on?

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-25 5:43:29 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:43:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 #32: Its somewhat the inverse, but it illustrates the same point: The "call to prayer" 5 times a day in Michigan--where LOTS of the surrounding folks protested vehomently, yet the council approved the call anyway.

Posted by Crusader 2004-06-25 5:56:04 PM|| 2004-06-25 5:56:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 frank that child beater lady is went to court on that but ima think she is lose.

crusader ima think you right on that example but ima think culd it be any louder than church bells? actualy ima think it wuld be sweet to try that sometimes but ima not know arabian singing. maybe they are let me yodel it instead.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 6:34:00 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 6:34:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Mucky, if you plan to yodel, let us know. I, for one, would love to hear that!

Posted by cingold 2004-06-25 6:35:41 PM|| 2004-06-25 6:35:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 You know, the people who are upset about this didn't seem to care when a bunch of Palestinian thugs decided it was their right to crap in the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. It's seems it's only a hate crime if it's inflcted on nonChristians. Well, too fucking bad. What goes around comes around.

For that matter, the story in the sidebar of this article was more interesting. This paper is still hung up on the Crusades, quoting at length from a French book, Histoire anonyme de la premiere croisade (Anonymous history of the First Crusade) about the sack of Jerusalem. Not quite sure what the point of it is unless it is to show how Christians have always picked on poor defenseless muslims.

Posted by RWV 2004-06-25 11:38:43 PM|| 2004-06-25 11:38:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 --Some dumbsh*t in Italy got all the crucifixes taken out of the schools in one city. In Italy!--

Which was overturned. The judge said it's Italy, this is part of what we are.

Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-06-26 12:23:23 AM|| 2004-06-26 12:23:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 Me thinks Crusader wins this thread.

Posted by Lucky 2004-06-26 12:28:20 AM|| 2004-06-26 12:28:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#40 See Crusader's take -- my personal distaste with the vandalism, I admit, actually takes a backseat to my more prioritized distaste with Muslim aggression (see UK, Michigan, etc). I won't participate, but I won't complain, even if it's our society's dregs, as long as it aims at a certain goal ...

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-06-26 10:01:22 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-06-26 10:01:22 AM|| Front Page Top

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