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2004-06-19 Iraq-Jordan
Falluja house blast kills 20 Iraqis
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Posted by Lux 2004-06-19 07:58|| || Front Page|| [11142 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 On Beeb. 16- 20 dead. From pics it looks like a massive strike. Lots of speculation about who they were after.... yadda yadda yadda.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-06-19 8:05:52 AM||   2004-06-19 8:05:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I regret any innocent life lost -- and am extremely excited by the prospect of the target here. This is such a departure from the recent norm that it would seem a big fish had to be in the sights. The refusal of any comment by the US side only adds to this impression.

Meanwhile, the local police official quoted has it precisely backwards, and perfectly typifies the standard b.s. approach to this in the MidEast (is there a briefing every one in the region receives? it sounds like they're all reading from the same script). "This picture speaks for itself." Absolutely untrue -- without knowing who was targeted and killed, the picture tells us nothing. This was also another nice chance for the press to repeat it's favorite Fallujah lie about civilian casualties. I notice they've stopped using numbers, and now opted for the squirrelly "many civilians" line. Imagine the baseline for debate in the west if the press applied 1/100 the skepticism to the non-credible self-interested claims of slimy individuals and bad causes in Iraq as it does to the most innocuous and obviously true statement by the US.
Posted by Verlaine 2004-06-19 8:59:46 AM||   2004-06-19 8:59:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Work accident.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-19 9:22:14 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-06-19 9:22:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 from ABC:
(AP) A U.S. military plane fired missiles Saturday into a residential neighborhood in Fallujah, killing at least 20 and leveling houses in the restive Sunni Muslim city, residents and hospital officials said. The U.S. military declined comment.
"We saw a spy plane hovering at 9 a.m.," said Ahmed Salih, a taxi driver. "At 9:30, it struck two houses and at 9:35 it fired another missile."

so, possibly a UAV with hellfires? Bear in mind, AP photo is showing weeping 'Fallujah' women with Sadr posters, signs (WTF?)
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 9:46:05 AM||   2004-06-19 9:46:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Frank, they say that shit no matter what. Remember the Baghdad mosque that blew up during the bomb-making training class?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-19 9:51:11 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-06-19 9:51:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "We saw a spy plane hovering at 9 a.m."

To paraphrase John Wayne - if you saw it, it wasn't a spy plane.
Posted by Doc8404 2004-06-19 10:04:22 AM||   2004-06-19 10:04:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Another Bedouin 'wedding' party?
Posted by GK 2004-06-19 10:13:17 AM||   2004-06-19 10:13:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Hellfire or Work Accident - I'm happy with either. I just noted that Shiite Sadr posters were supposedly up in Sunni Fallujah, which leads me to believe AP published stock photos that had absolutely nothing to do with the story..why am I not surprised?
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 10:19:05 AM||   2004-06-19 10:19:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Robert & Frank: Ya' beat me to it! Y'all are up awfully early this Saturday morning. :-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-06-19 10:41:14 AM||   2004-06-19 10:41:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Could secondary explosions have caused some of this damage? From the, ah, pool chemicals in the basement?
Posted by Laurence of the Rats  2004-06-19 10:44:06 AM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/]  2004-06-19 10:44:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Barbara - Cat woke me up...damn, on a Saturday!
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 10:55:44 AM||   2004-06-19 10:55:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 LGF - caught a story that it was a Zarqawi safe house
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 11:17:54 AM||   2004-06-19 11:17:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Well, isn't that special. Our military responds to all the stories abut Abu Ghraib and immediately embarks of a program to improve treatment of prisoners.

Way to go!
Posted by badanov  2004-06-19 11:27:49 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-06-19 11:27:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 (monty burns)

Exxccceellleenntt

(/monty burns)
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 11:50:10 AM||   2004-06-19 11:50:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 local BBC chief: "Quick, dispatch all available camera crews to the nearest hospital and start filming babies and old people in bloody bandages."
Posted by Anonymous5286 2004-06-19 12:11:03 PM||   2004-06-19 12:11:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-06-19 12:48:41 PM||   2004-06-19 12:48:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 he exists...he just doesn't like you
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 12:50:40 PM||   2004-06-19 12:50:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Antiwar - shouldn't you be busy reading something so that you can come back and tell us how many books you've read lately?
Posted by B 2004-06-19 1:04:38 PM||   2004-06-19 1:04:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Antiwar:

God will definately forgive those who are moved to defend their country and their countrymen in time of war.

What God doesn't forgive is those who do not.
Posted by badanov  2004-06-19 1:24:11 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-06-19 1:24:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Carefull,Anti,God doesn't suffer fools lightly.
Posted by Raptor 2004-06-19 1:32:19 PM||   2004-06-19 1:32:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-06-19 1:43:00 PM||   2004-06-19 1:43:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Go away anti the adults are busy.
rednecks don't suffer fools either.
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-06-19 2:11:40 PM||   2004-06-19 2:11:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Antiwar, do you define the US's presence as "illegal occupation"? Should we simply have let Saddam continue torturing and starving his people to death? Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-19 2:13:19 PM||   2004-06-19 2:13:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 How to clean up splattered terrorists guts from in and around building that was blown to bits by a Hellfire.
1) Grab stick 2) Grab Snow shovel 3) Hand them to the people that support these assholes, tell them to get to work!! And don't forget to scrape there goooy guts off the walls.
Then again, they could just leave it for the dogs gobble up.

Posted by Long Hair Republican  2004-06-19 2:14:18 PM||   2004-06-19 2:14:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Please people, if you tap on the glass the monkey will throw shit at you.
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-06-19 2:14:50 PM||   2004-06-19 2:14:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Badanov does that include the Iraqis who defend their country against illegal occupation???

It might interest you to know that one of the oldest laws of real property is the law of conquest. In sum: we kicked their ass, therefore Iraq is ours to do with as we please, hence no occupation can be deemed illegal.
Posted by AzCat 2004-06-19 3:22:52 PM||   2004-06-19 3:22:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Please people, if you tap on the glass the monkey will throw shit at you.

One slight problem: it won't stick.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-19 3:37:17 PM||   2004-06-19 3:37:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Antisemite--

Remember three weeks ago when you were still claiming to be Catholic?

Better not tell your jihadi boyfriend that you may not believe in God.
Posted by BMN 2004-06-19 3:54:23 PM||   2004-06-19 3:54:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Antiwar -- Read this and tell me the US did the wrong thing.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-19 4:21:01 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-06-19 4:21:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Don't waste your time, Robert - mere torture by a moslem dictator won't bother her/him/it. She probably gets excited watching the tapes.

Anti-brains: You're using up my oxygen.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-06-19 4:26:13 PM||   2004-06-19 4:26:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Better not tell Jihadi Daddy about boyfriend. Wouldn't want JD to uphold the family honor.
Posted by ed 2004-06-19 4:30:12 PM||   2004-06-19 4:30:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 #23 Antiwar, do you define the US's presence as "illegal occupation"? Should we simply have let Saddam continue torturing and starving his people to death? Inquiring minds want to know.

Thank you, Doctor. You beat me to it. This one reason alone justified America's intercession. I only wish another country would step up to the plate in Sudan right now.
Posted by Zenster 2004-06-19 4:56:27 PM||   2004-06-19 4:56:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Good, another terrorist filled wedding party?
Posted by Capt America  2004-06-19 5:22:41 PM|| [http://captamerica.blogspot.com/]  2004-06-19 5:22:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 People: read up.

Most of the damage was done by SECONDARY explosions.

Whatever was in that house, it had far more explosive power than what was dropped on the house.

That ought to clue you in as to the target.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-06-19 6:40:23 PM||   2004-06-19 6:40:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 well, OS...maybe they were planning a wedding party? ;-)
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 6:43:03 PM||   2004-06-19 6:43:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Good one, Frank. :-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-06-19 7:14:11 PM||   2004-06-19 7:14:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Hi AntiWar people here mean to mean too. We need to form a solid union of anger against everything this blog stands for except for north carolina barbeque heath care, stand firm against memphis deviationists.
Posted by Junifer 2004-06-19 7:52:19 PM||   2004-06-19 7:52:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 I assume English is not your first (or second) language, "Junifer"?

We need to form a solid union of anger
Don't trouble yourselves; just slink on over to the Democratic Underground. You'll find plenty of soulmates (or solemates, in your case) there.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-06-19 8:03:23 PM||   2004-06-19 8:03:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Okay Junifer, you've just crossed the line from trolling...to plain ass weird.
Posted by Valentine 2004-06-19 8:04:37 PM||   2004-06-19 8:04:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 we once had decipherable trolls , then just inarticulate assholes, now it's descended to this: Junifer, DBT, Nony, Antibrain, Gentle, NMM...what a weak effort by the future Darwin projects to disrupt this blog... *shakes head in disgust*
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-19 9:13:14 PM||   2004-06-19 9:13:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Yep, the good old days of the internet when it was still freshly sprung from the mind of Al Gore. We had real trolls then. :)
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-06-19 10:49:34 PM||   2004-06-19 10:49:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Junebug,I thought all you touchy-feely types didn't get angry.
Myself I prefer rage,not the hot,irrational kind,But the cold calculating kind.
Posted by Anonymous5295 2004-06-20 7:29:01 AM||   2004-06-20 7:29:01 AM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar 2004-06-19 12:48:41 PM||   2004-06-19 12:48:41 PM|| Front Page Top

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