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Posted by Steve White 2004-06-13 12:19:16 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Steve - both.

Posted by PBMcL 2004-06-13 12:42:21 AM|| 2004-06-13 12:42:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 from the site. : FaithfulAmerica.org is a project of the National Council of Churches with support from TrueMajority and Res Publica.

The NCC needs no introduction. They are a church-supported leftist group.

from the truemajority.org site:

# 12 in their FAQ:

That is why we work to create a peaceful, just, and sustainable nation...

The term 'sustainable' is the newest leftist-green byword for Marxian economic policies. You will find this term used in many, many other liberal/leftist websites.

I would say that faithfulamerica.org has chosen sides, and it isn't the USA's.

Posted by badanov 2004-06-13 1:06:35 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-06-13 1:06:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 In a recent WaPo article, it was stated that FaithfulAmerica.org patterns itself after MoveOn.org.

Sounds like prayers answered by George Soros.

Posted by Capt America 2004-06-13 1:33:19 AM|| 2004-06-13 1:33:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 "Sustainable" is a euphemism for subsistence.

Definitely a Fifth-column group.

I read on AndrewSullivan.com where Sullivan claimed that 80% (!!!) of the creeps in Abu Grabass were INNOCENT. Sullivan is on our side! If he seriously thinks that 80% are innocent then these "faith" morons will soon claim that every single felon, murderer, rapist, and terrorist in there was innocent.

Ay Carrumba, somedays I think we are all well and truly screwed as an ongoing concern.

My apologies to my descendents. We couldn't keep it together!

Posted by JDB 2004-06-13 3:39:33 AM|| 2004-06-13 3:39:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 JDB, I wouldn't be so sure that Andrew Sullivan is on "our side."
He used to say that he was "for Bush" until President Bush came out (heheh!) for the Defense of Marriage Amendment which offends Andrew's proud gayness.
I think he's making excuses for himself politically.
Once the disease of Liberalism gets you, it's very hard to recover
(viz. Christopher Hitchens latest Leftie explosion about President Reagan this week after he'd been claiming to be "pro-Bush" after 9/11.)

Posted by Jen 2004-06-13 5:27:43 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-06-13 5:27:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 He used to say that he was "for Bush" until President Bush came out (heheh!) for the Defense of Marriage Amendment which offends Andrew's proud gayness.

I don't see how it's wrong to support a politician until he does something that offends you or that you otherwise believe to be wrong.

If he seriously thinks that 80% are innocent then these "faith" morons will soon claim that every single felon, murderer, rapist, and terrorist in there was innocent

Why not let them claim it first before you object to them for what you simply *guess* they'll soon be saying?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-13 9:05:21 AM|| 2004-06-13 9:05:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Why not let them claim it first before you object to them...

Umm, Aris, this is a Christian organisation. Since you don't like the Church, why are your Calvins in a knot?

Posted by Rafael 2004-06-13 9:16:55 AM|| 2004-06-13 9:16:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Kerry doesn't support the DMA either. For reasons unclear, homosexuals give him a pass on this. My guess is that it is because they know that nothing Kerry says has any weight, but when Bush says it, he means it. So even though Kerry has offered ZERO support to the DMA - HS's don't flip out over it because they feel they can flop him later.

Posted by B 2004-06-13 9:31:44 AM|| 2004-06-13 9:31:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Jen, did you read the last paragraph of Hitchen's column? After giving a screed about how he had believed Ronnie as less then a hedgehog, I thought his actual point was....this Less-Than-A-Hedgehog ended the cold war..yet his liberal friends would still have gladed voted for Ronnie's opponents.... thus....Hitchens was now asking himself ..... what is it about liberals that they need to make themselves feel bigger by claiming to be bigger than a world leader, no matter what the human cost?

At least that's how I read it.

Posted by B 2004-06-13 9:40:02 AM|| 2004-06-13 9:40:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Ay Carrumba, somedays I think we are all well and truly screwed as an ongoing concern. My apologies to my descendents. We couldn't keep it together!

What all due respect: who the f*ck cares about Sullivan? I quit reading instapundit over his support of homosexuality, and I have never read Sullivan.

Sullivan is behaving like a lot of liberals who have been supporting Bush since 911. And like liberals, the are beginning to think that maybe 3,000 dead Americans isn't such a big deal after all, so support for Bush is eroding slowly amoungst those on the left. But none of this is enough get upset over. I didn't think this ideological truce would last very long, and so it hasn't. Libs like Sullivan losing their religion (and their cajones) is not a surprise.

Once the disease of Liberalism gets you, it's very hard to recover

You are reading the words of a recovering real, live socialist. Twelve years into my recovery; never been happier with my choice.

Why not let them claim it first before you object to them for what you simply *guess* they'll soon be saying?

Another deception: the left would like us to believe the people in Abu Ghraib are there because they robbed a liquor store, or they were caught burlarizing a business.

Wrong.

The people in that prison were murdering thugs. The only thing truly bad that happened to them is happening to them now: they are still using up my oxygen.

Posted by badanov 2004-06-13 10:14:37 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-06-13 10:14:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Umm, Aris, this is a Christian organisation. Since you don't like the Church, why are your Calvins in a knot?

Because I'm not a hypocrite.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-13 11:08:25 AM|| 2004-06-13 11:08:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 B> The way I understand it the "Defense of Marriage Amendment" is what gay-rights supporters DON'T want to see passed, because it'd be the amendment that'd define marriage as being strictly between a man and a woman.

So, um, I think you've got to turn all your negatives into positives and vice-versa in that post before.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-13 11:12:56 AM|| 2004-06-13 11:12:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#13
Because I'm not a hypocrite.

Yes you are. You just can't see it.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-13 11:48:05 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-06-13 11:48:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Yes you are.

Examples?

You just can't see it.

You optician, you.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-13 12:03:09 PM|| 2004-06-13 12:03:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I see, Aris, that you're the perfect man, completely lacking in the inconsistencies that others would call hypocrisy. Pardon me, oh ubermensch, for daring to consider you might be a mortal like the rest of us.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-13 12:08:58 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-06-13 12:08:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Aris..I'm sorry that you were too stupid to realize it was basically a typo. When I want to be sure YOU understand a point, I'll take the time to assure my thoughts won't so easily confuse you.

By the way Aris - don't bother to respond to me. I'm not interested in your pretzel logic or desperate need to feel important by bestowing the bumbling Americans a does of your Eurowisdom.

I'd say just about every argument you ever get in could be summed up with the playground logic of "I'm rubber, you're glue, everything I say bounces off me and sticks to you". I'm sorry you never tired of that back in kindergarten, but I did.

I'll admit that you occassionally make a good point now and then, but as they say, even a blind squirrel gets an acorn now and then. And besides, unlike you, I can note when you make a good point and simply acknowledge it without feeling a desperate need to discredit you just for the sake of feeling superior.

Posted by B 2004-06-13 12:54:46 PM|| 2004-06-13 12:54:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 just to assure you don't get hopelessly confused, "does" was a typo. It should have been "dose".

Posted by B 2004-06-13 12:56:25 PM|| 2004-06-13 12:56:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Robert> If your previous post meant to say "You are as much of a hypocrite as every other human being in existence" then I thank you for that philosophical datapoint but I have to call it a particularly insignificant contribution.

So, I'll rephrase my question. Any specific examples to show me as *much* of a hypocrite as I would have to be for Rafael's opinion of me to be accurate?

B> I have to say that I find it difficult to understand how "Kerry offered ZERO support for the DMA" is basically a typo. You meant it to be "offered ZERO opposition" or something? And then you "typoed" again in the first sentence.

And "don't bother to respond to me" doesn't mean anything when made in a public forum other than "I want my post to be the last word on the subject".

And besides, unlike you, I can note when you make a good point

Really? When was the last time you did that? My memory may be failing me in this respect but I don't remember any time when you ever noted that.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-13 1:25:43 PM|| 2004-06-13 1:25:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I would say that faithfulamerica.org has chosen sides, and it isn't the USA's

badnov, good point.

Posted by B 2004-06-13 1:33:12 PM|| 2004-06-13 1:33:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Steve and all:

This group is definitely fifth column. Feisal Abdul-Rauf is a member of the Islamic Center of LI in Westbury, NY. His cohorts at the Islamic Center of LI are Faroque Khan, Chapter Pres. of ISNA and NY Chapter head of American Muslim Alliance, Ghazi Khankan, NY Chapter head of CAIR, Faiz Khan, Muslim Student Assoc., and Yahiya Emerick, publisher of Islamic anti-Christian, anti-Semitic textbooks and teacher at Crescent school, which is 835 Brushhollow Rd., Westbury, NY. Rauf is on record as making anti-Christian statements. Daily News - Larry Cohler-Esses did a story on the textbook issue in March 2003. Daniel Pipes has Emerick quoted expressing his desire for a caliphate in the U.S. Khankan recently circulated a petition to 150 mosques condemning the U.S. when one of the mosques was damaged by the coalition soldiers defending themselves from militants firing from within, (but was somehow strangely silent on the beheading and murder of American civilians.)

Posted by jawa 2004-06-13 10:40:53 PM|| 2004-06-13 10:40:53 PM|| Front Page Top

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