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2004-05-02 Afghanistan/South Asia
Pakistan neither knows nor cares where Binny is
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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-05-02 2:13:49 AM|| || Front Page|| [11139 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 â€œThe death of Muslims is sad, but rule of the law must prevail in the country,” said the Pakistani prime minister.

Now that's a surprise.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-05-02 2:28:30 AM||   2004-05-02 2:28:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 That probably means that next week it's going to leak out that they trained in Pakland and had phony Pak passports...
Posted by Fred  2004-05-02 2:34:31 AM||   2004-05-02 2:34:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Fred, you're back!
Hope you're feeling better and just taking the pain drugs for fun!
We missed you...bad.
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 2:41:24 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 2:41:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Thanks, Jen. I still feel pretty yucky, though. Not something I'd want to do again...
Posted by Fred  2004-05-02 3:04:23 AM||   2004-05-02 3:04:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Have you noticed? "the death of Muslims" is bad.

Racist bastards.
Posted by JFM  2004-05-02 5:55:31 AM||   2004-05-02 5:55:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 FFM, not sure if it's actually apppropriate to call them "racist bastards". Perhaps religionist bastards. I prefer memeticist bastards.

Hope you're feeling back to normal soon, Fred.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-05-02 6:25:43 AM||   2004-05-02 6:25:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Oops: JFM!
Posted by Bulldog  2004-05-02 6:26:53 AM||   2004-05-02 6:26:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm letting go of the pause button Fred.
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 7:52:12 AM||   2004-05-02 7:52:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Talk about a contradiction in terms!
Welcome home,Freddy me lad.
(Forgot to say that yesterday)
Posted by raptor 2004-05-02 8:32:23 AM||   2004-05-02 8:32:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Welcome back Fred. Hope you're recovering nicely.
Posted by GK 2004-05-02 8:59:20 AM||   2004-05-02 8:59:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Bulldog> Call them bigots, and we don't need to bother making distinctions without a real difference. Racists/chauvinists/fundies -- all of them are apples from the same tree.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-05-02 9:03:11 AM||   2004-05-02 9:03:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 "Racists/chauvinists/fundies -- all of them are apples from the same tree."
AK, are you trying to be funny?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 9:19:05 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 9:19:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 how about we just call them bastards?
Posted by smokeysinse 2004-05-02 10:26:14 AM||   2004-05-02 10:26:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Jen> Um, no, no humour was intended. Just a modification of the old 'the apple won't fall far from the tree" expression. If there was a joke in there, I have myself missed it.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-05-02 10:35:53 AM||   2004-05-02 10:35:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Hi everyone, could you please read this article:

ISLAM & HARMING THE INNOCENT..!

As far as the issue of violence, intolerance, and aggression against innocent civilians is concerned, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:



No doubt, aggression against innocent people is a grave sin and a heinous crime, irrespective of the victim's religion, country, or race.
No one is permitted to commit such crime, for Allah, Most High, abhors aggression. Unlike Judaism, Islam does not hold a double-standard policy in safeguarding human rights.



Following, I would like to highlight some relevant Islamic principles based on the Glorious Qur'an and Sunnah:



1. Islam Forbids Aggression against Innocent People


Islam does not permit aggression against innocent people, whether the aggression is against life, property, or honor, and this ruling applies to everyone, regardless of post, status and prestige. In Islam, as the state’s subject is addressed with Islamic teachings, so is the ruler or caliph; he is not allowed to violate people's rights, lives, honor, property, etc.

In the Farewell Pilgrimage, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, declared the principle that people's lives, property, and honor are inviolable until the Day of Judgment. This ruling is not restricted to Muslims; rather, it includes non-Muslims who are not fighting Muslims. Even in case of war, Islam does not permit killing those who are not involved in fighting, such as women, children, the aged, and the monks who confine themselves to worship only.



This shouldn’t raise any wonder, for Islam is a religion that prohibits aggression even against animals. Ibn `Umar, may Allah be pleased with them both, quote the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, as saying: "A woman is qualified to enter (Hell) Fire because of a cat which she tied, neither giving it food nor setting it free to eat from the vermin of the earth." (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

If such is Islamic ruling concerning aggressive acts against animals, in fortiori, the punishment is bond to be severe when human being happens to be the victim of aggression, torture and terrorism.



2. Individual Responsibility


In Islam, every one is held accountable for his own acts, not others'. No one bears the consequences of others' faults, even his close relatives. This is the ultimate form of justice, clarified in the Glorious Qur'an, as Allah, Most High, says, "Or hath he not had news of what is in the books of Moses and Abraham who paid his debt: That no laden one shall bear another's load." (An-Najm: 36-38)



Therefore, it’s very disgusting to see some people – who are Muslims by name– launching aggression against innocent people and taking them as scapegoats for any disagreement they have with the state’s authority!! What is the crime of the common people then?! Murder is one of heinous crimes completely abhorred in Islam, to the extent that some Muslim scholars hold the opinion that the repentance of the murderer will not be accepted by Allah, Most High. In this context, we recall the Glorious Qur'anic verse that reads, "Whosoever killeth a human being for other than man slaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if be had killed all mankind…" (Al-Ma'idah: 32)



3. Ends Do not Justify Means


In Islam, the notion “End justifies the means” has no place at all. It is not allowed to attain good aims through evil means. By the same token, alms collected from unlawful avenues are not Halal (lawful). In this context, the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Surely, Allah is Good and never accepts but what is good."



Thereby, in Shariah, with all its sources– the Glorious Qur'an, the Sunnah, consensus of Muslim jurists– aggression and violation of human rights are completely forbidden.



Besides, it is the duty of the Muslim scholars to do their utmost to guide the perplexed people to the straight and upright path."



Also, we'd like to quote the following Fatwa issued by Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America:

The Islamic position as regards non-Muslims is that they should recognize Allah’s Oneness and Prophet Muhammad as Allah’s Final Prophet. They should accept Islam to live happily and successfully in this world and to be saved in the Hereafter. It is Muslims’ duty to give them this message clearly, but without any coercion or intolerance. If others accept this message it is good for them, but if they do not accept, Muslims should still treat them with kindness and gentleness and leave the final judgment to Allah.

In our enthusiasm for Da’wah, we should not be intolerant and aggressive towards others, but in our politeness and civility we should also not give up our mission and message. We should not be intimidated to become quiet and we should not feel shy to tell the truth.

We must know that Islam is Allah’s way to salvation. Islamic message is unique, authentic and divine. Islam is for the whole world and all people are invited to accept this message. It is our duty to convey this message in the most beautiful and effective manner. We should be the witnesses of Allah to the world by our words and our deeds to all human beings.

www.islamonline.com
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 10:47:29 AM||   2004-05-02 10:47:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Gentle, we've heard this lip service paid over and over to Islam being a "religion of peace" but no-one in the West is buying it.
Perhaps one or 2 voices preach peace, but the rest of the imams and clerics preach murderous jihad in Arabic to the faithful.
It's good to know that there are Muslim clerics who preach peace, but the War on Terror won't be won until they all do.
Until then, the fact remains that terror attacks are done by Muslim terrorists, most of whom actually take or claim credit for them "in the name of Allah."

As a Christian, I will pray for you to convert to Christianity.
As Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh to the Father but through me."
Under the Christian Faith, you as a woman will be treated equally with men.
Again from the Bible, "In Christ, there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, slave nor free."
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 10:54:28 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 10:54:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 by the way - learn how to condense, post once, post links, post articulate realistic arguments
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 10:56:51 AM||   2004-05-02 10:56:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 11:19:13 AM||   2004-05-02 11:19:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Antisemite--

Your specialty is believing propaganda sites.

You're right, they're not convincing.
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 11:29:57 AM||   2004-05-02 11:29:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Yeah, Anti-Sense, watching 3,000 of your civilian citizens get murdered on live TV in an hour and a half by radical Muslim terrorists will "mire one in prejudice."

Speaking of which, who's mired in prejudice--the American civilians (Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists and atheists) who were living peacefully together in a free society and who were slaughtered on 9/11 or those 19 Islamist jihadi hijackers from Islamofascist countries who murdered the "non-believers" who were residents of what they deem the "Great Satan?"
As Christ also said, "Remove the log from your own eye before you take out the splinter from your neighbor's."
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 11:33:09 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 11:33:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 11:43:34 AM||   2004-05-02 11:43:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Anti-Sense you bring a whole new meaning to the term 'racist'.
Posted by Phil B  2004-05-02 11:49:40 AM||   2004-05-02 11:49:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Antiwar,
Thanks for backing me up.
May I please ask you a question?
Why are the poeple here so prejudiced against Islam?
How do americans, in general, think?
Do they agree with the poeple here?
Please do answer.
Oh, and how come you believe me?
Do you know any muslims, or just about Islam?
Thanks for your time.
Frank: Sorry about pasting the link twice.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 11:54:14 AM||   2004-05-02 11:54:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Gentle, you are an idiot.
If you read this site regularly, you'd know that NO ONE here agrees with Antiwar.
She's not even American!
Do you want the Truth and want to hear how real Americans feel about Islamism or do you want some simpleton telling you what you want to hear about your religion of poison (i.e. Sunni Waahab)?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 11:58:22 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 11:58:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Odd ducks.
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 11:58:24 AM||   2004-05-02 11:58:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:03:02 PM||   2004-05-02 12:03:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Fuck you, Anti-Sense.
(I have a shelf-full of books about Islam and I can tell that the other posters here are equally knowledgeable, maybe more so. What Fred alone doesn't know about the Global War on IslamoFascism isn't worth knowing!)
Bite me, Antiwar! Hope you get some awful disease, too!
You're not American, but you're not Aussie, either.
I think you're Canadian.
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:06:44 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:06:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Thanks Anti-war.
P.S. I like your politness. I don't feel uncomfortable while reading your comments, like I do with some of the others.
Please don't let them get to you.
Thanks
P.P.S. I like your nickname too.
War is an ugly, horrible thing.
Keep going
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 12:10:13 PM||   2004-05-02 12:10:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Yeah, whatever, "Gentle."
Meanwhile, if there's another attack on the U.S. by Islamist terrorists, you'd better have your bomb shelter built in the UAE!
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:12:09 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:12:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:17:03 PM||   2004-05-02 12:17:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Jen, dear, why are you so angry?
Anti-war doesn't deserve this language.
I can't understand all this hatred. It isn't right.
You poeple have stopped seeing us as humans, you're demonizing us.
No woder your soldiers did what they did.
They have been tought to think of us as "THE ENEMY".
Well guess what?
We're humans too.
This isn't right Jen. It just isn't.
Have you ever watched Dark Angel?
They were brought up to believe that the outside world is BAD.
I think the same thing has happened to you.
I suggest you pay a visit to the Gulf.

P.S. Anti-war: I've been to Australia and it is very nice. Most of the poeple were nice too. There were a lot of asians though. I hadn't really expected that.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 12:17:30 PM||   2004-05-02 12:17:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 You are the Enemy.
You attacked us on 9/11/01--it was an act of war.
You demonized us first as the "Great Satan."
We are at war.
Get used to it.
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:20:01 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:20:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Gentle and anti-reason,
Be good little girls and have your mutual-admiration-fest/head-in-the-sand tea party somewhere else. The grownups are having a serious discussion.
Posted by docob 2004-05-02 12:22:35 PM||   2004-05-02 12:22:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:24:08 PM||   2004-05-02 12:24:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Why don't you 2 get a room?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:25:35 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:25:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Yes, and there would be quite a few more Asians there if pacifists like you would have been in charge during WWII. Oh, but that's right, war is always bad, no matter the reason.
Posted by docob 2004-05-02 12:27:34 PM||   2004-05-02 12:27:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 No Jen.
We did NOT bomb you on 9/11.
You might as well know that what muslims here believe is that that operation was set up by a group that framed Islam.
We, here, believe that the whole thing was a set up.
We do not believe in violence. We do not think that what happened was right.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 12:28:43 PM||   2004-05-02 12:28:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 the operative phrase from your comment is :

"we do not think"
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 12:29:28 PM||   2004-05-02 12:29:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Think what you like, honey, but build that shelter and pray to your moon good that there's not another attack on America by your Muslim "brothers" or we'll be using the entire Arabian peninsula to park our SUVS.
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:30:42 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:30:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 "You might as well know that what muslims here believe is that that operation was set up by a group that framed Islam. We, here, believe that the whole thing was a set up."

Ooooh, let me guess: Zionist conspirators?
Posted by Dave D.  2004-05-02 12:31:01 PM||   2004-05-02 12:31:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:31:10 PM||   2004-05-02 12:31:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 AW - crushing dissent? How Islamic...
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 12:32:48 PM||   2004-05-02 12:32:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 Your language is getting more offensive by the minute.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 12:33:59 PM||   2004-05-02 12:33:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 Antiwar, I live in Texas and here, we've got folks that make me look reasonable and even-tempered!
(The other 49 states have 'em, too. They're called patriots.)
If there's another IslamoNazi attack on this country, it won't be pretty for the Middle East.
What I'm saying to Miss "Gentle Whiner" is extremely useful--it's called a "word to the wise."
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:34:10 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:34:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Why don't YOU ask survivors of Nazi concentration or Japanese POW camps if they would have preferred that unconditional pacifists like your self had persuaded the Allies to roll over rather than fight.
Posted by docob 2004-05-02 12:35:42 PM||   2004-05-02 12:35:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 hi antiwar! good to see you again ima been reading about mucki concern about kindergarten stoining and random chile killin ima sure youre coming out foursquare agin that peace be witha you and your asparagus btw take a hit offen boron my new technically cats bong
Posted by HalfEmpty 2004-05-02 12:38:12 PM||   2004-05-02 12:38:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 I have 2 prof. from Texas. They're really nice. I'll have to ask them about what you are saying.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 12:38:13 PM||   2004-05-02 12:38:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:40:11 PM||   2004-05-02 12:40:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 just dead Jooooos, but that's OK with you, Antiwar asswipe
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 12:42:26 PM||   2004-05-02 12:42:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 "Gentle," you should change your name to Moron.
You really are dumber than a box of hammers!
As if any Texans prostituting themselves for $ in your Islamic lockdown country would tell you about the real feelings of Americans back home...!
Here we go again: Here's you-- " I want to know. I don't want to know."
And then when we tell you the truth, you just go, "La-la-la-la. Talk to the burka, 'cause the head ain't listening."
I give up!
You and that idiot AntiBrain have a nice time.
You are a couple of world class bubbleheads!
Are either of you blonde?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 12:44:20 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 12:44:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:46:24 PM||   2004-05-02 12:46:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 Burka!
You've got to be kidding me!
That is like me asking you if you still make your own butter.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 12:50:00 PM||   2004-05-02 12:50:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 12:51:00 PM||   2004-05-02 12:51:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Talking to Gentle and antireason is a waste of time and bandwidth. Like I said, the children's table is down the hall -- run along now, kiddies. Go talk about happy rainbow land where you never have to fight to defend yourself or those you love, and where wonderful peaceful Islamists would never do anything as uncouth as force a woman to wear a burka or fly planes into office buildings.
Posted by docob 2004-05-02 12:57:22 PM||   2004-05-02 12:57:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 After carefull review of the Antiwar/Gentle lovefest, i've concluded that they are the same
person.

-AR
Posted by Analog Roam 2004-05-02 12:58:41 PM||   2004-05-02 12:58:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 1:02:05 PM||   2004-05-02 1:02:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Anti-war : are you reading this?
Hello AR!
They've already checked and told you that I am from the U.A.E.
Tell me, is this how you also CONCLUDED that Islam means terrorism?
'coz you sure have proven my point!
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:03:47 PM||   2004-05-02 1:03:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 Okay, okay, okay everyone, now that we've had a mutual exchange of blunt instruments and chest thumping --

Gentle: the 9/11 attacks were not a "framing" of innocent Muslims. There is incontrovertible evidence on this, a veritable mountain of data, that demonstrates very simply --

1) the attack was staged by al-Qaeda.
2) of the 19 men who attacked us, all were Muslim, and 15 were Saudi citizens
3) the attack was premeditated and designed to strike fear into Americans.
4) the attack followed several other attacks by al-Qaeda over the years, including attacks on our embassies in Africa, on a barracks in Saudi Arabia, and on a naval vessel in Yemen.

Now, Gentle, those are the facts, and they're incontrovertible.

Most Americans don't hate all Muslims. Most Americans hate those Muslims who attacked us, who support these attacks, and support more attacks like this. al-Qaeda and related organizations can be considered to be of a political groups that we call "islamofascist": Muslims who use their religious faith combined with a fascist ideology, and who believe that it is right and proper to kill all the infidels, drive them from the world, and subject the world (both ours and yours) to their particular interpretation of Islam.

Now if you agree with them, you're our enemy. If you don't agree with them, you can be our friend, or you and we can agree to leave each other alone. But if you're not our enemy, you had better not aid, shelter, and consort with those who are our avowed enemies. We tend not to like that. We get angry. You won't like us when we're angry.

Americans don't want to rule the world. We're happy to get along with folks. We have our own outlook on the world, of course, and that might clash with yours. We can work that out. But if your co-religionists decide that the only good Americans are dead ones, rest assured we're going to fight back.

It's simple, Gentle: you can be a pious, devout, good Muslim and get along with us just fine. But you can't get along with us if you're an Islamofascist. We make a distinction between the two. If you don't and consider "good pious Muslim" and "Islamofascist" to be the same, then you've got trouble ahead.
Posted by Steve White  2004-05-02 1:04:51 PM||   2004-05-02 1:04:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 Antisemite--

You can dish it out, but you can't take it, can you? Let's face it, you just love those jihadi sites--you're not "anti-war," you just don't like actual live Jews unless they're pro-Arafat. Why don't you ask Gentle about the state of religious freedom in her country? Don't you think it's a little odd that she denies that Islamonazi pieces of shit planes into the WTC, or is that just another Jewish conspiracy story that you believe in too, along with the other fairy tales to which you subscribe?
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 1:07:22 PM||   2004-05-02 1:07:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 What does Islamofascist mean?
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:09:15 PM||   2004-05-02 1:09:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 We have religous freedom in our country BMN
Why ask Anti-war to ask me?
She already knows.
Why not ask me yourself?
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:12:06 PM||   2004-05-02 1:12:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 Gentle, here's a web site you might like:

http://nicedoggie.net/

Lots of calm, reasoned debate there-- unlike Rantburg-- with lots of open-minded discussion of Islam and its merits. Try it, you'll enjoy it.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-05-02 1:16:34 PM||   2004-05-02 1:16:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 Really, Gentle? How many synagogues are there in your country? Can someone go and open one now?

Just 27% of the people in your country are citizens--why is that?
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 1:18:39 PM||   2004-05-02 1:18:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 Part 2, to the Aussie chick, "Antiwar":

Most Americans would like to get along with others. We don't want to put our Army into a dozen fights around the world -- it leaves us with war dead, and we don't like seeing brave, good Americans dead.

However -- we will defend ourselves, and when we do we're ferocious. You've seen evidence of that in the past hundred years. Ask your grandfather, he probably fought with us in the Pacific.

For some reason you've bought into the ideas of the liberal left, and there isn't enough space or time for me to talk you down from that. While it might be hard for you to believe this, there is no evil cabal, no conglomeration of oil, industry and the Trilateral Commission, and no conspiracy. George Bush is not Hitler, and it is insulting (not to mention ignorant in the extreme) to claim otherwise.

Americans generally don't want war, but we also don't back down from a fight. al Qaeda brought us a fight, and now they have one. Saddam was (in the end) in the way of our winning our fight with al Qaeda and their supporters, so he had to go. Most Americans understand that Saddam was evil, so there are no tears for removing him.

Most Americans understand something that you seem to have missed: Saddam was a creature of his own making. We didn't make him, Rumsfeld's handshake didn't make him, and even the French/Russian/UN conspiracy didn't make him. Saddam was just plain evil. We got rid of him. Good, score one for us.

Most Americans also understand what I wrote to Gentle: that there is a confrontation between the western world and the Islamofascist one. We're going to win that because we have to: the notion that America would become an Islamofascist state is unthinkable. Most regular readers of Rantburg see this confrontation clearly. There is a war here, and while we might prefer not to fight it, fight it we must.

You who claim to be anti-war (noble in the abstract) need to see that there are times when war is the least unacceptable option. This is one of those times.
Posted by Steve White  2004-05-02 1:20:23 PM||   2004-05-02 1:20:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 FINE!
I'll get the dictionary.
Please wait.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:22:22 PM||   2004-05-02 1:22:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 FINE!
I'll get the dictionary.
Please wait.
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:22:30 PM||   2004-05-02 1:22:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 Gentle/Antiwar, you can't be two people. How is possible to get your heads up the same a*sehole, (Allan's), at the same time? You must be the same schizlamazoid. (Please note, new word in Rantburg lexicon, Mr Fred, I hope). Please, BTW, consider editing out this happy-crap from the teen-agers, however cute they look.
Posted by rhodesiafever 2004-05-02 1:23:19 PM||   2004-05-02 1:23:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 Gentle gets dictionary and looks up "cute."
Posted by rhodesiafever 2004-05-02 1:24:49 PM||   2004-05-02 1:24:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 1:26:04 PM||   2004-05-02 1:26:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 In response to Gentle's question, What does Islamofascist mean?, here's an answer:

Islamofascism is the combination of militant, intolerant Islam with fascist ideology. The original Ba'ath party was the essence of this: the founders borrowed liberally from the Italian Fascist Party manifesto in their original documents.

This ideology uses extreme nationalism, belief in the state as a manifestation of the people or the manifestation of God's will, belief (whether driven by religion or ethnocentricism) that those "right-believers" in the state deserve to be seen as the righteous inheritors of the earth, and that those who are not not of the state (e.g., not of the right religion, race or ethnicity) are less than fully human, and therefore deserve no consideration, have no rights, and may be exterminated.

It follows that Islamfascism can be more secular, as the Ba'ath party is, or extremely religious, as al Qaeda is. The Islamic Brotherhood, the Muslim Brotherhood organizations, the Ba'ath party, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and numerous other organizations in the Muslim world meet this definition.

Islamofascism is extremely intolerant: you are either a right believer or you are sub-human. It is also violent, since it believes that the righteous have not only the right but the duty to remove the sub-humans from the earth.
Posted by Steve White  2004-05-02 1:28:32 PM||   2004-05-02 1:28:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 It's just that you are in denial/don't care about the plans of Arafat, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc, for the Jews of Israel. If those Jews were all murdered, and they would be if your ignorant Chomskyite plans were actually implemented, then you would suddenly be sad--because you like dead Jews just fine. But it doesn't mean you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 1:30:30 PM||   2004-05-02 1:30:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 Steve, I think she's just playing dumb.
She admitted to being a Waahab herself and she should know all about IslamoFascism.
(That is, if they let the wimmenfolk hear the "good parts" of the sermon at the mosque, which I doubt.)
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 1:31:09 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 1:31:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 And Antisemite, I notice you are full of praise for Gentle even after she's spouted her ridiculous 9-11 conspiracy talk. I assume you believe that, too.
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 1:33:16 PM||   2004-05-02 1:33:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 Antiwar: while you may not believe this, there are relatively few Jews who are not believers in the state of Israel. Certainly in America a large majority of Jews believe that Israel has a right to exist not just as a matter of international law but also as a matter of religious faith.

Also, I'm of the belief that whenever I encounter a person who claims repeatedly that they're not "anti-Jewish", but rather "anti-Zionist", that person is usually both, and are merely dissembling in order to avoid being properly labeled and tagged.

There's no doubt that certain actions taken by Israel and Israelis over the last half-century have been wrong. But few Americans question Israel's right to exist. Those who do are correctly labeled anti-Zionist, and (in my experience) just about everyone of those is also anti-Jewish.
Posted by Steve White  2004-05-02 1:34:41 PM||   2004-05-02 1:34:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 Jen, you are logged in favourites as a Rhodesian. Wish there were more of you.
Posted by rhodesiafever 2004-05-02 1:36:51 PM||   2004-05-02 1:36:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 Stop being idiots, all of you.
It is only natural that I don't understand a word in english.
IT IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE!
Besides, no muslim is an IslamoFascist.
It simply goes against everything we believe in.
No human is better than another, except by his piety.
No human is an animal.
Even animals may not be starved, tortured or killed for sport.
Not even when they are seen as filthy, and bad!
(In Islam)
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:42:34 PM||   2004-05-02 1:42:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 Stop being idiots, all of you.
It is only natural that I don't understand a word in english.
IT IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE!
Besides, no muslim is an IslamoFascist.
It simply goes against everything we believe in.
No human is better than another, except by his piety.
No human is an animal.
Even animals may not be starved, tortured or killed for sport.
Not even when they are seen as filthy, and bad!
(In Islam)
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 1:42:45 PM||   2004-05-02 1:42:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 Fred, "Clash of Civilizations" catfight cleanup on aisles 18-72!

(SORRY! Hope this doesn't make you feel worse! Don't forget to use those pain pills!)

Cheers to rhodesiafever!
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 1:48:53 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 1:48:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 1:53:49 PM||   2004-05-02 1:53:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#80 Zionism has brought nothing but tribulation to the Jews

Oh, Antisemite is now going to tell the Jews what's good for them, just as Europeans (again) and Muslims (again) do all the time. Both groups love every form of nationalism but Jewish (and American, bien sur!) nationalism, and both have a history of killing Jews. It's just a coincidence, of course.

Tell you what, Antisemite, give your house back to the aborigines, and then maybe people on the board will take you seriously.
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 2:00:38 PM||   2004-05-02 2:00:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#81 What a wasted thread! I haven't read but a fraction of it. Could Gentle and Anti be the same person? You're burning bandwidth to no good purpose.
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-05-02 2:06:31 PM||   2004-05-02 2:06:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#82 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 2:08:33 PM||   2004-05-02 2:08:33 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 2:10:55 PM||   2004-05-02 2:10:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#84 yeah! remember islam meane piece and they have happy way of kill animales ima a worried they may no regard little jews as animales tho
Posted by HalfEmpty 2004-05-02 2:12:56 PM||   2004-05-02 2:12:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#85 gentle? what a new troll trying pass of islam as peacful?? and i wouldn't be to happy to have anti-war back you up...the majority of her/him/it's post's are idiotic to say the least.
Posted by Dan 2004-05-02 2:14:51 PM||   2004-05-02 2:14:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#86 I bought my house I'm paying a mortgage on it. Aboriginal people never lived in it

It's on stolen land, Antisemite. When are you giving it back?
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 2:15:25 PM||   2004-05-02 2:15:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#87 ooooopss ima sorry i forgot to make refer to bigmajorityofwhitewomenfromsmith a good blog ima a make many friend there hi sunshine jim!
Posted by HalfEmpty 2004-05-02 2:16:17 PM||   2004-05-02 2:16:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#88 gentle hear what steve is saying...it is true and most americans understand this...

not all muslims are good just like not all christians are good. there is a disticntion...but it seems muslims cannot make that distinction when it is about a fellow muslim.
Posted by Dan 2004-05-02 2:18:31 PM||   2004-05-02 2:18:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#89 Of course we can Dan.
We also DO!
Posted by  Gentle 2004-05-02 2:19:59 PM||   2004-05-02 2:19:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#90 I'm a gettting that peaceful feelin again
Posted by L McCain 2004-05-02 2:20:34 PM||   2004-05-02 2:20:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#91 No human is better than another, except by his piety.

LOL. We ain't got a chance!
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:24:50 PM||   2004-05-02 2:24:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#92 77 Stop being idiots, all of you.
It is only natural that I don't understand a word in english.
IT IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE!
Besides, no muslim is an IslamoFascist.
It simply goes against everything we believe in.
No human is better than another, except by his piety.
No human is an animal.
Even animals may not be starved, tortured or killed for sport.
Not even when they are seen as filthy, and bad

Your are truly an idiot if you believe this load of crap.. Come on….mulsims can barely tolerate sects within their own religion let alone infidels (at least as stated by the quran)..if it weren’t for joooss and the west you would be killing each other…oh wait you are already killing each other….

From algreia to pakland it happens all the time. If a muslim does not follow the quran explicitly they are targets from fanatics (islamofascists)..how do explain the slit throats of innocents villages in Algeria?

Posted by Dan 2004-05-02 2:25:09 PM||   2004-05-02 2:25:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#93 Is there anything funnier than a Bourka babe on the net?
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:27:18 PM||   2004-05-02 2:27:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#94 Bourka Babes... is it okay to be translucent afternoon?
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:28:51 PM||   2004-05-02 2:28:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#95 Bourka Babes... how crowded does that restroom get on the flight back to the promised land?
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:29:52 PM||   2004-05-02 2:29:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#96 Holy Schitskis! I have been gone for a week and a half in New Mexico and Texas, and have noticed that the comment wars have been going on well in my absence. Good work, Rantburgers!

Fred, Frank G. tells me that you had an operation and that you are OK and are recovering. Wishing you a steady and speedy recovery.

It seems to me that Islam is in need of a Reformation like Christianity was hundreds of years ago. Well, they better hurry it up. Actions speak louder than words, and the "moderate" muslims better take over the religion before the extremists do, or the extremist will take everybody down with them. If moderate Muslims in Europe and in the US do not speak up, the extremists will be cleaned out without them, and alot of innocent or rather silent Muslims will be hurt in the process. It will not be pretty.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-05-02 2:30:21 PM||   2004-05-02 2:30:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#97 Bourka Babes, allowed to vote?
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:31:04 PM||   2004-05-02 2:31:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#98 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 2:31:42 PM||   2004-05-02 2:31:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#99 Bourka Babes... how do you feel about slavery? Slime style?
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:32:16 PM||   2004-05-02 2:32:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#100 Odd duck.
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 2:34:59 PM||   2004-05-02 2:34:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#101 Anti-IQ, you really do have sh*t for brains!
BMN nailed you and you're either too stupid or too stubborn to get it or both!
British settlers who landed on Australia as POMEs were invaders, Birdbrain!
They took the land from the Abos!
Just like we Yanks took it from the American Indians.
Ask around.
Anti--or should we call you Special Ed?, be sure and always wear your helmet and be on time when the special little bus comes to take you to Special School!
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 2:41:10 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 2:41:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#102 Aboriginal people are not forced to stand at checkpoints have their homes bulldozed etc etc

No, of course not, most of their ancestors were killed and virtually all the rest moved to distant reservations years ago.

What happens if they start bombing your neighborhood? I can hardly wait to see!

They are Australian citizens

You mean there are no Arab citizens of Israel? I didn't know that! How many Jewish citizens of the UAE, or any other Arab country, are there?

I and my family are migrants not invaders.

That's an interesting distinction, Antisemite. Did the aborigines share it?

Actually I am really only interested in your answer to the question above: do you endorse "Gentle's" (what is it with you liars, anyway--your names are the opposite of what you actally believe) fanciful 9-11 conspiracy theory, or not?
Posted by BMN 2004-05-02 2:44:35 PM||   2004-05-02 2:44:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#103 The prophet Mo, fake. Islam, fake. mullahs lecturing the faithful, fake. Mecca, fake. Medina, fake. The islamic holy sites, fake. The toothy smiles and batted eyelashes of good manners, fake. Gentle, fake?

Islamofacist, real and they'll kill you and praise allah (fake).

Antiwar, pray for peace. But know this, until the jihadies are defeated there will be no peace. They wont just go away and you can thank those like Gentle, who are as sheep, for breeding them.
Posted by Lucky 2004-05-02 2:45:40 PM||   2004-05-02 2:45:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#104 
Anyone should be able to live where they like but no one should invade.
Tell that to the Arab nations who ganged up on tiny Israel in 1967.

Six Days, Bitch!™
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-05-02 2:47:42 PM||   2004-05-02 2:47:42 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-05-02 2:48:19 PM||   2004-05-02 2:48:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#106 Yeah, well my family came here from Italy via England, but the Indians were here long before they were.
It's called the "white man's burden."--Check it out, bee-atch!

And I don't like to ruin good tea with whiskey!
That booze is killing what few brain cells you have, dear.
Posted by Jen  2004-05-02 2:50:57 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-02 2:50:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#107 Gentle explain to me why 90% of the people killed in Terrorist acts in the last 40 years were killed by Muslems?
Islam may be the"Religion of Peace"(LOL),but it sure has a whole lot of cold blooded,murdering adherents,and the rest are enablers, supporters, and apologists.

Anti-semite,give it up your comment the other day says exactly what you are:(paraphrase)"Ofcourse it is ok to stone Kindergarten Jews,after all the will grow-up to be Jew Soldiers"
That one sentence brands you as the bigot you are.
By the way since Paleo children are taught from the cradle to hate and kill Jews does that mean we get to kill Paleo babbies?
Posted by raptor 2004-05-02 3:33:20 PM||   2004-05-02 3:33:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#108 Gentle,
The answer is very simple. Stop killing and enslaving people and Westeners will believe all the song and dance of Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance and that above all, it abhorrs killing. I doubt very much that the people being killed by muslims in the Phillipine, Indonesia, Nigeria, Mauritania, East Timor, Zanzibar, Algeria, Spain, Israel,Sub-Sahara, Coptics in Egypt, the Assyrians in Iraq, Christians in Pakistan and Bangladesh, India, Westeners in Saudi Arabia and in any muslim country, Sudan etc, etc, will believe you just because you cite them some verses from the Koran.
Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-05-02 3:46:50 PM||   2004-05-02 3:46:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#109 Wack-a-Troll Central (Oooh-ooh! I wanna play! I wanna play!!)

"Gentle" says (#61):  "We have religous freedom in our country BMN. Why ask Anti-war to ask me? She already knows." Uh-hem. How does "Gentle" know anything about what Antiwar "knows" since this--supposedly--is their "first" contact with each other? (ha-ha-ha)

Antiwar and Gentle: If you EVER want to get real, read Steve White's posts. It's all there.

But since you don't, you can get real with these links instead:

Father Preserves His Moslem Honor By Strangling 14-Year-Old Daughter

Fury as Italians back female mutilation and 2 million girls a year mutilated

Or how about: Afghan Women Still Face Violence

There are THOUSANDS of others.

Operatives Gentle and Antiwar: Stop trying to steal bandwidth, and "influence" people with lies, and comment on the above. No one will take you seriously unless you OPENLY CONDEMN what should be condemned by your false cult-religion, such as the above and:

Lest we forget: Courtesy of the Religion of "Peace"™.


The moslem lady in the following photos was treated very "gently," courtesy of the Religion of "Peace"™ as described in Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor" Her husband cut out her tongue, gouged out her eyes and cut off her nose and ears. No Islamic Fundamentalism here, folks.

Zahida before her husband's kind "makeover."

Or how about this "kindness and correction" of these women by religious police. (I dunno, they all look kind of "Moslem" to me.) These photos are caught from a video film that has been filmed by RAWA on August 26, 2001 in Kabul using a hidden camera. It shows two Taliban from department of Amro bil mahroof (Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, Taliban religious police) beating a woman in public because she has dared to remove her burqa in public.

If that's not enough, we can always review the unprovoked killing of Christians in Indonesia, just because they are Christians, courtesy of the Religion of "Peace"™. This little 9 month-old baby girl was murdered by Islamic Fundamentalists (i.e. Islamofascists) along with burning down the oldest church in the region.

And while you're at it, Gentle and Antiwar, please also comment on why your Islamofascist mullahs tell your young men that they will be given 72 virgins to f-ck for all eternity, if they commit suicide and blow innocent people to bits, and why, if a muslim woman does the same thing, she gets to be "married" to one man in Islam-ick "paradise." And I still want to know where all those "paradise" virgins and marriageable young men come from. Are they created especially for the purpose by (spit) your god, the Islamic "Allah," god of war? Are the virgins, and husbands-in-reserve, automatons? Or do they enter into these "sex-for-suicide-" jihad pacts willingly?

(P.S. to my fellow Rantburgians: It's not difficult for people to send e-mails to their "friends" in other counties, and then have those friends post them, so it looks like it's being posted from somewhere else. Just a thought regarding clones like "Gentle" and "Antiwar." Either that, or they took the same drugs.)

Troll-hunting tip courtesy of ex-lib: The Textual Terminator of Islamofascists World Wide .
Posted by ex-lib 2004-05-02 5:36:52 PM||   2004-05-02 5:36:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#110 Bored young men strapping on explosives with dreams of Pussy Heaven. That pretty much sums up the Middle East today, doesn't it?

Tell me... is it allowable on Earth for a Muslim man to have sex with 72 women at a time?

If not, why would it be permitted in heaven?
Posted by eLarson 2004-05-02 6:02:33 PM||   2004-05-02 6:02:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#111 apparently the Islamic Heroes™ have trouble satisfying one woman, which is why they're so sensitive, worrying about them straying....Masterbating Race indeed
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 6:14:54 PM||   2004-05-02 6:14:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#112 They live in a fantasy world if they think they'd be able to take care of 72 women, even in their "heaven." These dickless wonders couldn't even "take care of" themselves 72 times. Anywhere.

They're such useless, insignificant losers, it's no wonder they're so willing to kill themselves. They'd have to raise their IQs 100 points just to get up to "maroon."
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-05-02 6:25:17 PM||   2004-05-02 6:25:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#113 Geez this thread is a scream! Barbara - you rock!
Posted by .com 2004-05-02 6:29:01 PM||   2004-05-02 6:29:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#114 Dang, ex-lib goes Nuclear!

Bourka babes really got the crowd in the game.
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-02 6:59:03 PM||   2004-05-02 6:59:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#115 Why, thank you, .com. Flattery will get you... (we'll talk about that later). :-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-05-02 7:16:46 PM||   2004-05-02 7:16:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#116 LOL! I expect nothing, but appreciate whatever crumbs you toss my unworthy direction! Lol!
Posted by .com 2004-05-02 7:22:08 PM||   2004-05-02 7:22:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#117 get a room, you two!
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 7:36:42 PM||   2004-05-02 7:36:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#118 This is why I love RB so much - the snarkiness is both theraputic and devastating... as Twain said:

"Power, money, persuasion, supplication, persecution -- these can lift at a colossal humbug -- push it a little -- weaken it a little over the course of a century; but only laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand."

of course, he also said:

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

Lol!
Posted by .com 2004-05-02 7:44:52 PM||   2004-05-02 7:44:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#119 I'm afraid the stupid level drops quantitatively every time AntiWar and Gentle type...rest assured PD, you ain't there ;-)
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-02 7:50:26 PM||   2004-05-02 7:50:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#120 Mebbe this hits the spot for blogging - for it's the responses that teach... Sadly, though, I don't think our screechers actually have this much sense since they are merely "mouthing" DUmmy Talking Points without much consideration:

"Learn as much by writing as by reading."
-Lord Acton
Posted by .com 2004-05-02 8:07:00 PM||   2004-05-02 8:07:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#121 Damn! What a great thread! Snarkery and smart-assery abound! Yee-hah!

Welcome back, AP, by the way!
Posted by Dar  2004-05-02 8:38:57 PM||   2004-05-02 8:38:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#122 Not that I’m certain it will work, but to attempt a little assist here. Ex-lib writes "If that's not enough, we can always review the unprovoked killing of Christians in Indonesia, just because they are Christians, courtesy of the Religion of "Peace"™. This little 9 month-old baby girl was murdered by Islamic Fundamentalists (i.e. Islamofascists) along with burning down the oldest church in the region." I think the server to the pictures on that site may be overloaded, or the directional string is wrong. Here’s an attempt to reload the church picture and an alternate picture of the church from a different server site:

This is an attempt to reload the picture of the baby, which (in any case) is at this link. And, if it is a server overload issue, you can see Google’s cached page with the sad picture of the murdered baby here.
Posted by cingold 2004-05-02 8:39:05 PM||   2004-05-02 8:39:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#123 Agreed, Dar - welcome back AP!

BTW, where's jarhead these days? He must be connection-challenged - and I miss his regular no-nonsense posts a LOT!!!!
Posted by .com 2004-05-02 8:56:27 PM||   2004-05-02 8:56:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#124 Jihadists are disgusting creatures.Don't you agree Anti & Gentle.
Posted by raptor 2004-05-02 9:04:54 PM||   2004-05-02 9:04:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#125 raptor - LOL! We should call you sniper. Talk about taking down (both) your opponents with just one shot.
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