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2004-04-01 Afghanistan/South Asia
Wazir War - Phase Two?
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Posted by Steve 2004-04-01 9:01:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1  murdering a prisoner was un-Islamic

But right in line with mafioso code.
Posted by Lucky 2004-04-01 10:51:32 AM||   2004-04-01 10:51:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I presume that whats going on involves a considerable amount of manuevering of Pashtun tribes and subtribes against each other. Burkis and their allies (mahsuds?) against the Ahmadzai, or at least the Zalikhel.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-04-01 10:55:28 AM||   2004-04-01 10:55:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 LH, what are the odds that this has nothing to do with the WoT and everything to do with putting down those Waziri tribes who aren't playing ball with the central government of Pakistan?
Posted by Secret Master  2004-04-01 11:35:42 AM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com]  2004-04-01 11:35:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The killers, he felt, were bringing a bad name to Islam.

A little late for that...
Posted by Raj 2004-04-01 12:12:16 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2004-04-01 12:12:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Secret Master:

Though I would never presume to speak for another Ranter…

IMHO one of the strongest pillers of a free society is the paradox where individual freedoms are ensured when a central government can exert it’s will in all regions within it’s borders, which results in the consistency born from the rule of law. The next ingredient necessary in this recipe, once central authority is established, is for the government to allow and promote personal expression within the law, without fear of losing the authority it has established.

Pakistan apprears, FINALLY, to be establishing control in their version of the USA 1800’s “wild west”. By establishing control, Pakistan will be less attractive to terrorist since they will not have free run of the region. This is why the establishment of central government control is not only a focator in the WoT, it is a crucial component.
Posted by Hyper 2004-04-01 1:16:26 PM||   2004-04-01 1:16:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Not to be too snarky, but I gather you're saying that PakiWakiLand is only about 200 years behind us. I consider that to be excellent! If what Perv is trying to do works, it is very good news. Prior to the Waz Invasion, I would've put the figure somehwat higher! ;-)
Posted by .com 2004-04-01 1:45:23 PM||   2004-04-01 1:45:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 I agree with Hyper and DotComBoom. I wasnt so much addressing the ultimate importance of this - grand strategically, its essential that SOMEBODY take control of NWFP, and for a lot of reasons its far better that the Paks do it then that the 10th Mountain Division does it. I was simply interested in the degree to which the TACTICS necessarily get into the nitty grit of tribal politics.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-04-01 3:55:56 PM||   2004-04-01 3:55:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 The problem, to begin with, is that the NWFP dpn't belong to Pakistan: the Durand treaty had a vaildity of 100 years after what the NWFP should be brought back to Afghanistan. What Pakistan has done has been to buy the NWFP by giving them totalm self rule, exempting them from taxes and allowing their inhabitants unrestricted access to work in other parts of Pakistan. If Pakistan tries to have the common law appli to the NWFP could remember the old word for Pashtuns is Afghans

PS: One of the reasons Pakistan has ever tried to stir trouble in Afghanistan is that an empoverished Afghanistan will be unattractive to the NWFP people).
Posted by JFM  2004-04-01 4:13:20 PM||   2004-04-01 4:13:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Do we see a Blood Fued brewing.
This could be worse than the Hatfields & McCoys

(and pretty entertaining at that)
Posted by Raptor  2004-04-01 4:31:47 PM||   2004-04-01 4:31:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Hyper:
I'm personally a big fan of federalism. I like the idea of a weak central government and non-uniform national laws. IMAO fences make for good neighbors. If you don't like the way things work in California then you can move to Texas and vice versa.

But, being that this is the WoT, I can see your point. What's good for the 21st Century goose might not be so good for the 9th Century gander.
Posted by Secret Master  2004-04-01 4:47:52 PM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com]  2004-04-01 4:47:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 The first offensive was just pitching rocks at the hornets nest. They now think "its over". And they have burned many of their escape routes. Some of them were blown shut. But other routes they got out clean and THEY think they are not compromised. Hmm... Did the mice really get out of the trap or were they let out in order to get the Rats when they use the same places?

Seems a perfect time to launch a big military op. By US SF/Seals and raids by Rangers, and line the other side of the border with Marines and Mountain troops (i.e. our best dismounted fighters). Have the Paks distracting them elsewhere until we are ready to uncork things. Ambushes set, all kinds of stuff ready to pop.

Nah, we would not be that devious would we?
Posted by OldSpook 2004-04-01 7:05:14 PM||   2004-04-01 7:05:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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