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2004-03-12 Britain
Freed Briton tells of beatings and torture
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Posted by tipper 2004-03-12 6:00:19 AM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Should thank his lucky stars he's not swinging on the gallows. Hang them all for treason. (and Piers Morgan - editor of Mirror).
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-12 6:22:40 AM||   2004-3-12 6:22:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Howard you are one twisted motherf*^%$#.If this happened in Iraq for instance you would be whinging about democracy and human rights. But apparently its ok for US to torture prisoners.
Posted by Antiwar 2004-3-12 6:35:02 AM||   2004-3-12 6:35:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Born and raised in Britain but shooting at our troops. Treason in my book. Don't know what this guy's real story is but by Darwin's law of natural selection he's one numpty for being a westerner in this warzone post 9/11. They should all be hung for treason or stupidity or both...
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-12 6:48:00 AM||   2004-3-12 6:48:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 told the Daily Mirror he accidentally strayed into Afghanistan

I think this says all we need to know about his credibility.
Posted by Phil B  2004-3-12 7:01:54 AM||   2004-3-12 7:01:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Antiwar: You moron! You got these guys saying this kind of stuff, yet every other detainee that has been released to date said Gitmo was great. That the guards were nice, the food was good, and they had actually gained weight.

Plus, as unlawful combatants in a warzone, what should have been was shot him on the spot. Instead of arresting him and putting him up at Gitmo, regardless of the conditions.

But you are soooo willing to believe the worst, that you will take these statements and ignore all the rest. Ignore all the positive comments about Gitmo, from other detainees. The idea that one or the other is lying, and it just might be your guy, is something that you are totally blind to.

Sheesh!
Posted by Ben  2004-3-12 7:05:51 AM||   2004-3-12 7:05:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I think it is imperitive to follow the Geneva Convention to the letter. Next time one of these Jihadis is captured, interrogate and execute him on the spot. No uniform, no national army: not a soldier. Spies, saboteurs, and unlawful combattants are to be executed.

BTW, would any English here say "Extreme Reaction Force"? I can't imagine any American comming up with a name like that.

Prostitutes were brought into the camp
Haha. In their wildest fanatsies. He left out the part where they were 72 nine year old virgin prostitutes.
Posted by ed 2004-3-12 7:20:43 AM||   2004-3-12 7:20:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 "Our" guy coming out with blatant cr*p like this could hardly be better material for the pro-Guantanamo/pro-WoT camp. It'll fracture and crumble the left. Those more rationally thinking amongst them will find that they can't rely on the testimony of the menstrually-smeared, invisibly-injured yet surprisingly chippy and healthy-looking former inmates. This is worse than no evidence of mistreatment at all...

Bring it on, traitor scum. Spill the magic beans.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-3-12 7:23:52 AM||   2004-3-12 7:23:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I am unwilling to believe this story. I have heard other reports where inmates of Guantanamo have said they are being treated humanely and decently, eating better food than they did in their home country, have full religious dignity and are actually thankful that they are being treated so decently - compared to what they were led to believe, and how prisoners would be treated in their home country.
Posted by Anon1 2004-3-12 7:28:10 AM||   2004-3-12 7:28:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 This is the most ridiculous load of crap I've read this week. And in a week full of bs that's saying a lot. It's amazing that there are morons that will buy this jokers story (a lot of them to boot) and it's amazing that a "newspaper" would print this garbage.
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-3-12 8:23:07 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-3-12 8:23:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Ahem. The captured al'Qaeda manual says you should make a lotta noise about being tortured if you're ever arrested by the infidels. This guy's just following SOP.

He said inmates were not given access to clean water, being forced to drink water which was either murky and yellow or "black - the colour of Coca-Cola".

So they were given the choice of Mountain Dew or Coke? Or maybe it was a store brand?

Prostitutes were brought into the camp and the ERF would pick out the most committed Muslims, some of whom had never seen an unveiled woman before, and force them to sit and watch her touching her naked body.

Now this is beyond the pale! We're telling our sailors to avoid bars like this, and yet we're supposedly providing this service FREE to Gitmo inmates?!

Antiwar -- you're a tool, if not a sock puppet.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-3-12 8:25:43 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-3-12 8:25:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Read the whole original article and the other linked stories and you will find plenty of nuggets stating that this guy was deliberately hostile and non-cooperative. The "Turkey" story cracks me up -- this guy thought he was trucking from Pakistan to Turkey? That's at least an incredible journey through Iran no matter how you slice it! People with no sense of geography should stay home. He's hostile, non-cooperative, at least a bit delusional, and ignorant. I feel sorry for his neighbors.
Posted by Tom 2004-3-12 8:48:38 AM||   2004-3-12 8:48:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 ...the men were followed off the plane, into a police station for questioning, then to their homes, where their families posted notes on the doors telling reporters to please contact their media consultants. The price of an interview was said to start at around $75,000.
Posted by Anonymous 2004-3-12 9:03:09 AM||   2004-3-12 9:03:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Dear Anonymous - is this sourced?
Posted by Howard UK 2004-3-12 9:05:49 AM||   2004-3-12 9:05:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 I have trouble believing they paid 75G for this story. Newspapers would go broke if they blew cash like that...
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-3-12 9:46:27 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-3-12 9:46:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 give em some of the $1 million bills the lady tried to pass at Walmart
Posted by Frank G  2004-3-12 9:51:28 AM||   2004-3-12 9:51:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Hey if the GIs are getting Hooks to come on base I may have to rethink my retirement! Antiwar, please take your meds. This is SOOOO much left wing/anti america babble that it aint even funny. We don't torture people, even if they deserve it.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2004-3-12 10:17:18 AM||   2004-3-12 10:17:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 basically these five fuckers are british only by thier fuckin passport - nothing else.I'm seriously unhappy about these bastards being released but am actually even more livid with piers morgan the wank stain for seemingly treating them as some kind of heros as if thier fuckin terry waite or nelson man fucking dela,. I feel i may be forced to shit into an envolope and send it to the daily mail
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-12 10:20:13 AM||   2004-3-12 10:20:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 sorry daily mirror :)
Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-12 10:23:45 AM||   2004-3-12 10:23:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 welcom back antiwar! godd to see you again! we miss you here even if some of them dont sound like it. i even thought changing my name to antimeat in memory of you.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-3-12 10:49:33 AM||   2004-3-12 10:49:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Hookers in Guantanamo!!! Patriotic ones, too!!! Freshly flown in from Norfolk, Virginia!!!

I know somebody who was stationed in Gitmo (before 9/11). He said it's the worst place to be stationed..because there are NO WOMEN! (except military of course).

But I guess these guys had a few wet dreams. And maybe you wanna work on that giggle juice..lol
Posted by True German Ally 2004-3-12 10:57:48 AM||   2004-3-12 10:57:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Didn't have time to read the whole thing. How much weight did this guy gain?
Posted by Mr. Davis  2004-3-12 11:15:07 AM||   2004-3-12 11:15:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 This guy is great. Half of his stories didn't happen to him or the other British captives because the captures knew they'd be immune to such punishments. Easier to avoid being tripped up on little details that way.

The sad thing is the story stinks in every way imaginable but it will be quoted left and left by those looking desperately to prove their point tha the US=Nazi Germany.
Posted by rupecht 2004-3-12 12:21:40 PM||   2004-3-12 12:21:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 This guy is great. Half of his stories didn't happen to him or the other British captives because the captures knew they'd be immune to such punishments. Easier to avoid being tripped up on little details that way.

The sad thing is the story stinks in every way imaginable but it will be quoted left and left by those looking desperately to prove their point tha the US=Nazi Germany.
Posted by rupecht 2004-3-12 12:21:53 PM||   2004-3-12 12:21:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Anitwar - you are one twisted mother F!@#%*@.......you and your kind believe that everyone is your brother - while noble - very naive. you cannot force someone to like. what these arab asshats have done is declare war big time...the gloves are off and war is dirty..... you should just thank god that there are people who will do the dirty work so you and your kind can still express your views. you should go and join your brethern in syria -- only problem is people like are all talk and no action.
these times require drastic and decisive action....
Posted by Dan 2004-3-12 12:24:35 PM||   2004-3-12 12:24:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Anitwar - you are one twisted mother F!@#%*@.......you and your kind believe that everyone is your brother - while noble - very naive. you cannot force someone to like. what these arab asshats have done is declare war big time...the gloves are off and war is dirty..... you should just thank god that there are people who will do the dirty work so you and your kind can still express your views. you should go and join your brethern in syria -- only problem is people like are all talk and no action.
these times require drastic and decisive action....
Posted by Dan 2004-3-12 12:24:38 PM||   2004-3-12 12:24:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Anitwar - you are one twisted mother F!@#%*@.......you and your kind believe that everyone is your brother - while noble - very naive. you cannot force someone to like. what these arab asshats have done is declare war big time...the gloves are off and war is dirty..... you should just thank god that there are people who will do the dirty work so you and your kind can still express your views. you should go and join your brethern in syria -- only problem is people like are all talk and no action.
these times require drastic and decisive action....

seems kinka funny that the guys let go so far said it wasn't bad...like that little old man for afghanistand let go last summer - he stated the food was great...but then again these aholes came from a more privalaged place than afganistan.
your a dumbass not really see what is going on -- no war for just the sake of no war is meaningless - just means you take the blows while not responding.
Posted by Dan 2004-3-12 12:29:00 PM||   2004-3-12 12:29:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Antiwar and / or muck4doo - If you're inclined to believe this guy, kindly explain to me how someone catches frostbite in a tropical zone.

That statement alone ought to set your BS meters off, but somehow I doubt it.
Posted by Raj 2004-3-12 12:40:32 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2004-3-12 12:40:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#28  antiwar get frostbite? im sorry hear that. i got that a one time and still cant feel my toe. get well sonn antiwar!
Posted by muck4doo 2004-3-12 1:12:32 PM||   2004-3-12 1:12:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Mucky, in your honor, I'm going to Ruth's Chris tonight and have that giant Porterhouse. I've been debating the question all morning, but your posts settled the issue. Thanx! And, BTW, are you sure the frostbite was in your toe? I know, with debilitations such as yours, that sort of detail can be awfully confusing - so I was just wondering.
Posted by .com 2004-3-12 1:22:46 PM||   2004-3-12 1:22:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Al Mirror knows its audience.
They don't really expect anyone to believe this, it simply supplies a source for those who get their kicks pretending to believe outrageous lies, druggies, neurotic authoritarians, arrogant pop-culture conformists, pompous bigots.

"Antiwar," I not only don't believe this shit, I don't believe that you and the other terror-apologists believe it yourselves.

Pacifism is a lie, a criminal cult allowing nihilist power-seekers to cause untold damage and misery while clothing themselves in the trappings of traditional middle-class moralism.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-3-12 1:37:41 PM||   2004-3-12 1:37:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 muck4doo - sorry, I was referencing the wrong link:

Describing medical treatment, Jamal said he knew of 11 men who had legs amputated and two who lost toes and fingers. He was told that the Americans had removed far more tissue than was necessary.

HE added: "The man in the cell next to me had frostbite in two fingers and two toes. He also had it in his big toe, but they didn't treat that for a year by which time they had to cut off much more than was needed.

"All the men who had lost limbs complained they would chop them off high up and not bother to try to save as much as possible."

My question, of course, remains. How do people get frostbite ina tropical (i.e, very warm, sunny) zone? I eagerly await a serious reply.
Posted by Raj 2004-3-12 1:50:51 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2004-3-12 1:50:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Ex foggy-headed liberal democrat, now clear-thinking conservative republican female ranter says:

They’re not all this way, but . . .

# 1) This particular type of Muslim male LOVES to lie--makes him feel like a "real man." In fact, he clearly demonstrates (i.e. DEFINES) the "Islamic"/Arab penchant for emotional "storytelling" geared to get the "Really? They did what? No! Tell us more--especially the details about the women. OOPS. Uh, we mean, how terrible! Those Crusader pigs! Death to Satan America! Destroy the Infidel occupiers! Um . . . hey, what were those American women like, did you say?" response from his colleagues. Very gullible westerners, like antiwar, are just an added bonus to guys like this (dear anti--WAR: this guy is making WAR on you--on YOUR brain, on YOUR emotions, on YOUR opinions, and, he hopes, on YOUR CIVIL ACTIVISM! After all, it's an election year. He's probably working for J. F. K. (not) Kerry. No doubt, antiwar, et al, you're already chanting the mantra "Damn that George Bush and his prostitute concentration camps serving flat colas! What's an Islamic terrorist sympathizer to do? I know! I'll vote for boy scout Kerry. I’m sure that little incident between Kerry and the intern was just a mistake . . !” Antiwar: If you’re going to call yourself “antiwar,” then at least be consistent! You’re being played and it’s embarrassing.

# 2) This particular type of Muslim male actually has a very DIRTY MIND and HATES WOMEN because he's personally threatened by them--an inner psychic conflict going on 24/7. (He probably--like most of these guys--is a porn addict and goes to strip joints when he's not in our jails, because the truth is that he's NOT a real man at all capable of a meaningful relationship with a woman based on mutual respect and devotion, and never will be). Besides-- "forced" to touch a naked woman's body is “torture” for a guy? That's a good one! Sure goes against the hardwiring. I can only imagine the abolute “brutality” of such a “psychologically maiming” strategy. American GI to prisoner: “Touch her Mr. Islamic Terrorist! I said, touch her! No, not there. There. Over to the right a little. I mean it! Go on now . . . !" Or perhaps Jamal is desperately trying to assert that it was so very tough on those “poor, innocent, pure-as-the-driven-snow” prisoners because of their deep and abiding regard for the sensitivities of female-kind. I’ll bet it just broke their little hearty-heart-hearts to see women disrespected and treated so badly by those ruthless American soldiers. Wait--I thought everyone already knows that forcing women to be humiliated, degraded, forced into prostitution, and sexually abused on a routine basis, is actually an Islamic-terrorist-type specialty (no doubt the reason his own sick mind came upon the idea for this ridiculous “shocker”). And the menstrual blood thing is REALLy amazing! Totally offensive to any reader and especially upsetting to women readers. Interesting that he didn’t claim that GI’s smeared urine, or semen, or feces on the prisoners--or even pig blood. Wonder why . . . ? Could it be that the report is designed to be the “end all of end alls” of gross humiliation against the “worthy” Islamic male by “evil” female aggressors, as all women are (in his demented mind)? In any case, his claim is definitely guaranteed to send every black-blooded Islamic to his machine gun! It reminds me of the “US Marines have to kill their parents and eat a live baby to rise in rank” story they like to float around. Too much!

#3) I went to college with these clowns--the “educated” “cream of the crop” types of the Islamic world--20 some years ago--and they were just the same then: stupid, irrational, narrow-minded, irresponsible, oppressive, given to hysteria, and wanting to blow up America in order to get rid of the Jews in Palestine.

#4) My personal opinion about Jamal is that “black and blue” happens to goes nicely with brown (skin), that the snakes and scorpions were probably just investigating the rumor that evil human archetypes of the same had invaded the island (the good snakes and scorpions were simply checking out prisoner cage security so they themselves could sleep witnout worries), and that the “Extreme Reaction Force” Jamal refers to, is only a psychoanalytic moniker for his own mental illness. Finally, I think he should be happy we rescued him from the Taliban. I don’t think their prisons are as comfy as ours, cola or no cola.
Posted by ex-lib 2004-3-12 3:14:58 PM||   2004-3-12 3:14:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Raj, he probably got that frostbite in Afghanistan, and then claims it wasn't treated in Gitmo.

Apart from that, I'm sure something bit him but that was not frost.

But I have a suggestion for the Mirror: Offer 100 G for the story: I WAS A PROSTITUTE IN GUANTANAMO!

I mean, for money they talk, too....
Posted by True German Ally 2004-3-12 3:32:30 PM||   2004-3-12 3:32:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Ex-lib, Good job.
Posted by ed 2004-3-12 3:40:26 PM||   2004-3-12 3:40:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Too bad I couldn't get the contract to "torture" these dumbs$$$$. I could have had some FUN! Can you imagine supplying Playboy toilet paper? Air HBO 24/7, with the volume just high enough you have to strain to hear - and have it all dubbed in Finnish. The things I could have done, all nice and pleasant-like to warp, twist, fold, spindle, and mutilate the minds of my A-rab brothers. They'd have PLEADED to go to Siberia! Instead, they were well-treated, fed decent meals (instead of 40-year-old K-rats), given access to the Koran, even had chaplains assigned to minster to their spiritual needs (I'd have hired Jerry Falwell and Jimmy Bakker, myself...). Even with all that, they complain. Some people just don't know when to STFU!
Posted by Old Patriot  2004-3-12 4:10:54 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm]  2004-3-12 4:10:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 LuuuuCKY, LuuuuCKY, LuuuuCKY git back here we're starting to worry.
Posted by Shipman 2004-3-12 5:13:35 PM||   2004-3-12 5:13:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Let's keep exlib and trade mucky and antiwar. We should be willing to give an undisclosed draft choice to anyone who will take them. Although I might miss mucky.
Posted by Sgt.DT  2004-3-12 5:29:05 PM||   2004-3-12 5:29:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 I heard that Jamal al-Harith is going to become President Kerry's minister of 'truth'. The Brits must be proud of that one.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2004-3-12 5:44:03 PM||   2004-3-12 5:44:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 I don't recall hearing any of these guys complaining of the Mac Donalds or Pizza Hut or the hookah.
Posted by Anonymous 2004-3-12 6:28:50 PM||   2004-3-12 6:28:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 If nothing else it's a good screening mechanism: anyone who comes back screaming of mistreatment is probably hard-core AQ.

Extreme Reaction Force would probably be Quick Reaction Force (QRF). Discipline cases would get some bruises and spend a lot of time in restraints as is common in any prison. Bland food is a standard part of the conveyor. It probably wouldn't hurt to add some food coloring to the gruel or water, or it could just be hallucinated. For a Pushtun or Arab lad who's never seen an unveiled woman, doubtlessly a female interrogator or translator in a T-shirt and BDU trou would seem "naked." I've read of Soviet interrogators urinating on hard cases after a week or two on the conveyor. It was a sure fire way to break a man. The fact that the Guantanamo subjects didn't talk about it for four weeks after seems to support the fact that they were broken and were looking for some excuse to justify talking. I'm not saying that US personnel did anything in violation of the Geneva Conventions, but I'm with OP on this one. Sign me up. I'd love to play with these guys' minds.
Posted by 11A5S 2004-3-12 6:43:10 PM||   2004-3-12 6:43:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Cyber Sarge: Yeah--what a great job for Jamal . . . He and Johnny go way back, and way forward, and way back . . .

Did you hear J.F.K. (not) Kerry's recent on-the-campaign-trail "off mike" (oh sure, right) clandestine-type comment about how "corrupt" and "scary" Pres. GB is? Definitely designed to alarm the undecided, brain-dead. "Wow, what does Kerry know? He knows something we don't . . . he's definitely got my vote. I've never trusted government."

11A5S: What minds? You’re giving them too much credit!

Sgt. DT: Huh?

Atomic Conspiracy: I enjoyed your posting #30. I knew this guy once--a professional “pacifist”--who used to hang out at the university I went to. He would organize demonstrations and the like. He was about 50-ish years old. When I left he was still there, and when I came back to the campus five years later, he was STILL there, doing the same thing. No one ever questioned him because of the student turnover. When I saw him I said, JOE . . . you’re still here! Joe, what do you do for a living? Joe, who pays you to hang around . . .? Boy, did he scram. Then I saw him at another university in another town in the same state. He freaked when he saw me. Pacifists? They have an agenda, and it ain’t “peace.”
Posted by ex-lib 2004-3-12 7:11:01 PM||   2004-3-12 7:11:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Acually (IRF) would stand for immediate reaction force but it's all the same thing
the water is not brown and the food is not 10 years past sell by date and just so you know the water is the same water that the mp's drink
the "shackels of horror" is simply a belly chain with legs and hands cuffs. the same as in a normal jail. no spikes or anything like that. there is no use of batons and hitting a detainee is not permited. and every time the IRF is used there is also a camera to witness
this is from the inside
Posted by Anonymous 2004-3-12 7:15:43 PM||   2004-3-12 7:15:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 #42 Anon: thanks for the info (not that I'm surprised)
Posted by ex-lib 2004-3-12 8:41:13 PM||   2004-3-12 8:41:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#44  Hookers in Guantanamo!!! Patriotic ones, too!!! Freshly flown in from Norfolk, Virginia!!!

Not Norfolk - Havana. Cuba's frozen out of those lucrative Iraq rebuilding contracts. Overcharging all those Hollywood sycophants who show up to slobber all over Castro only goes so far. What tourists that are there are vacationing on the cheap. Cuba needs the money and hookers are its most marketable product. Q.E.D.
Posted by Pappy 2004-3-12 10:02:19 PM||   2004-3-12 10:02:19 PM|| Front Page Top

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