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2003-11-17 Home Front

Wesleyâs Secret Master to Save Democrat Party?

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Posted by mojo 2003-11-17 11:06:21 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Not going to happen. George W. Bush will trample all over any of the Democrats right now, including Hillary. Hillary can see this and will wait until 2008 when the War On Terror will be over (in most people's minds at least) and she can go against Cheney (whos healthy, lack of public appearances, and Haliburtan connections make far more vunerable).

I think the suggestions that the Clinton's are sabotaging the Democrats is more likely, ensuring that they get trounced makes her riding in on a white horse in 2008 that much more likely.

Posted by Yank 2003-11-17 11:12:45 AM|| 2003-11-17 11:12:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Via Drudge: Wes has "character and integrity issues" -
When at a forum in September, retired Gen. Hugh Shelton was asked if he would support retired Gen. Wesley Clark for president, Shelton, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, quickly took a drink of water. "That question makes me wish it were vodka," Shelton said. "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."

Which was bad enough, but on November 6, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf appeared on CNBC's Capital Report, hosted by Gloria Borger and Alan Murray, who asked him what he thought of Clark. "I think the greatest condemnation against him . . . came from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when he was a NATO commander. I mean, he was fired as a NATO commander," Schwarzkopf replied, "and when Hugh Shelton said he was fired because of matters of character and integrity, that is a very, very damning statement, which says, `If that's the case, he's not the right man for president,' as far as I'm concerned."

Shelton has refused to expand on his remarks, and Schwarzkopf isn't providing details, either. So Clark was understandably miffed when he responded on the campaign trail the next day: "I haven't talked to General Schwarzkopf since 1991, when I interviewed him in his headquarters about what he liked and didn't like about the Army. He left the Army shortly after that; haven't seen him in 12 years. He didn't ask me anything about it. So he's certainly entitled to his opinion, but I think America should hold people to a high standard."

Posted by Frank G 2003-11-17 11:44:08 AM|| 2003-11-17 11:44:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I don't see Cheney running in 2008, barring some weird set of circumstances (Bush dies/is assassinated, so Cheney is in the Oval office already going into the 2008 elections). His health issues would dominate if he were to run for Pres in 2008 (coming off a 2-term Bush presidency). I don't think the Repubs would be that stupid...

Posted by Carl in N.H. 2003-11-17 11:59:17 AM|| 2003-11-17 11:59:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Bush/Rice in 2004! Mwa Hahahahahaha!

Posted by JP 2003-11-17 12:59:15 PM|| 2003-11-17 12:59:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I predicted Hillary would run for the Presidency in the "futures". I guess I should have put down 9 months instead of 3.

Anyway, enough of my ego. This could be bad if it happens for two reasons. First, Hillary will get the women's vote simply because she is one. Second, every Democrat will rally behind her, praying for the 'good ol days.' Despite the Democratic party falling apart, they still have the ability to win in 2004 with the right campaigning.

Posted by Charles 2003-11-17 1:00:41 PM|| 2003-11-17 1:00:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Charles, I would crawl across broken glass to vote against Evita.

Posted by Anonymous 2003-11-17 1:45:44 PM|| 2003-11-17 1:45:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 It's HILLARY! Charles, your damn right. And it scares the hell out of me. I'm tell'n you Dem canidates. Attack HILLARY! Do that and your relevant. Don't do that and your a puddle of piss.

Posted by Lucky 2003-11-17 1:57:13 PM|| 2003-11-17 1:57:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Hillary has the highest "disapproval" rating of any US politician. She needs to sit aside for another 4 years and let people forget a bit.

I agree with JP a Bush/Rice ticket would be perfect for 2004. Removes the Cheney health issue and sets Rice up to be the candidate in 2008. Then you have woman vs woman (Rice vs Hillary) going into 2004 and I personally think Rice would clean Hillary's clock in any debates.

Posted by Yank 2003-11-17 1:57:53 PM|| 2003-11-17 1:57:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded political animal. (Is that redundant?) The only reason she hasn't pole vaulted the current crop of Democrat candidates is that she sees a very real possibility of a Bush landslide in '04.

Point #1 - You haven't seen 'negative turnout' until there is a Hillary candidacy. (See Anon's comment above.)

Point #2 regarding attacking her. HRC's approval numbers go up when she plays victim. Not sure how a staunch feminist can live with that kind of thing... but then I'm of the opinion that the Left either thrives on Cognitive Dissonance, or are just wired so differently that they don't even experience it when holding contradictory thoughts at the same time.

Posted by eLarson 2003-11-17 2:16:14 PM|| 2003-11-17 2:16:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 J.P. I would definately vote for a Bush / Rice ticket. Like I said before she has balls of steel. If you dont see Rice as VP then she may be State.

On the other hand I would not underestimate Billary. I kind of laughed when she ran for Senator thinking NY would never vote for an outsider who would so obviously pursue her own agenda rather then the voters.

Posted by CrazyFool 2003-11-17 4:04:32 PM|| 2003-11-17 4:04:32 PM|| Front Page Top

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