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2003-11-17 Europe

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Posted by Steve 2003-11-17 9:22:50 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Thank you Steve,

A must for Bulldog to read!

Posted by Murat 2003-11-17 9:28:38 AM|| 2003-11-17 9:28:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The words of Gerez were covered by Los Angeles Times newspaper of the U.S.

in all likelihood then, he never said anything of the sort

Posted by Frank G 2003-11-17 10:02:35 AM|| 2003-11-17 10:02:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The Rabbi asked for the new synagogue to be built in a safer place. Murat wants to raze the other 16 to make sure the Jews ~~know their place~~ are safe.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-11-17 10:05:09 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-11-17 10:05:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I watched a program on the news the other night about the Jewish Turks. Apparently out of the ME, the Jews in Turkey have the best relations w/Muslims inside their country. As Turkey is possibly the most secular of the ME countries & has the closest ties w/Israel out of any Muslim majority nation. I think if the Jewish leaders of Turkey want to move their Synagogues in order to 'harden' them up against terror attacks in order to protect their congregations and civilians in the area - then good. However, they should not be 'forced' to move. Time will tell.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-11-17 10:43:46 AM|| 2003-11-17 10:43:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 In Turkey Jews and Muslims go well and have very friendly relations, actually it is not because Turkey is secular but because Turkey is not Arab, Turks and Jews have never had quarrel. The first Jews who got sanctuary in Turkey, where in the inquisition times around 1600BC, when Jews fled the Christian inquisition in Spain. They got sanctuary and land from the Sultan who was also the Caliphe.

The second time was during WW2 when thousands of Jews fled Hitlers armies, I remember well while I was a little kid there where Jewish neighbourhoods in my town, later most of them moved to Israel and the US.

Posted by Murat 2003-11-17 11:02:29 AM|| 2003-11-17 11:02:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 For a long time researchers in ancient Spanish went to... Turkey since Turkish Jews were the only people in world who spoke Spanish like in 1492.

But I heard of a Sultan who used to kill any Jew he met after sunset (he also did this to Christians so he was not anti-semitic :-).

I disagree with Murat about the lack of relationship between Turkey's lack of antisemitism and secularity: many of Mustafa Kemal's reforms reflect a will of reducing Arab influence in Turkey. I really think he was not fond of them. It was logical for his successors to adopt a policy of "the ennemy of my ennemy is my friend" and keep good relations, even military cooperation, with Israel.

Disclaimer: France is a shitty place to learn about Mustafa Kemal, specially if you don't speak a word of Turkish.

Posted by JFM 2003-11-17 3:17:33 PM|| 2003-11-17 3:17:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Most places are.I think that's because we're always more interested in what's nearest. I know much more about American and English history than I do about French history, and I had lotsa trouble finding books on the Holy Roman Empire. Until I started studying Russian, I knew next to nothing about Russian history, and it's only through purposeful reading that I know anything about Arab, Persian, Turkish, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, and Southeast Asian history.

I do know enough about Turkish history to recall that many of the sultans were pretty loopy. It probably came from growing up secluded, but with the knowledge that if you weren't the next sultan you were going to be culled when Pop died. They disposed of potential rivals by having them strangled.

Posted by Fred 2003-11-17 8:37:02 PM|| 2003-11-17 8:37:02 PM|| Front Page Top

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