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2003-04-26 Europe

Turkey asks U.S. ambassador to clarify remarks by Garner

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-04-26 09:36 am|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I am still waiting for Bush-Powell to use the magic words for Iraq: SECULAR CONSTITUTION. Then again, those "faith based" bozos aren't too happy with secularism in America.

Posted by Anonon 2003-04-26 10:01:16|| 2003-04-26 10:01:16|| Front Page Top

#2 The problem in America is that "Secularism" has become a de-facto "religion" among some of it's followers -- and their behavior and attitutes are as intolerant as the worst of the "religious religions".

Those followers are trying to make secularism into a "state religion" and marginalize the "religious" religions to the fringes of society.

Communism was often called "a religion without a god".

This is similar -- and no more desirable.

Posted by Glenn 2003-04-26 10:33:25|| 2003-04-26 10:33:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Anonon - yeah, isn't it terrible how our faith-based gov't forces have been harrassing atheists, muslims, hindus, buddhists, jews....herding them into concentration camps and re-education programs?
Idiot. You don't have to have (any) religion to have a human-values based society, but it sure helps. The antidote to theocracy states like Iran and Pakistan and Soddy is an educated populace (i.e.: not in madrassas) and separation of church and state. That doesn't mean faith-based programs and charities are bad, just that you can't make any one religion the "official" religion. Why do you think Soddy et al prohibit or suppress all other religions? Because of the inherent weakness of Islam in the face of educated choices

Posted by Frank G 2003-04-26 11:56:41|| 2003-04-26 11:56:41|| Front Page Top

#4 First, we don't have a faith based govn't! We have a separation between church and state for a reason; that is to protect minoreties. So, what ever position you are pushing the USA is not a country expressly for any single religion. That is the way it is. George Bush may be christian but, it doesn't mean the gov't is. The US gov't has no religion; period! That is the way the Supreme court rules it, thus that is the way it is. Therefore it is secular! I hate to burst your bubble.

Posted by George 2003-04-26 13:47:37|| 2003-04-26 13:47:37|| Front Page Top

#5 Let's level, the Faith Based Initatives are both unconstitutional (they don't pass Lemon and they aren't under Article I or II) and they're a colossal waste of money.

To draw an equivalence, however, between the AKP and the Republican Party is the highpoint of stupidity, troll.

Posted by Brian 2003-04-26 15:36:58|| 2003-04-26 15:36:58|| Front Page Top

#6 I disagree Brian about ALL of them being a colossal waste of money: Sure, you'll have a few abusers. However, I think the danger of the Faith Based Initiative is that we'll get MORE abusers, in addition to the questionable constitutionality.

to spare Fred his bandwidth, I've posted my opinions on my website.. Secularlists may not "relate" to it, but I think it's a good reference to e-mail to someone you feel is a sincere believer who supports the initiative, but hasn't weighed the downsides.

Posted by Ptah 2003-04-26 21:38:15|| [www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2003-04-26 21:38:15|| Front Page Top

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