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2004-12-07 Europe
Muslims must integrate, says German conservative leader
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Posted by Steve 2004-12-07 12:42:59 PM|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Turkey must be barred from joining the European Union due to its "culture" and Muslims in Germany have to make far bigger efforts to integrate, Bavarian Premier Edmund Stoiber told opposition conservatives on Tuesday.

Out in the open now, is it?
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-07 1:27:06 PM||   2004-12-07 1:27:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Sheesh. What part of "We are Muslims First, Last, and Always" is unclear?

No gov't (and I mean none) seems to "get it" yet - or, at least, not publicly anyway. Sigh.
Posted by .com 2004-12-07 1:30:58 PM||   2004-12-07 1:30:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 haha serves you right, good luck with that Fritz. I'm sure in a generation you'll be able to tell us that sharia isn't all bad.
Posted by JerseyMike 2004-12-07 1:56:05 PM||   2004-12-07 1:56:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 "Our nation demands from immigrants the will to integrate"

"Ve haf vays to make you intergrate"
Posted by Steve  2004-12-07 2:20:36 PM||   2004-12-07 2:20:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 10 years ago I might have scoffed at his xenophobia...now I know it's well-founded!

And though much of this is at Turkey's expense, I'm less Turk friendly since they blocked the Northern route to Iraq (which we are STILL paying for!)

Good luck Deutschland!
Posted by Justrand 2004-12-07 2:50:54 PM||   2004-12-07 2:50:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Many of the Turks in Germany are second and even third generation. They don't speak Turkish, and they resent their reality as second class citizens. Its the alQaeda types who come for the free university and space to plot to establish the Caliphate who are more of a concern.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-12-07 3:11:49 PM||   2004-12-07 3:11:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Trainling wife, I agree completely! In any culture (and obviously including our own) those who choose to participate and assimilate are not the problem. And assimilation doesn't have to include any loss of the original culture...just a willingness to work within the new one, including language and laws.

The Turks have been staunch allies for some time. But blocking us access to Northern Iraq at the start of the invasion is still troubling.
Posted by Justrand 2004-12-07 3:44:56 PM||   2004-12-07 3:44:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I'd have a little more sympathy for these f'ers had they seen a little clearer two years ago. They's goin to be more and more Europeen eyes opened as time goes by. These curvy knifed folks don't assimilate well.
Posted by Hank 2004-12-07 6:18:25 PM||   2004-12-07 6:18:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Hank don't you think in the interests of full disclosure you should mention that you are in direct competition with these fellas in the Home Heating Industry?
Posted by Shipman 2004-12-07 7:52:58 PM||   2004-12-07 7:52:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 ahhhh the Propane Sage of Arlin, TX™?
Posted by Frank G  2004-12-07 8:11:32 PM||   2004-12-07 8:11:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I did attend the congress. And yes I agree.
Nobody will force Turks to eat bratwurst. The key problem is the language. Children only speak Turkish at home and with their friends. Many Turks can't read three sentences of German fluently at High School.
This is not xenophobia, this is common sense. We can't allow imams trained in Saudi Arabia flown into Germany teaching Muslim kids to hate kufr Germany. We don't want parts of our cities to become extraterritorial like some Parisian banlieu slum.
Quite a few Turks agree with that assessment btw.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-12-07 11:53:21 PM||   2004-12-07 11:53:21 PM|| Front Page Top

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