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2004-12-28 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Fred 2004-12-28 00:00:00|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 F**kin Duh.

Waited till the re-run of the election was finished. I takes a heap o' gall to be Hillary.

Posted by .com 2004-12-28 12:47:40 AM|| 2004-12-28 12:47:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Hildabeast is a socialist slimeball, but she is not a stooopid socialist slimeball, like JFfairy and Albore. She has likely noticed that there are significant Ukrainian communities in Ohio(20 electoral votes), Pennsylvania ( 21 electoral votes), New Jersey ( 15 electoral votes)etc. So while GWB is embracing ex-KGB-with soulful blue eyes, Putin, Hildabeast is making like a Commie fighter for the press corps. She has also recently criticized the WH for allowing a porous border to exist with Mexzico, while GWB was having his annual hug fest with Vincent and the other thug-leaders from S. America.

Posted by joeblow 2004-12-28 1:07:02 AM|| 2004-12-28 1:07:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 That pic of Hillary? Ugh.... double ugh.... wonder if that is one that was taken when the FDNY booed her as she entered stage right, at a fund raiser, just after 9-11?

A salute? After how she treated those gallant Marines whose call to duty required the protection of "Broomstick One?"

I may be from Arkansas (now longer in Texas than AR), but cheezzzz.... we are back to polls of where to go on vacation.... and what beach to dance on to show our love. Now, we salute and support the "Orange Revolution."

Posted by Sherry 2004-12-28 1:23:09 AM|| 2004-12-28 1:23:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The United States should back Ukraineâs struggle for democracy by inviting the new president to Washington for a state visit, but only if the elections are free and fair,..

The U.S. should back Ukraine's struggle for democracy?? BRILLIANT!

(spoken the the tune of the latest Guinness commercial)

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-28 3:25:24 AM|| 2004-12-28 3:25:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 The United States should back Ukraineâs struggle for democracy by inviting the new president to Washington for a state visit

And arrange a meeting between Hillary and Kateryna Chumachenko Yushchenko who was, I read in Tukip Girl blog "a more pro-freedom Reaganite you could not meet"

Posted by SwissTex 2004-12-28 11:06:20 AM|| 2004-12-28 11:06:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Sorry, it's TulipGirl

Posted by SwissTex 2004-12-28 11:07:49 AM|| 2004-12-28 11:07:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Day late and dollar short, Hildabeest.

We did back their struggle for democracy while it was going on, but quietly - unlike the heavy-handed ~~KGB~~ Putin. But now that you know who won, you speak up. Typical political bullshit.

I'm surprised her finger hasn't frozen and fallen off by now, putting it up as much as she does to see which way the wind is blowing before she commits.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-12-28 11:18:27 AM|| 2004-12-28 11:18:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 When faced with Democracy she had no other choice but to acccept it. You all think this is crazy but this is exactly what people lapped up about Billy Jeff. To hear her on the news she sounds quite sincere and honest and that is what most people are hearing. We need to shine the light on her or we will end up with that witch in the White House AGAIN. That also means not nominating someone that will turn off conservative voters.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-12-28 12:29:28 PM|| 2004-12-28 12:29:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Sarge, you sound like a Democrat. The Donks may end up with her at the top of the ticket, and probably will in '08. But the country won't end up with her in the White House. Most know her and love her or hate her. The haters exceed the lovers and those not in either group will not split in her favor strongly enough for her to ever see the inside of the White House without an invitation, so rest easy.

And if you are a Democrat, think of '08 as therapy. It is something the Democrats will have to go through to return to the real world.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-12-28 12:36:02 PM|| 2004-12-28 12:36:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh-oh. Mendiola will set the cap lock key on "kill" when he sees this.

Posted by tu3031 2004-12-28 12:37:52 PM|| 2004-12-28 12:37:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Joe got the hots for Hill?

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-12-28 12:42:33 PM|| 2004-12-28 12:42:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Sarge, you sound like a Democrat.
Joe got the hots for Hill?
Mrs. Davis, I think you read our msgs. but missed our points. While it is true that Broomhilda and Billy Jeff do not represent our flavor of politics, we should not be so cocky as to ignore their obvious strengths as political animals. Billy Jeff did not rise to the Oval Office from the backwoods of Arkansas because of his politics-rather it was because of his excellent politicking and gamesmanship skills. I would even suggest to you that there were a fair number of RB'ers, GOP voters now, who voted for Billy Jeff 2X in a row. I was not one of them, nor do I think Sarge was. What about you?

Broomhilda has been Billy Jeff's understudy, his adoring pupil. Do not under estimate her skills. Every day from now until 2008, she is positioning herself and changing the image that voters are storing in their memory files. Two years from now instead of remembering Hildabeast for Travelgate Vince Foster and the failed socialized medicine scheme, they will remember her as the Ukraine's most vocal supporter and the only Senator who has serious worries about the porous southern border. The GOP need to neutralize her every move starting yesterday. GWB is not running for the Oval Office again, his main goal is legacy so he could care less about checkmating Hildabeast. The GOP movers and shakers better start caring and fast.

Posted by joeblow 2004-12-28 1:18:10 PM|| 2004-12-28 1:18:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 joeblow - Mrs D was responding to #10 - and the reference is to another poster here. He is, shall we say, colorful - particularly in his use of the Caps Lock key and a shorthand notation for which most of us have no Rosetta Stone to decipher.

Sorry to butt-in...

Posted by .com 2004-12-28 1:30:23 PM|| 2004-12-28 1:30:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Every day from now until 2008, she is positioning herself and changing the image that voters are storing in their memory files.
Heh heh heh, if you thought we had a lot of files stored on the life history of the Senator from Cambodia, just wait till the Hildabeast begins to run.

Posted by Steve 2004-12-28 2:17:02 PM|| 2004-12-28 2:17:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I thought someone was working on the Rosetta Stone?

Posted by Shipman 2004-12-28 2:46:49 PM|| 2004-12-28 2:46:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 I've got OWG - One World Government. Y'all are on your own on the rest ;-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 2:56:14 PM|| 2004-12-28 2:56:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Perhaps she should have lunch with the Secret Police.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-28 3:06:15 PM|| 2004-12-28 3:06:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Y'all looking for her Achilles Heel? It's not difficult-she is the most horrible kind of role model for women there is: a strident masochist who sold out her feminist principles so she wouldn't have to give up an adulterous spouse. Now, it's true we can't hold her accountable for HIS actions (1) besmirching the presidency by committing adultery in the White House, 2)with an intern-a person connected with the government), 3) subsequently committing perjury about it, 4) reopening the shame and celebrating his disdain for women by saying he did it "because he could". But as a feminist, I DO hold her responsible for subconsciously promoting the notion that other women, with less means, money or support systems, should follow the same path. She could have used the unfortunate "opportunity" Clinton presented her with to help better women's lives. She could have simply said from the first lady's own bully pulpit, "This has been a humiliating and damaging experience. For all those watching out there now who feel sympathy for me, I hope you take this as an opportunity to make sure cheaters you know, even loved family members, understand how this behavior tears apart families. It's the 21st century-it's time to come to grips with what affairs do to relationships. It is not acceptable." All of which is true and would have helped many women and men find the backbone to NOT accept adultery in their homes, to EXPECT fidelity, and in those rare cases when it is violated, EXPECT amends. Instead, like a good little masochist,she swallowed his disgrace for him. Instead she 1)remained silent publicly, 2) as first lady, a model/mentor/figurehead for young women across the country, she encouraged them to believe through her acquiescence that this is normal behavior women will just have to suffer through-no matter how many children are fathered outside marriage/a monogamous relationship. Which, BTW, COULD have happened with Monica, had things progressed.

I am a feminist-and this is the primary reason she lost me.

Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-28 3:27:04 PM|| 2004-12-28 3:27:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Hmmmm.... purdy good Jules. Are you for OWG and against the SOCIALIST/FASCIST agenda that we are falling for? CLINTONISM/HILLBILL ACTION will never.... hell, I don't have the genes.... Go Joey! Take it from the Top!

Posted by Shipman 2004-12-28 5:06:27 PM|| 2004-12-28 5:06:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 ok, if i get called a Dimmi there's going to be a fight! JK ;-) Joeblow had me right. I was pointing out that this leopard will change spots ten times before 2008. Her hubby was WAY liberal, but presented a moderate stance in public debate. We need to prepare ourselves for the strong possibility that she will end up the top dog on the Dhimis ticket. With that in miind we need to make sure our top candidate is everything Bush is and then some. She will be well funded and have an interim campaign that she will run for national consumption. Look for many "on-the-scene" reports on the networks about how great the Hillary campaign is going and how great she is for the country. McCrab and Dangle can not compete with her on the national scale, so we need to look beyond them. I kind of like Condi but then I would LOVE to see Ann Coulter on the Supreme court.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-12-28 5:36:05 PM|| 2004-12-28 5:36:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 What's OWG?

Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-28 5:50:08 PM|| 2004-12-28 5:50:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 joeblow, before Nov 2 I might have agreed with you that Hillary was the one to watch for 2008: clearly positioning herself as a neo-centrist, supporting Bush for the most part on Iraq, getting involved in military issues.

However, if Nov 2 taught the Dems anything, it's that, yes, Karl Rove is correct: this is first and foremost a suburban nation, and the most important suburbs are the new ones far outside the cuty centers. Whoever controls the fast-growing "exurbs" will control this country's national politics for at least another decade.

And these exurbs are growing fastest outside of the coasts: central Florida especially and just about anywhere in the rectangle between Houston, Fort Collins CO, Salt Lake, and San Bernardino CA. These towns-- Plano, Texas; Orlando; Colorado Springs; Vegas; Phoenix-- are not Hillary country. She's simply too mired in the urban feminist anti-family agenda to even begin to grasp what these families really care about (hint: it has zip to do with abortion and everything to do with good schools and asset protection/property values).

I simply don't see Hillary appealing much to these folks. The Dems need to start looking for someone who can appeal to sunbelt suburbanites or they can kiss 2008 goodbye.

Posted by lex 2004-12-28 5:51:31 PM|| 2004-12-28 5:51:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 They'll run Obama.

Posted by .com 2004-12-28 5:58:31 PM|| 2004-12-28 5:58:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Too green. Ideally they would have a good bench full of accomplished governors from the southwest but I can't think of anyone of national stature; they've starved their bench for years and have nothing but old or corrupt or out-of-touch coastal senators.

Their ideal candidate would be an ex-military hispanic Obama type from San Antonio or Denver.

Posted by lex 2004-12-28 6:02:53 PM|| 2004-12-28 6:02:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Image over content.

Posted by .com 2004-12-28 6:04:06 PM|| 2004-12-28 6:04:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 If the Dems weren't dominated by coastal gazillionaire lawyers and bankers and brokers and ex-banker senators, they might have a clue about where the center of power lies in this country. My guess is the party hierarchy is too stupid, self-referential and/or corrupt to grasp it. Sort of like the same reason the NY Times is incapable of covering the suburbs with any competence or ability: "You're telling me to spend time in Plano TX or Orlando? Get outta here!"

Posted by lex 2004-12-28 6:06:19 PM|| 2004-12-28 6:06:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Image over content.

Not really: focus like the proverbial laser beam on the needs of your average middle-class or blue-collar southwestern suburban family, the very ones who contribute disproportionate numbers of reservists and grunts. Ask them what they care about, and you've got your agenda. Now go fight like hell for them, and you've got your campaign.

Posted by lex 2004-12-28 6:08:55 PM|| 2004-12-28 6:08:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 I'm glad they don't think like you and won't listen to you, lol!

I didn't toss out Obama without thinking about it for awhile, now. I read their blogs and news stories and this is what I believe they will do.

They will put a hood ornament on the rusting broken-down hulk and shine it up very nicely. And be absolutely astounded when they get hammered again.

Posted by .com 2004-12-28 6:20:38 PM|| 2004-12-28 6:20:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 yes, Karl Rove is correct
Karl Rove is smart and many times he is correct, but in the 2004 election Rove was very very lucky that the Dems ran Mutt and Jeff.

Think about the outcome if the Dems had run Colin Powell and Hildabeast or Zell Miller and Hildabeast. I think our party would be outside the Oval Office today but for the weak Democrat ticket.

In 2008 if the Dems get a respected clean cut statesman or war hero (facsimile products to Powell or Miller) to be on the ticket with ThunderThighs and defuse her "old baggage",the GOP might be in some trouble. Hildabeast has developed a reputation as a hard working respected Senator, I kid you not. Now she's on the march to project a "respected" persona to American voters outside NY by taking centrist, even conservative positions on national and international issues.

McCain and Guilliani leave me cold...too RINO/neocon and questionable personal life scandals. Jeb=too much Bush dynasty. We have no Prince being groomed in the GOP wings, while Hilda takes advantage of the next 4 years to embellish her image.

Posted by joeblow 2004-12-28 7:11:54 PM|| 2004-12-28 7:11:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 In 2008 if the Dems get a respected clean cut statesman or war hero (facsimile products to Powell or Miller) to be on the ticket

not likely. Mr. "I'm too friggin spooky to blink" Wesley Clark, maybe

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 7:23:59 PM|| 2004-12-28 7:23:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 They will put a hood ornament on the rusting broken-down hulk and shine it up very nicely. And be absolutely astounded when they get hammered again.

ROTFLMA. Too true. I don't know if you're right that they'll run Obama, but you're spot on about them shining up the hood ornament.

Posted by cingold 2004-12-28 7:29:41 PM|| 2004-12-28 7:29:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 not likely. Mr. "I'm too friggin spooky to blink" Wesley Clark, maybe
What about Schwarzkopf, a registered independent, for the Dems?

If that happened the GOP could try to recruit Tommy Franks. He's got great charisma, he's very articulate, he's a war hero for sure, and he's also very tall- 6 ft.6 in. Successful Presidential candidates usually are taller than their opponents- good that GWB is the exception to the rule!
various sources do claim that the taller candidate usually wins. For example, in Language on Vacation (1965), word and number buff Dmitri Borgmann claimed that in the 19 U.S. presidential elections between 1888 and 1960, the taller candidate won the popular vote all but once, when 6'2" Franklin Roosevelt beat 6'2-1/2" Wendell Willkie in 1940. In his 1982 book Too Small, Too Tall psychologist John Gillis presents similar results: in the 21 presidential elections from 1904 to 1984, the taller candidate won 80 percent of the time. What's more, he says, in the whole history of the Republic, only two presidents--Harrison and James Madison (5'4")--were appreciably shorter than the average height in their day.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_308.html

Posted by joeblow 2004-12-28 8:10:33 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:10:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 I've heard those facts - explains Tom Daschle standing on a box in debates... While I think the WOT will still be a major issue in '08, I don't see the Dems feeling they need to get a mil-guy on the ballot - it didn't do shit for them this year, in their minds. My fear is a reasonable Evan Bayh- type candidate - he could win the general, but I doubt he'd get outta the primaries. The Dems need to rein in the nuts and loons, and I don't think they can. All signs are that Dean will become the DNC Chairman...Yeeaarrgghh!

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-28 8:16:31 PM|| 2004-12-28 8:16:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 "In 2008 if the Dems get a respected clean cut statesman or war hero..."

I don't see how such a person could make it through the primaries. Unlike 1948, the extremists are the ones in charge and with the money. The moderates and liberals won't be able to purge them; it's more likely to be the other way around.

It's either going to be Hillary or a radical MoveOn type.

Posted by jackal 2004-12-28 10:21:54 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2004-12-28 10:21:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 ..they will remember her as the Ukraine's most vocal supporter..

I dunno, I'm thinking it's more opportunism than anything else...

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-28 10:30:34 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:30:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Is it just me or is Hillary about to, Hail Hitler, in that image?

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-12-28 10:35:19 PM|| 2004-12-28 10:35:19 PM|| Front Page Top

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