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2006-12-18 Southeast Asia

Indonesia: Tsunami Charity Cash Aiding Shariah Savagery

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Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2006-12-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 See also STRATEGYPAGE for artics on CHINA, RUSSIA, and NORTH KOREA. Norkie workers in SIBERIA are being beaten up by local Russians for taking jobs away from Russians, while Pyongyang basically controls + receives the paychecks of Norkie workers, wid the latter being little more than PC slaves. CAN'T SAVE MONEY = CAN'T SPEND MONEY. Meanwhile, Norkie refugees continue to sneak or enter into China but without seeing any UN FOOD AID meant for them - what is not taken for Kimmie or the DPRK Armed Forces is being sold or given to China by Pyongyang for econ $$$. IOW, KIMMIE STAYS FAT.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-12-18 01:06|| 2006-12-18 01:06|| Front Page Top

#2 No more aid to Muslim majority countries. Period. Has there been an instance yet where disaster relief somehow doesn't end up furthering Islamist agendas? Playing the soft touch now only guarantees having to wield the iron fist later.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-18 01:48|| 2006-12-18 01:48|| Front Page Top

#3 As the man who managed the Stingy List, I can say without fear that this story is tripe, balderdash, hooey.

Readers of this blog have known for years that sharia is a growing menace in indonesia. The formerly august Sunday Times of London conflates the growth of sharia with the donations for tsunami relief without producing one iota of evidence.

Indeed, buried in the story is the good news. The peace between the rebels and the national government is holding. The first free election in Aceh history was just held successfully. And... a former rebel has been elected Governor. It doesn't get much better than this.

There is no evidence that any donations have been diverted to the religious police. At worst, tens of dollars have been freed up to pay these thugs. Other than a flat statement that local governments are paying them, however, no evidence is produced to support the claim.

Please also note the anonymous quote from the UN official. They're well know for their honesty, right?

The area that the tsunami devestated is recovering slowly, for similar and for differing reasons.

Indonesia is a struggling democracy. Many of the planning functions we assume are part of a government do not exist or do not operate very well. Indonesian culture also does not operate at a 24/7 Western pace. Indonesia is attempting to comply with Western NGO and UN demands for city planning while dealing with hundreds of thousands of people who just want to move home and go back to work. The fly-in, fly-out NGOs and the UN have their noses out of joint because the Indonesians won't do exactly what these foreigners want.

Sri Lank is an example of what could have happened in Aceh. The national government has refused to allow much of the aid to reach the rebel-held areas stricken by the tsunami. In non-rebel areas they are working quite well with the fly-ins, having insisted that fishing villages move well inland and making the beaches available for tourism.

Thailand has recovered the best, but the Islamic rebellion has grown in proportion to that recovery, harming the tourist business.

Burma has denied all along that they suffered any damage. The Chinese Communists have an extensive network of companies and even a base or two on that coast.

India has endured multiple claims of corruption concedrning its management of the aid on their mainland. In the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, because of Indian military interests, the natives are being forced to abandon their homes and life styles.

Region-wide, the UN has stopped aid groups from providing fishing boats to the villages who lost their boats in the tsunami. The UN has determined that the region is overfished and so it is refusing to allow fishermen to have fishing boats.

I cannot stress enough that there are some very effective aid organizations. All of them have people on the ground 24/7, and nearly all of them are religion-based. You cannot provide aid from an office in London, Geneva or Jakarta. You have to be on site.

This story is typical of the attacks launched by the fly-ins and the UN. When the locals want a say in their future, or when they have different ideas, these stories pop up. The election in Aceh means that the "cooperative" government has been forced out and a truly local government elected. The UN and the fly-ins "just can't work with these people".

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2006-12-18 09:47|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org] 2006-12-18 09:47|| Front Page Top

#4 Thanks, Chuck, and I plead guilty on missing the quote from the anonymous UN official -- should have known better!

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-12-18 10:22|| 2006-12-18 10:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Well said Chuck. Disaster relief is choc full of corruption, headlining, and back stabbing by what you call "Fly in NGO's". Finding an NGO that will go further than a five star hotel, or stay longer than a day is difficult at best. Let alone finding one that really cares or understands what is needed and how to help. These NGO's are usually found with camera crews in tow and the crap they hand out is expired stuff or flat the wrong stuff, like 110v equipment and power cords. Outside NGO's rarely know how to move in country, let alone in a disaster area, leaving them open to getting ripped off or paying large bribes to get where they can get the "Money" shots to raise more funds. Then comes the chrisianity crap and trying to convert during a disaster. Indonesia is no exception and had all of this happen. Indonesia is far to complex a culture to try and determine what is best for it sitting in a western office or even in Jakarta.

There are some expert, fast moving NGO's out there that are impressive and make the Red Cross, UN, and USAID look like amatures but there are not many.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-12-18 11:33|| 2006-12-18 11:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Alright then, gentlemen, which NGOs are the effective ones? We need names, so that we know where to send our year-end charity donation.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-12-18 14:14|| 2006-12-18 14:14|| Front Page Top

#7 Wife, you're safest with any religious charity. If you're not religious, you can call the Salvation Army "non-religious" and give to them.

The Red Cross has both political and accountability issues. UNICEF and any United Nations fund, ditto. Some of the large NGO's are fly-ins.

Lokk at their web sites. If they talk about funding local programs, pause. If they talk about what their people are doing on site, consider.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2006-12-18 14:29|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org] 2006-12-18 14:29|| Front Page Top

#8 TW, Chuck is right. If you don't mind the Religious aspect, they are usually the best when it comes to your funds going to the needy and not the admin costs. Locally you can't beat the Salvation Army. It is the #1 NGO out there and gets my cash. I would not give a wood nickle to the Red Cross or any UN fund, unless you want to help Koffi and his family out. Of the Small NGO's Knightsbridge Int does a great job for small medcap events in hostile areas. REMEDY is a great program and I used it, with Knightbridge, to facilitate a hospital. THe Hospital was in Jolo on the island of Sulu and in dire need of new equipment and supplies. Knightbridge and Remedy brought it all in for free and we provided security. It was a great gig. Lastly, I will give a self serving plug here, you can go to Zambokids.org. That is the site my wife and I set up to help the orphans in Zamboanga Philippines. All of the funds go directly there to the kids.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-12-18 15:41|| 2006-12-18 15:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Give Aceh nothing.
As a charity, I am partial to the Barnabas Fund. They know the score, especially in regards to Muslims and haven't been inflicted by the multicultural "all religions are equal" meme. As they point out, it would never occur to a Muslim to help a non-Muslim, so why should Christian apologize for helping only Christians?

Posted by tipper 2006-12-18 16:02|| 2006-12-18 16:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Money is fungible.

Any aid to any muslim country for any disaster frees up money for the re-establishment of the caliphate.

Give. Them. Nothing.

Posted by Parabellum 2006-12-18 17:37|| 2006-12-18 17:37|| Front Page Top

#11 A bit more on the wonderful folks of Aceh here.

Posted by tipper 2006-12-18 18:04|| 2006-12-18 18:04|| Front Page Top

#12 Noted and saved to my PalmPilot, gentlemen. (You are male, tipper, yes?) Thank you.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-12-18 21:29|| 2006-12-18 21:29|| Front Page Top

#13 Jeebus, tipper, it's the same freakin' story. How about taking the time to read the thread?

Sharia law existed prior to the tsunami in parts of Indonesia. It's not new. The Times, and AP and UPI quoting the Times is just doing poor reporting.

For some information on the state of women in Aceh, read this. Their lot is not perfect, but the BS in this story is NOT common.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2006-12-18 22:30|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org] 2006-12-18 22:30|| Front Page Top

#14 Chuck, I realise it's the same story but with more detail, as I said "more here"
But if you read the Barnabas story, you will see that Christians are being denied houses which were built by Christian charities.
We have to go back to basics when we are dealing with Islamism, so as to have a coherent strategy.
Islamism is a fantasy religion with political aspirations, manifested by the introduction of sharia.
Just as South Africa had sanctions imposed on them because of Apartheid, so any country that imposes sharia (another form of Apartheid) on its people should have sanctions imposed on it, without apology.
The big discussion on Apartheid was the fact the sanctions often affected the poor, however in the long run it was agreed that this was unavoidable.
Witness the Palestinians learning curve going through convolutions since sanctions were imposed on them.
That is why I advocate giving Aceh nothing.

Posted by tipper 2006-12-18 23:41|| 2006-12-18 23:41|| Front Page Top

#15 (You are male, tipper, yes?)

Yup. A nic I acquired because I was born in Tipperary.

Posted by tipper 2006-12-18 23:55|| 2006-12-18 23:55|| Front Page Top

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