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2004-12-15 Home Front: WoT

Where Goes the U.S.-Turkish Relationship?

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Posted by tipper 2004-12-15 04:36|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Nowhere. Fast.

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While this is an extremely involved article chock full of interesting goodies, it is still a Turk shit sandwich piece lecturing the US on its Foreign Policy and, of course, detailing the myriad US "mistakes" made in dealing with these uber-sensitive creatures from Venus. It concludes, after setting the stage for something a tad more rational, with the irrational: "the onus" is on the US to prove it's good intentions toward the Turks despite the fact that the US has been their stalwart friend and biggest EU booster. This song has already received incessant play, there and elsewhere. Turkey's sensitivities are over the top in the string section, while Turkey's substantive reply has been for the US to fuck off cuz they're Euros, now.

Heh, not quite - in spite of faithful efforts by the US to help them. And regards that show of faith, the balance is heavily tilted the other way, when substance is tossed on the tray. The author posits that we can have an astounding level of influence - with the right tone of hand-holding and symbolic support, yet that would only take us back to the point we were when Turkey tossed out the baby and became an Islamic state and proceeded to stab us in the back over Iraq. What value is there in teasing Turkey back to the "staunch ally" status (I think we differ somewhat regards the meaning of that phrase, lol!) he believes (hopes) we desperately long for? Beats the shit outta me. The desperation is either overplayed / overwrought in his mind - or it's on the other side. The payoff? Stability in Northern Iraqi Kurdistan for Turkish investors, perhaps?

Gee, thanks. But no thanks. In the end, he's asking the US to willingly position itself such that Turkey can play us off against the EU, and vice versa... while pretending, for their sake, that the inconvenient events of the last 2 years didn't happen. Wow - what a deal. All's not forgiven and this guy's got his thumb on the balance. Hey, the US = bad mean bully simplisme cowboy crowd is gonna love this shit. Personally, I think it needs to simmer for awhile longer. Say a century or two -- or at least as long as is necessary for our starkly differing dictionaries to come back into synch.

But hey, that's just me.
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The Turks are obviously innocents here and we've gone and muddied the waters and hurt their feelings.

In Yoda-speak: Wronged them, we did. Fix it, we must.

Our bad.

Posted by .com 2004-12-15 9:20:22 AM|| 2004-12-15 9:20:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Who cares about US letting it simmer a while longer or not. We are not hurt in feeling, we are hurt in our pockets. The stupid cowboy in the west things he can fuck up the middle east and Turks should follow them like sheep, well the answer is: fuck you Yoda.
The crazy mad cowboy thinks: hey let's pull up embargo's against three of Turkeys neighbours and better invade one of them, unleash a genocide there while still expecting full support of Turkey because US is supposedly a stallwart friend!
Well with such friends we can flush our economy directly through the toilet.
Let see how "friend" America works:
1974 - 1981 US trade embargo against Turkey
1980 - 2004 US trade embargo against Iran
1990 - 2003 US trade embargo + 2 times wasting the country called Iraq
1978 - 2004 US embargo against Syria

And you wonder why the Turkish economy suffers? Don't call us friends, it sucks.

Posted by Murat 2004-12-15 9:51:44 AM|| 2004-12-15 9:51:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 You have some difficulty comprehending the meaning of the word genocide, don't you, Murat?

Posted by Bulldog 2004-12-15 9:54:56 AM|| 2004-12-15 9:54:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 3 minutes after Murat shows and that "Armenian thing" gets mentioned. Is that the new record?

Posted by tu3031 2004-12-15 9:58:33 AM|| 2004-12-15 9:58:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't wonder why the Turkish economy suffers - you do. So the thingy about Turkish investments in N. Iraq hit home, huh? Wow. Whaddya know. So you just want a little pocket money and you'll be a "staunch ally"? Lol! Right.

You stew, we'll move on. You can seethe for us, if it makes you feel better.

Posted by .com 2004-12-15 10:01:48 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:01:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "...refusing to open a northern front, the AKP majority in parliament effectively forced the United States to become dependent on Iraqi Kurdish militias. The Kurds now demand a reward for their participation, and Washington appears willing to oblige."
And so it should be.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-15 10:05:10 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:05:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Amen, Tom.

"Silly simplisme cowboy Americans - actions don't speak louder than words!"

Now if we can just keep our State Dept out of it - they'll want to emulate their heros - and screw the Kurds, yet again.

Posted by .com 2004-12-15 10:10:18 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:10:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 "unleash a genocide there"

Throwing around the "G-word" provides great sport, no doubt, but also cheapens it and waters it down from its true horrible meaning. Consult Turkey's eradication of the Armenian population for a true example, one so hideously efficient that it inspired Hitler's holocaust. For a Turk to use it against the US's kid-glove handling of the Iraq occupation is beyond pitiful. More contemptible, really.

"Don't call us friends, it sucks."

I don't think you'll have to worry about us calling you friends for a long time, 'Rat.

Posted by docob 2004-12-15 10:15:08 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:15:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 docob - More of that little dictionary problem thingy...

Posted by .com 2004-12-15 10:21:47 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:21:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Murat, I'll apologize for my country's treatment of your country......the minute you acknowledge that your country slaughtered Armenians, and would love to do the same to the Kurds and the Greeks if they could get away with it.
Until then, enjoy getting reamed by the EU, which, incidentally, will never accept you as a full member.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-12-15 10:24:16 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:24:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Don't get to upset by all this America-bashing. It's a requirement written into The Capitulations. It's a pre-req, if you will, to being allowed to become a French colony. Enjoy your New and Improved Capitulations, Murat. They were soooooo tasty the first time around, weren't they.

Posted by Psycho Hillbilly 2004-12-15 10:49:02 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:49:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 1974 - 1981 US trade embargo against Turkey:reason for embargo invasion of Cyprus.
Yeap,as usual Murat does the half-truth thingy.I think history has shown the Turks aren't particullarly nice folks.

Posted by raptor 2004-12-15 10:52:21 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:52:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Murat, it is freaking hilarious when a Turk thows out a 'genocide' verbal attack against the USA when TURKEY is one of the few countries who have actually commited a Genocide.

As for the US mistreating Turkey, all I can offer is ROTFLMAO. Whudda moonbat.

Posted by Brett_the_Quarkian 2004-12-15 11:09:33 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:09:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Don't call us friends, it sucks.

Not a problem. You've already proved that a friend is something you aren't.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-15 11:32:55 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:32:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 gosh...most of my comments were covered already. Great #1 post, .com.

To put my schendenfraud (sp?) aside, it does seem in Turkey's interests to pursue colonization by the French. Big gains for Turkey and a huge drain on the EU.

Bottom line is that EU membership isn't going to happen while any of it's current supporters are alive. And Iraq is not going to descend into chaos. That's what happens when you heed the elite's left to "Elect me! Suffer today so that utopia will be mine today and yours, um, tomorrow." The Turks picked a lose/lose combination.

Posted by 2b 2004-12-15 11:42:21 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:42:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 oops...heed the elite's advice

Posted by 2b 2004-12-15 11:45:53 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:45:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Everyone (understandably) puts so much energy into fighting accusations against America. Surely, in the case of Turkey's genocide, as well as in the case of Saddam's genocide, there is photo documentation galore. I cannot understand why we are letting anti-American scapegoaters in the international community go unchallenged when they make wild accusations with no proof. We need to take some folks back to school apparently to learn to distinguish between an accusation and evidence of the act.

Our current method of rebuttal is ineffective and is allowing anti-American PR to gain strength. Let the documentation out-show the photos and let anti-American ranters scramble to argue their pitiful positions in the face of the evidence. Are we too PC to challenge accusers with gory evidence? Are we too PC to stand up for ourselves with distasteful BUT FACTUAL evidence?

Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-15 11:46:50 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:46:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Ah well, it seem 3.1 has bugz too. It was running so well yesterday.

Posted by Shipman 2004-12-15 11:56:02 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:56:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 I think an independent Kurdistan comprising eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, and western Iran is proper payment for the Kurds' support. Screw the Turks and the camel they rode in on.

Posted by SR71 2004-12-15 11:57:49 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:57:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 I'll wager that the author of this article has more friends at State than Dubya, heh.

Posted by .com 2004-12-15 12:09:42 PM|| 2004-12-15 12:09:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 SR71, don't forget northern Syria.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-12-15 12:16:11 PM|| 2004-12-15 12:16:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 o man. Murat that was a beautiful bait.. I don't think they even realized it...

Posted by Dcreeper 2004-12-15 12:46:11 PM|| 2004-12-15 12:46:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Oh how great heartedly you Americans are, always in for help to the surpressed ha? In the meantime let the Indians rot in their reservates, since they are the secondclass psuedo Americans huh? Great people you are bringing democracy everywhere even if you have to exterminate the population of that country :)

How about agent orange (worked in Vietnam) could fasten your genocide in Iraq.

Posted by Murat 2004-12-15 6:05:58 PM|| 2004-12-15 6:05:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Turkey doesn't need the U.S., they have the full support of France. Lots of luck with that, guys.

Posted by AJackson 2004-12-15 6:48:06 PM|| 2004-12-15 6:48:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Here's a little English lesson for you, Murat:

There are no "reservates" -- they're "reservations". And Indians have been free to leave them for a long, long time. Considering your desire to contain Kurds, you shouldn't talk. [And, by the way, some Indians on reservations are getting quite rich operating casino gambling since they are not subject to state laws.]

If you want to speed something up, you don't "fasten" it. "Hasten" it, maybe, but not "fasten". You "fasten" buttons and snaps and such to connect things.

Agent Orange is a herbicide (vegetation killer), not a great tool for genocide. You should consult the Kurds on genocide. They'll tell you that Saddam wasn't using Agent Orange.

And in what country did we "exterminate the population"? Iraq has 25 million people. How many have died? Armenia, Murat, Armenia. I don't care if you are in denial or just lacking freedonm of speech -- either is pathetic and unworthy of EU membership. More Arab than European.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-15 7:41:01 PM|| 2004-12-15 7:41:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Murat, we wish you all the best with France. Be sure and let us know if they let you in ok... as it won't make the front page and we might not notice. Good luck to you.

Posted by 2b 2004-12-15 7:45:54 PM|| 2004-12-15 7:45:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 I saw Turkey below the fold once, some Joooo killing thing a year or so back, or was it that Cyprus thing. I never can remember. Are they still the Sick Boy of Europe? Threatening to set off the Powder Puff?

Posted by Shipman 2004-12-15 7:56:48 PM|| 2004-12-15 7:56:48 PM|| Front Page Top

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