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2004-12-12 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by tipper 2004-12-12 8:58:47 AM|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Many of these scenarios violate a principal of planning, "Never allow your opponent a single advantage." In other words, if they have an advantage, it is not through your permitting it, actively or passively. These scenarios also are scant in predicting possible major armed conflicts and regime changes. For example, there will be a US foreign policy under a republican administration.

Posted by Anonymoose 2004-12-12 10:01:04 AM|| 2004-12-12 10:01:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Many of these scenarios don't pass the "WTF?" test.

"The debate in the United States shifts to the requirements for adequate city perimeter defenses"

Yeah, right, can't wait to bring up the issue of the type of crennelation we need on our defensive walls,and how deep the moat should be, at the next town meeting.

Posted by Carl in N.H. 2004-12-12 10:22:13 AM|| 2004-12-12 10:22:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Don't forget the asteroid impact or the dreaded global warming rising of the oceans sending coastal areas under hundreds of feet of water.
May you live in interesting times.

Posted by Don 2004-12-12 10:24:10 AM|| 2004-12-12 10:24:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Carl, be sure you store enough food to withstand a seige (or cable TV outage...or some other calamity)

Posted by Frank G 2004-12-12 10:27:19 AM|| 2004-12-12 10:27:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 ima have 472 gigabytes of 80s video stored against the day the cable is destroy

fraser will win in the end

Posted by half 2004-12-12 10:51:51 AM|| 2004-12-12 10:51:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I realy wish these LLLs would stop masturbating like this in public. The days when we would retreat into "Fotress America" are as over as the antebellum south. With the exception of a few hollyweird types, most of the american people know what the stakes are. For comparison, look at what happend at the nadir of the post vietnam period, the carter presidency. we most definately did not retreat into a shell. We may have been not quite as aeffective as we are today, but we were involved and busy bothering the rest of the planet.

A nuking scenario like this would more likely trigger an invasion of Iran/Norkland/wherever as the highest likelyhood. Much less likely, but a very real possibility would be a demonstration saturation nuclear bombardment of one of the usual suspects. As for EU, putty, et al, there would be a deathly silence waitning for our response. We would prolly finish up by enunciating some variation on "no Izzy/failed/semi-unfriendly state will be allowed to have any kind of nuclear tech. period" policy. Enforced with preemtive zapping of capitals/rulers.

While I hope nothing like this ever happens, it would be....entertaining, i guess, to see the usuaal suspects fall all over themselves trying to convince us it wudn't them.

Posted by N Guard 2004-12-12 11:52:00 AM|| 2004-12-12 11:52:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Another bunch of morons who don't understand that most social change is just the expression of technology changes. To take one example, standoff precision weapons means the possesor can systematically destroy a country's power and communications infrastructure at minimal risk. Its real hard to run a country without telephones and electricity.

Posted by phil_b 2004-12-12 2:58:54 PM|| 2004-12-12 2:58:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 The days when we would retreat into "Fotress America" are as over as the antebellum south

Yes, but one should never underestimate the appeal of isolationism's siren song to Americans of both left and right. It's the flip side of John Winthrop's City on a Hill: in the world but not of it, free of the taint of old world corruption, back to the garden, etc. Appeals as much to Susan Sontag et al as to Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot.

Posted by lex 2004-12-12 3:05:45 PM|| 2004-12-12 3:05:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Appeals as much to Susan Sontag et al as to Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot.

I know. However, the previous examples are marginalized. In a country of approx~ 300M persons there are going to be some number of people like this. A small number, but a noisy number.

I'm looking at the end result of policy decisions, and people like Perot and Sontag (now theres a match made in...somewhere!) have little or no input into policy decisions.

The city on a hill, in the world but not of it does have its appeal, and a lot of people, including me would like to tell the rest of the planet to f__k off. But I, and by extension I hope the majority of Americans also understand that the world is not going to let us stay aloof. We're too much of a temptation, and as a result we have to be active in the world, if only out of self preservation. If in the process we make the world a little better, well thats just gravy, and makes the nasty bits of the job easier to endure.

Posted by N Guard 2004-12-12 4:01:19 PM|| 2004-12-12 4:01:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Since this is Arnaud de Borchgrave, someone who once seemed to be quite erudite - now seeming to be so full of himself he's liable to explode, nothing in it surprises me.

Much wild-eyed conjecture, so little revealed logic behind it. Individual items could, indeed, playout... but equally likely (more so?) would be the Mother Ship returns to take us all home.

It's hard to accept that Benador Assoc "houses" such a bandwidth - from Mansoor Ijaz to Arnaud - that's some spectrum.

Posted by .com 2004-12-12 5:12:44 PM|| 2004-12-12 5:12:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Maybe in the world of that author a nuke on US soil resutls in a restreat to a defensive core.

But "Jacksonian" america is going to take the gloves off - and several places in the Middle east will be given ultimatums: Kill these Islamofascists off yourselves, or the next nuclear detonation will be 100KT at 500m over the main mosque in your capital, simultaneously with 3 1MT detonations at 100m over Mecca.

Simple as that - this guy doesnt understand the "Jacksonian" mindset that dominates in times liek that - its the same mindset that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the one that sent flamethrowers after the Japanese in bunkers when they would not surrender, the same mindset that won Iwo Jima in spite of the cost so that we could bomb all the cities in Japan flat, then burn the rubble with incendiary bombs. Its the mindset that is shown by Alvin York, Audie Murphy, Carlos Hathcock, Shugart & Gordon, and the current btrave warriors in Afghanistan and Iraq.

*THAT* is the mindset that would be loosed upon the Islamist's world - one that will, like Grant, accept nothing but the complete and unconditional surrender and remaking of the poisoned culture of Islam, or, failing htat, its complete and permanent eradication, root and branch, from the earth.

The world has yet to the the American people in full fury - but if they pop a nuke on us, they will see horrors they had never imagined, unleashed upon them; Delivered harshly and coldly, from a determined and angry people bent on the eradication of that threat to its children, homes and society.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-12-12 7:19:19 PM|| 2004-12-12 7:19:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 These are just PC "Pipe Dreams", whims and whists, morso since the Failed Left itself has no intention of allowing or tolerating most or all of these scenarios. The USA cannot be in "isolation" because the Failed Left and Commie Clintons are out to force Socialism, OWG, and Empire on the USA, i.e. GLOBAL INTEGRATION, by any means necessary. The International Lefts are so desperate and power-mad/obsessed they are willing to work for a global empire of the failed and failing, not of the successful, let alone one of the prosperous. They are forcing and tricking America into accomplishing the historically GLOBAL agenda of [revolutionary]International Leftism-Socialism-Communism-Progressive while Communism-centric Russia-China modernize, whereupon US power will be finally usurped and suborned once America is sufficiently destabilized, no different than what the Clintons and LeftMedias did to the Reagan-Republican economy, validating its superiority once a DemLib became POTUS but giving themselves the full credit for same instead of to Reagan, GOP-Rightism or even DemoCapitalism. Bill Clinton validated and justified Leftism-Socialism once, before, and forever, unto eternity, and thus by extens also validating ditto for GLOBAL SOCIALISM, GLOBAL WELFARISM-SUBSIDISM, GLOBAL INEGRATION AND CENTRALISM, and GLOBAL OWG, etc. NO MATTER THEIR PC RHETORIC, NOR WHETHER USURPED OR NOT, THE LEFT WILL GEN NOT TOLERATE, NOR ACCEPT, THE USA NOT ENGAGING OR WARRING FOR GLOBAL EMPIRE! When Putin and Russia, now includ China, talk about waging PREVENTIVE, MIL-BASED MEASURES ags terror or to protect ags terror, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE USA, i.e. ATTACKING THE USA-NORAM, IFF ONLY BY PC "MISTAKE" ala the USA in IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN ["NO WMDS IN IRAQ/ME"], NO MATTER HOW MANY ISLAMISTS ARE PC OR VERIFIABLY/MERITOR WIPED OUT! Remember, "Justified" US Global Empire = the USA is a ROGUE that must itself be inevitably and finally destroyed, "CONSTRAINED/SUBORNED AND CONTROLLED" as was said in PRAVDA. Americans must prepare for "...the day when AMerica is no longer the BIG BOY on the block" - you know, Bill Clinton's hatred of California-based BIG BOY-label restaurant food, the burgers that gave him heart problems!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2004-12-12 11:37:21 PM|| [http://n/a] 2004-12-12 11:37:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 There is this common assumption that the US could not retaliate if terrorists attacked US w/nuclear weapon. It is far more likely that a "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" policy would follow. First,I would expect every terrorist camp in world to be hit in short order. Diplomatic niceties would be ignored by US. Iran,Syria,Saudi Arabia would be given ultimatums to immediately stop financing terrorists and to turn over any terrorists in their countries. Any nation sponsoring Islamic terrorists could expect a wave of missile attacks turning out the lights. Widespread condemnation of US actions could lead to US leaving UN,w/the funds US spend on Un going to defense build-up and direct foreign aid to countries helping US.

Posted by Stephen 2004-12-13 12:05:40 AM|| 2004-12-13 12:05:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Maybe in the world of that author a nuke on US soil resutls in a restreat to a defensive core.

But "Jacksonian" america is going to take the gloves off - and several places in the Middle east will be given ultimatums: Kill these Islamofascists off yourselves, or the next nuclear detonation will be 100KT at 500m over the main mosque in your capital, simultaneously with 3 1MT detonations at 100m over Mecca.

Simple as that - this guy doesnt understand the "Jacksonian" mindset that dominates in times liek that - its the same mindset that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the one that sent flamethrowers after the Japanese in bunkers when they would not surrender, the same mindset that won Iwo Jima in spite of the cost so that we could bomb all the cities in Japan flat, then burn the rubble with incendiary bombs. Its the mindset that is shown by Alvin York, Audie Murphy, Carlos Hathcock, Shugart & Gordon, and the current btrave warriors in Afghanistan and Iraq.

*THAT* is the mindset that would be loosed upon the Islamist's world - one that will, like Grant, accept nothing but the complete and unconditional surrender and remaking of the poisoned culture of Islam, or, failing htat, its complete and permanent eradication, root and branch, from the earth.

The world has yet to the the American people in full fury - but if they pop a nuke on us, they will see horrors they had never imagined, unleashed upon them; Delivered harshly and coldly, from a determined and angry people bent on the eradication of that threat to its children, homes and society.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-12-12 7:19:19 PM|| 2004-12-12 7:19:19 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by OldSpook 2004-12-12 7:19:19 PM|| 2004-12-12 7:19:19 PM|| Front Page Top

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