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2005-12-01 Europe

Failing ocean current raises fears of mini Euro ice age

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Posted by lotp 2005-12-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 was probably at the end of the last ice age, 12,000 years ago.

For the umpteenth time, we are currently in an ice age, which began over a million years ago. An interglacial (a short (relative to the ice age) period of warming within the ice age) began close to 20,000 years ago.

Posted by phil_b 2005-12-01 00:34|| 2005-12-01 00:34|| Front Page Top

#2 Amen, phil_b. It's so much easier to just blurt out some phoney charge than it is to refute it. I used to post, back upon a time, loads of links (there are real scientists out there - in hiding) to substantiate your point, which is 100% rock-solid Truth - then realized no one read 'em, no once cared, the meme rulez. If a favorite Talking Point is refuted, they learn nothing, they just move on (pun intended) to another one - eyes still blazing with the same level of self-righteous Kool Aid Klarity.

Posted by .com 2005-12-01 00:43|| 2005-12-01 00:43|| Front Page Top

#3 While I am an optimist about most things, I can work up a deep depression about the lack of scientific knowledge and understanding of those who are and have recently gone through Western educational systems.

If there was one thing I would fix in this world it would be to make sure everyone had a basic knowledge of science (and economics). Incidentally China and India seem to understand this.

BTW, .com drop me an email, I have idea that has been kicking around in my head for a while now, that I'd like to run by you.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2005-12-01 01:18|| 2005-12-01 01:18|| Front Page Top

#4 mini Euro ice age

phil_b, not to worry plz.

I had me a western edumication, and the reason ima not depressed at all is 'cause i have gud scientific suggestions for K00L AID peples.

1) have they though about burning more cars to git em thru them cooler nites?

2) have they considered how many trillionsÂ³ of calories are locked up in all the millionsÂ³ of Kyoto & EU documents? burn em for solstice celebrations.

3) Main hot air back up system...just keep feeding Jacques-strap & Dominique de Villepin. [Dominique isa man I think]

Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-01 01:54|| 2005-12-01 01:54|| Front Page Top

#5 have they considered how many trillionsÂ³ of calories are locked up in all the millionsÂ³ of Kyoto & EU documents?

Thanks Red Dog. I was wondering how that carbon capture thingy was going to work.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2005-12-01 02:53|| 2005-12-01 02:53|| Front Page Top

#6 I with you phil_b, yours was a spot on comment.

ignore my wise ass comments. lol

Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-01 03:00|| 2005-12-01 03:00|| Front Page Top

#7 I suggest Euors turn their thermostats waaay up. May help bring some global warming.

Posted by badanov 2005-12-01 03:40|| http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html]">[http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html] 2005-12-01 03:40|| Front Page Top

#8 "most of the slow-down happened between 1992 and 1998"

Damn those Clintons!

Posted by Angus Ebb 2005-12-01 06:23|| 2005-12-01 06:23|| Front Page Top

#9 Red Dog, in case you thought I was putting you down, I most definitely wasn't. One of the Burg's considerable charms is when others pick up a joke and spin it in their own style of humour. Mine (on a good day) is 'dry' and it can be hard to tell if I am being serious, sarcastic or ironic. I was just elaborating your joke.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2005-12-01 06:44|| 2005-12-01 06:44|| Front Page Top

#10 humour. Mine (on a good day) is 'dry' and it can be hard to tell if I am being serious, sarcastic or ironic.

As long as you yourself know which one of them it is , it's probably fine. ;-)

Hope your wife can tell the difference too. ;-)

Just to stir a pot...

Approx. 7500 BCE and 5000 BCE, there was something called a "climatic optimum". The temps averaged about 2.5 deg C more than recently (the period covered by sustained temperature observations).
I would have to dig the info how this was actually extrapolated, and I will do that at some point when time allows. Why I mention this is that if you calculate the effects of it, it translates to disappearing of polar ice caps. Entirely. No ice cover left. Got the idea?

Then the calibration of the ice cores is simply wrong, as it is based on assumptions that are invalid.

In other words, if the temperature data are correct, then the measurements of ice cores are not correct and that the ice has been deposited since about 5000 BCE. There may have been ice before 7500 BCE, but we don't have a precise way to tell when and how much, because it is all gone. The data based mostly on occurences of sea critters (moluscs) suggest, as you correctly state, that the Quartenary is, essentially, and ice age, in comparison with previous climatic conditions. But beyond that, most of the conclusions are rather a conjecture than 'solid truth'.

To try to beat one conjecture (global warming) with another (no matter how consensual the conjecture is) is somewhat... ahm... reminiscent of Flatland disputes whether the visitors are circles or squares, while in reality they were spheres and cubes.

Myself, I'd rather stick with uncertainity than with articles of faith of any kind.

Posted by twobyfour 2005-12-01 08:45|| 2005-12-01 08:45|| Front Page Top

#11 If ocean current changes mess up western Europe's temperate climate, it will have to also change other climates. How? Will North Africa become moist and fertile? Or crank out even more hurricane seeds? Will the Atlantic basin develop monsoons? This is a very study-worthy area although I doubt there is much anyone can do to change things.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2005-12-01 09:28|| 2005-12-01 09:28|| Front Page Top

#12 This is a very study-worthy area although I doubt there is much anyone can do to change things.

We laugh.

Posted by Boots un Coots 2005-12-01 09:47|| 2005-12-01 09:47|| Front Page Top

#13 This is good news. Tens of thousands fewer old folks will cook off in frogistan next summer.

Posted by Phoper Hupomons3757 2005-12-01 10:15|| 2005-12-01 10:15|| Front Page Top

#14 This is perhaps Europe's last hope of sending Islam into retreat.

Posted by Halliburton Gulf Stream Div. 2005-12-01 10:27|| 2005-12-01 10:27|| Front Page Top

#15

Posted by BigEd 2005-12-01 16:59|| 2005-12-01 16:59|| Front Page Top

#16 ROFLAO, Big Ed!

This could be the worst catastrophe in French history. The yoots would certainly torch every snowmobile in France when glaciers crush their mosques. Beyond that, how would the tourist trade survive? Who wants to sit at a sidewalk cafe when it's 40 below, on Bastille Day no less?

Certainly all this Greenpeace global warming propaganda is not helping matters. I know. Call out the French Navy, they will know what to do.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-12-01 18:54|| 2005-12-01 18:54|| Front Page Top

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