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2004-11-24 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2004-11-24 2:52:23 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It's ultimately not a problem of culture but of economics. Where the state stifles small business formation, it stifles the development of an ownership stake for relgious minority groups in the larger society and the development of business networks that reward productive activity. This in turn encourages the growth of an unproductive "resenter" population who have no attachment to the larger society. The Euros simply don't get it.

Posted by lex 2004-11-24 11:45:49 AM|| 2004-11-24 11:45:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 It is both, lex.

Remember the rantburg article a while back which showed 40% (I think that was the figure) of Turkish women accepted their husbands hitting them? That doesn't actually account for how many Turkish men think it's ok, but for the sake of argument, let's say it's about the same (40%).Some of those 40% would show up in Germany, wouldn't you agree?

How do you think German women are going to react to physical abuse of husbands? How about putting up with Turkish employees who go insubordinate because they can't bear having a woman boss or won't work with Jewish fellow enployees?

It's a mess.

Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-24 12:15:28 PM|| 2004-11-24 12:15:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 But you solve the cultural problem when you solve the economic one. I'm willing to bet any sum that at least 90% of successful muslim professionals and businessmen in the US do not tolerate wife-beating. People who are building businesses and careers take good care of their families and also their communities. When you have a real stake in the larger society, a lot of cultural idiocy vanishes from your mind.

Posted by lex 2004-11-24 12:19:31 PM|| 2004-11-24 12:19:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 So your basic argument is that if Muslim men have jobs, they don't beat their wives?

How is that different from saying that if Muslim men have jobs, they don't become terrorists?

Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-24 12:24:36 PM|| 2004-11-24 12:24:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 You're wrong Lex, completely wrong. Violence towards women even in West spans from the poor to the rich. There is more violence in poor but it's not a shattering diference. Besides for muslims you just need to look to Saudis, the cultural sexism is not much diferent than racism
and the weight of you're wallet doesnt saves you.

Posted by anon2 2004-11-24 12:34:05 PM|| 2004-11-24 12:34:05 PM|| Front Page Top

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