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2007-11-20 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Spengler: Israel, the hope of the Muslim world

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Posted by bernie 2007-11-20 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 The premise of Western policy is to tread lightly upon Muslim sensibilities. That is an error of first magnitude, for Muslim sensibilities are what prevents the Islamic world from creating modern states.

Word.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-11-20 08:36|| 2007-11-20 08:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Washingtons misguided effort to foster Islamic democracy might be the stupidest idea in the history of foreign policy.

A recurring meme by Spengler - and a strange one, considering the topic of the essay. Even more humilitating for a Muslim than accepting the existence of Israel is the fact of having one's country utterly defeated twice within 15 years, including occupation - by a predominantly Christian power.

In the last few months, as the successes of the Coalition's recent campaigns (both military and political) become apparent, articles are now appearing where the Iraqi "men on the street" are quoted giving full credit for the new stability to the Iraqi armed forces. There's plenty of humiliation in Iraq right now, paid for in the same coin as transacted during the US-Japanese confrontation of 1941-2007.

One thing is quite evident, though. The neo-Pagans of the last 100 years, foreign and domestic, have hated the United States of America with a white-hot ferocity. Now, why is that?

Posted by mrp 2007-11-20 08:47|| 2007-11-20 08:47|| Front Page Top

#3 Even more humilitating for a Muslim than accepting the existence of Israel is the fact of having one's country utterly defeated twice within 15 years, including occupation - by a predominantly Christian power.

Al Qaeda and, earlier, the Muslim Brotherhood are a response to this phenomenon. The logic goes like this: Muslims cannot be defeated by infidels. These countries were defeated. Therefore these countries are not Muslim. This as much as Qutb's experience in Egyptian prison is the source of takfiri ideology. It finds its precise analogy in the stories of betrayal put about by Germans after their loss of the Great War.

It may be the neocon strategy will work. But I suspect it will not. It seems more like to me we shall need a thousand Dresdens before we are on the other side of this. I pray their cities burn, not ours.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-11-20 12:49|| 2007-11-20 12:49|| Front Page Top

#4 Muslims cannot be defeated by infidels. These countries were defeated. Therefore these countries are not Muslim.

Which goes a long way towards explaining the endless bloodshed devolving from Muslim fixation upon being "more Islamic than thou".

It seems more like to me we shall need a thousand Dresdens before we are on the other side of this.

This continues to be the horrid self-prescription that Islam scrawls in blood at every opportunity. I repeat, Islam simply will not have it any other way. If they had the least notion of reconciliation or peaceful coexistence, we would already have seen it arise within their culture over the last several centuries. Instead, the two most unshakable foci of Islam's elliptical logic are jihad and hudna, each driving the other in a hideously barbaric symbiosis.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-11-20 13:37|| 2007-11-20 13:37|| Front Page Top

#5 This is the other side of the "If it ain't broke..." coin. islam is broke and no one can fix it.

Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek 2007-11-20 14:16|| 2007-11-20 14:16|| Front Page Top

#6 And kindly note, I will no more capitalize the word islam than I would capitalize the words scientology or wicca...

Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek 2007-11-20 14:18|| 2007-11-20 14:18|| Front Page Top

#7 islam is broke and no one can fix it.

Oh, it can be fixed, all right. But only in the veterinary sense.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-11-20 17:18|| 2007-11-20 17:18|| Front Page Top

#8 If the Iraqi street needs to lie to itself that they are responsible for the stability in Iraq so be it. A stable democracy in Iraq is such a win againt the medieval psychos we can allow them that. I believe that they know in their heads who won even if they cannot face the facts in their hearts and korans.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-11-20 23:49|| 2007-11-20 23:49|| Front Page Top

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