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2006-11-08 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-08 00:36|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The only hope for winning the war on terror is that the Blue Dog Democrats will team up with Repubs to keep the idiots from flying off the rails.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-11-08 00:50|| 2006-11-08 00:50|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm afraid about that; I suspect they were basically lying, in an attempt to make selling out the Kurds seem like the "tough guy" decision to do.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-11-08 00:51|| 2006-11-08 00:51|| Front Page Top

#3 Also means Hiliary's campaign is in trouble. Why? Because the crazy House Dems are going to force all sorts of issues that Hiliary would rather let lie. They're going to force her to react and take a position, and little Ms. Triangulation doesn't like doing that.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-11-08 00:52|| 2006-11-08 00:52|| Front Page Top

#4 One things for sure: If Pelosi and them want to run things pre-9/11, start investigations, impeachment, etc, They do that we will have another "9/11"

I'm already measuring the rope for Pelosi and Murtha's gang for '08 (althoguh I think Murtha is going to croak from a heart attack if there is any justice in this world after all the idiocy and crap he as spouted about our military.)

Posted by Oldspook 2006-11-08 00:57|| 2006-11-08 00:57|| Front Page Top

#5 My views on the House (these and $3 get you a coffee at a Starbucks):

1) Hastert was terrible; this is what happens when your fire dies and your base turns to mush. You get a leader who can't lead. He's done and he knows it.

2) Corruption hurt the Reps -- in a way, the Dems played this to a win despite their own problems. Foley, DeLay, Ney, Sherwood, all brought themselves down. Moral of the story: parties have to get rid of people with ethical problems early. If you wait til after the primary you're hosed.

3. The gaffs on Harriet Miers, the ports deal, and the Schiavo affair put a spike into any momentum the Reps might have had to get things done. They spent way too much time on these. Blame Bush but also blame Hastert and the House leadership.

4. We don't know if immigration reform, the fence, and tax reform would have worked because they weren't tried. The majority party whiffed and that's why they're no longer the majority in the House.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-11-08 00:57|| 2006-11-08 00:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Yep - pretty much my sentiments Steve. The Republicans deserved to lose this one, because they didnt do jack squat with their majority - instead the porked up, and let the corruption spread. Hastert screwing the ethics ciomimtte was another symptom of that - threw out that guy from Colorado and packed it with go-along get-along cronies.

And instead of passing lots of reform legislation, they passed fewer bills and did damned little until way too late (see immigration and the fence).

The country is still far more conservative than it is liberal, but if the Republicans act like RINOs and dont act like a majority, then the American people are not going to give them a majority.

Peopel hate Kerry because he's a damned fake.

Well so is Hastert, and the rest of the RINO leadership.

Time to clean house.

Time to see if Bush has any balls to act domestically as he did overseas. He shoudl ahve been pushign the agenda and cracking congressional heads liek Hasters. Instead he drifted and basically let the congressionsal pork-boys kill any momentuum and coherent policy he might have had. He shoudl have summend Stevens for the secret hold bullshit he pulled. he shoudl ahve summoed Specter and busted his chops for the foot dragging in the judiciary comittee. He shoudl ahve called for hastert's resignation from leadership long (his defense of Jefferson, etc) and urged Shadegg for house leadership and dmenade reform. Given Bush's pantywaist performance on immigration, and his utter inability and unwillingness to defend and define his policies (instead leaving it to the hostile press which inevitably results in disaster), I don't hold out much hope for Bush except for vetoing a bill here and there. He's done. He was never really a conservative to begin with and now I question his domestic courage.

I'm betting Guliani starts his campaign motor, and you can bet McCain is going to jump into the spotlight.

If Bush continues sitting with his thumb up his ass until to late (like he did this election, and on domestic tax policy and border security), then we as a nation are really screwed.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-11-08 01:11|| 2006-11-08 01:11|| Front Page Top

#7 The national GOP can kiss my ass. We matche the Dems locally, dollar for dollar, and we out did them in volunteers and GOTV. But the National GOP let our guy get outspent by over a million dollars formthe Dems National funds, and poured their money into porker candidates to give them a wider margine instead of giving us a winning margin. helping their buddies out at the expense of a loss in our CD. We the people still made the race damn close, not the 12+ the polls had it, but not enough to overcome over an extra million dollars of slash and burn ads early on and down the stretch - more than we could match, given the hostiel press and the headwind from the national party in the house (and a poor gov race). We had a genuine reformer and thats probably why. So now they have a lawyer/lobbiest liberal Democrat in that seat and he'll do his best to get dug in tighter than a tick with the K-street gang and thier cash bankroll, so he'll be hard to remove.

One thing's for sure:

If the Repubs do not come home to their Reagan style conservativsm and values, then they can kiss me and a lot of people goodbye.

Lets see them do GOTV without volunteers doing the legwork.

I'm willing to work for conservative candidates, but if the national party screws them over, then why bother.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-11-08 01:19|| 2006-11-08 01:19|| Front Page Top

#8 Also, there has been no good explaination of Katrina to the people of this country.

Even the base pocketbook one of why nobody has made the insurance companies play claims.

The cluster called homeland defense showed its clothes with Katrina.

Posted by 3dc 2006-11-08 01:37|| 2006-11-08 01:37|| Front Page Top

#9 W is his father's son.

I swear I read that Denny was going to step down in 07 anyway.

Markets are going to be fun tomorrow, and what's even more entertaining, some talking heads think this Congress will be more conservative. I don't think so.

Odds on Reid stepping down and putting Evita in his place?

After all, it's a "culture of corruption."

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-08 01:40|| 2006-11-08 01:40|| Front Page Top

#10 Odds on stories about the Christmas economy being positive?????

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-08 01:44|| 2006-11-08 01:44|| Front Page Top

#11 Now, in 2001, didn't Daschle change the rule to 60?

We'll see which RINOs are left.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-08 01:47|| 2006-11-08 01:47|| Front Page Top

#12 We might see a Republican elected to POTUS but it will be another 10 to 16 years before we see a Republican majority in the house....that's how bad this betrayal of '94 is. It goes too deep. Too much blame to spread around. What a sorry state.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-08 02:00|| 2006-11-08 02:00|| Front Page Top

#13 Republican party must go back to what got them there. Not pork barrel spending and insider dealing and dancing around issues. Go back to what got them there: smaller government, control spending, strong stands on security that actually have ACTION behind it, and stop acting like the tax and spend Democrats.

Spot on, Oldspook. The republicans have strayed so far from their conservative roots that the two major parties are hard to tell apart anymore. No way could I vote for the republicans after all the conflicts of interest that have gone down. ANY candidate that can return America to the bearings you stated above would probably get my vote, regardless of party.

As a one time lifelong deomcrat, I did my best to help our nation. I DID NOT vote democrat. Their betrayal of American national security is absolutely intolerable, period.

It was beyond painful to watch the Bush administration valiantly risk so much political and moral capital on the years of war in Iraq (and on terrorism in general), only to go badly off ~~the rails~~ message regarding security with the ports deal. Their constant proclamations of greater moral authority were drowned in a sea of cronyism, special interests and insider dealing.

Saddest of all is how this loss was not due to any superior platform on the part of the democrats. Quite the opposite, the democratic platform simply stunk, as it has for many years now, and this was what made it the worst sort of self-defeat for the GOP.

Republican Rantburgers have my sympathies. In no way did the Democrats deserve this victory. It was a case of the GOP snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Steve's observations in post # 5 sum things up pretty well about this self-inflicted wound.

The next two years are going to be a grim spectacle of Democratic malfeasance regarding national security. You may be able to take solace in them probably screwing the pooch sufficiently whereby the GOP has a good shot at the oval office in 2008. I just dread the notion of us backing our way into another 9-11 through democratic cowardice and retreat.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-08 02:01|| 2006-11-08 02:01|| Front Page Top

#14 Also, there has been no good explaination of Katrina to the people of this country.

However unpopular this observation is going to be, I've got to agree with you 3dc. Bush never stood up and took it on the chin for appointing a horse judge to direct FEMA. Americans died because of this cronyism and Bush really should have taken responsibility for it. Lack of prompt federal response to Katrina, properly or not, threw an eliteist cast on the White House and all republicans by default.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-08 02:09|| 2006-11-08 02:09|| Front Page Top

#15 The SENATE is gone, too.

KERRY is in the MAJORITY.

Vietnam and Cambodia will be minor footnotes in history books, compared to Iraq and Israel.

Can someone point out anything positive today?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-11-08 02:13|| 2006-11-08 02:13|| Front Page Top

#16 Musing...

Those who are old enough to vote and exercised their right are, IMO, adults. They made their choices.

Are they stupid while those who lost are brilliant?

Is it about people not "getting" the message - that the message wasn't sent, or wasn't sent often enough, or forcefully enough, or in the right combination of words?

Is it about money, buying BS ads that anyone who wants to can see through?

Is it about getting people off their asses to act like adults?

Some say yes. I disagree. It's a democracy and the tally is in. No one here is extra hot shit or infallible or too cool - almost everyone's just doing their best under the circumstances, working with what they have. Some are working out their problems using Fred's masterwork as proxy Therapist.

I'm just another guy. I seek out the information and meld that with personal experience - same as everyone else, I guess. I arrive at my conclusions through my own processes, same as everyone else. I made my choices in the booth, same as everyone else. I'll have to live with the results, same as everyone else.

What I believed in lost. Blame means zip, zilch, nada, except as a relief valve. I just got a good look at my fellow Americans and, since I disagree with the result, I have figure that one of us is nuts - me or them - at least regards those who actually believe they did the right thing in the booth. Some were simply petty and vindictive - nasty puerile little fuckers - and chose to shoot everyone, including themselves, in the foot to prove just how infantile they could be. Regardless, the deal is done.

I'm convinced we're in for some serious shit because of this election cycle. The majority chose this shit - and had every opportunity, same as I had, same as everyone here had, to choose otherwise.

I feel most aggrieved on behalf of our Military - the troopers who've proven so valiant and courageous. They deserve better than what is coming. Far better. The best we can do, in fact. But that will not be the official program. They are now pawns of the power-freaks... those guys I, and a minority of others, tried to defeat. I hope they can keep the faith - and their heads down - until times change.

I'm thinking we should cover our asses - and our sane neighbor's ass. Let the rest fry. Their choice.

/musing

Posted by .com 2006-11-08 02:15|| 2006-11-08 02:15|| Front Page Top

#17 Two years is a long time to acquire decisiveness and resolve as political virtues. I am not pessimistic.

Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2006-11-08 02:24|| 2006-11-08 02:24|| Front Page Top

#18 Yes .com -- now how do we cover our assess? and what will happen with the military?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-11-08 02:26|| 2006-11-08 02:26|| Front Page Top

#19 Kalle - You don't know - or are you being snarky? What were you doing enroute to this moment in time? Educating others about the threat of Islam, correct? Keep it up.

As for our military, I suspect it will suffer dramatically. This path was chosen by the moonbats, ankle-biters, triangulators, and fools. I expect there will be some serious thought given to getting out by many. We, the security of this nation, will be set back a decade, not two years.

If we are a nation that lives by the rule of law, then the law is our limit.

Posted by .com 2006-11-08 02:49|| 2006-11-08 02:49|| Front Page Top

#20 not snarky, mighty disappointed

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-11-08 03:04|| 2006-11-08 03:04|| Front Page Top

#21 I'll tell you this.

The guys I knwo are watchign to see if they Dems are seriosu about fighting this thign right - they way most of thier new candidates claimed to be.

If we get the budget and support we need, they'll stay in.

If not, they are going to have a hell of a hard time fielding enough troops to staff a garbage detail within 2 years of turning tail and running from Iraq (enlistments ending is the only reason it would take that long).

Nobody wants to be the next bunch of Vietnam Vets; victims not soldiers, won the battles, held the battlefield and got screwed by the politicians before we could finish the work, leaving our allies to be butchered.

Nobody will EVER strust the US again. First Vietnam, then Somolia, now this.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-08 03:13|| 2006-11-08 03:13|| Front Page Top

#22 As per Lebanon + Syria this summer vv Radical Iran, just becuz the Israelis allegedly "lost" doesn't mean Lebanon + Syria won. Ditto for the RINO CINO DEMS > just becuz of 2006 does NOT mean traditional ALTERNATISM + LEFTLIBERALISM/
LIBERTARIANISM, etal. WON. US-LEFT + GLOBAL/INTERNAT LEFTS > WOT> WAR FOR FORM/TYPE/KIND OF [ULTRA?] NATIONAL-GLOBAL CONSERVATIVE AGENDA. IOW, one can ascribe it as the Failed-Angry Left, or many within the Left anyhoo, wanting to become = stay "the Right" without getting any blame for anything, espec come elex times. US Treason-crats + Mafia/CrimiCrats + Waffle-crats need and want their $$$ Pensions + Social Security stipends + Wall ST. Stock Options, etc. like every other ordinary Patriot = Warlordist. KEEP BUYING THAT POPCORN + FTLG STAY ARMED.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-11-08 04:10|| 2006-11-08 04:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Also, there has been no good explaination of Katrina to the people of this country.

It was a hurricane.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-11-08 07:08|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-11-08 07:08|| Front Page Top

#24 Re: Katrina: I guess Bush and the Republicans lost the mandate of heaven and allowed storms to hit the country.

My God in Blessed Heaven, we have let the lying sack-of-shit media turn half the country into raving medieval Chinese peasants. (Although without the work ethic).

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-11-08 09:04|| 2006-11-08 09:04|| Front Page Top

#25 Numerous good posts as always. My wife and I held our noses and voted Repub for all the national and governor races. I will never vote Dem, ever. At least up in Michigan all the dems are p*ssies. No self respecting, patriotic, heterosexual white male could ever be a dem. I'll vote libertarian for the local stuff.

I believe as many already said, the GOP got away from it's core issues. There was no social security reform (everybody's afraid of alienating grandma), no real firm stand against eminent domain, little said about tax reform (HR 25??), spending, the immigration issue and wall is a joke. Bush was never serious about building a wall. I actually feel bad on the last one because the house did try and fix the wall position and then the wimps in the senate wouldn't truly close the deal. I thought the Repubs actually deserved to lose the senate more than the house despite Hastert.

Vice tossing blame we need to take a look at the lessons learned. We all dislike the MSM but the GOP somehow needs to find a way to work them & more than just Fox News. I personally hate the MSM but they are a part of the environment in which we operate. We need to crack that nut - especially wrt to Iraq - someone in political office needs to start calling them on every ounce of treasonous b.s. they utter. If one congress critter even followed the 'Burg loosely they'd have all the ammo they'd ever need. The election was the GOP's to lose and they did a good job of doing just that. Our Founders are rolling in their graves.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-11-08 09:24|| 2006-11-08 09:24|| Front Page Top

#26 I believe as many already said, the GOP got away from it's core issues. There was no social security reform (everybody's afraid of alienating grandma), no real firm stand against eminent domain, little said about tax reform (HR 25??), spending, the immigration issue and wall is a joke. Bush was never serious about building a wall. I actually feel bad on the last one because the house did try and fix the wall position and then the wimps in the senate wouldn't truly close the deal. I thought the Repubs actually deserved to lose the senate more than the house despite Hastert.

Well, you're going to get action in immigration _now_. I hope it's something you're happy with, because we're all gonna get it whether _we_ want it or not.

Re: social security reform, tax reform... they aren't going to do the former. They'll be glad to raise the latter, strangle some more geese to solve the egg shortage. I don't know if you'll like that tax reform either though.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-11-08 09:54|| 2006-11-08 09:54|| Front Page Top

#27 I have a friend who's a lineman, the union rep was there yesterday, meeting to raise dues.

I explained to him of course, I'll bet your contract is tied to the minimum wage.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-08 10:19|| 2006-11-08 10:19|| Front Page Top

#28 AS - I won't like any of it. Which is why I never vote dem. Too touchy feely, no grit. (Not that the Repubs have shown any self discipline lately.)

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-11-08 10:31|| 2006-11-08 10:31|| Front Page Top

#29 Further comment: OldSpook points out the the unwillingness to stand for their principles and ideology made Repubs vulnerable, and I agree completely with that.

We should also note the competence angle. Our military has it in spades, but a big chunk of the rest of the government doesn't and hasn't. That's a big reason why the Hurricane Katrina disaster resonated with people, and why it continues to stick despite the idiotic Democratic and MSM blabbering. People understand that the response was flawed and flawed in part because we had the wrong people in charge. Notice how no one complains about the military's response to Katrina. Why? Because it worked. FEMA didn't (don't worry, Blanco gets hers in the next election).

Repubs might have survived this despite abandoning their principles had they been able to point to a solid record of competence and achievement. Yes, the two should go hand-in-hand, but being able to point to getting things done would have handled the anger in the base to some extent.

But when you dump your principles and also screw up your job, you don't get re-elected.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-11-08 10:37|| 2006-11-08 10:37|| Front Page Top

#30 One more comment: OldSpook, you should really e-mail Hugh Hewitt with your comments. I bet he'd listen, and he's the kind of person who could get these thoughts out into circulation.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-11-08 10:39|| 2006-11-08 10:39|| Front Page Top

#31 Observation: There were a periods following the 2000/04 elections when the Democrat muckti-mucks, liberal pundits, and rank in file wallowed in a disgusting orgy of self-loathing and second guessing. Shock gave way to anger, followed by foot stomping and spoon banging. Some rightfully questioned the quality of their candidates and the effectiveness of their campaigns but there was a deafening chorus of shrill bellars about everything from voter disenfranchisement to a Rovian plot to bribe the US Supreme Court. The Republicans have legitimate questions regarding its current leadership, policies, and course of action that need to be resolved but for Gods sake, please refrain from the finger pointing and tantrums that were previously displayed by the left.

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-11-08 11:09|| 2006-11-08 11:09|| Front Page Top

#32 KF, personally I'm going back and check out Ann Sheridan from yesterday's Rantburg!

Posted by JohnQC 2006-11-08 11:29|| 2006-11-08 11:29|| Front Page Top

#33 It would be nice to see the lame duck Congress get very active in putting through judges and stuff now.

Republicans should have done it during the Summer and forced the Dems to be really difficult. Shown their true colors.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-11-08 11:34|| 2006-11-08 11:34|| Front Page Top

#34 If you think we're in a bad mood today, how do you think Ned Lamont feels?

Posted by tu3031 2006-11-08 12:00|| 2006-11-08 12:00|| Front Page Top

#35 Steve or anyone, go ahead and mail my stuff to Hugh if you like. And feel free to clean up the grammer, etc.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-08 12:30|| 2006-11-08 12:30|| Front Page Top

#36 One other thing, regarding social security reform:

Would the baby boomers hurry up and f**king DIE! They ruing the nation in the 60's and are doing it again, and have yet to solve a damn thing - they only make it worse. And its their worries about Social Security that kept tax reform, etc from having anything done. Those narcissistic bastards will syphon the generation behind them dry with taxes to keep what they demand.

We are now in the grip of the most self-righteous selfish bastards the US has seen, the lefty boomers in power.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-08 12:45|| 2006-11-08 12:45|| Front Page Top

#37 The fox knows many small things, but the hedgehog knows one great thing.

Operation CYA is a go, folks.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-11-08 12:46|| 2006-11-08 12:46|| Front Page Top

#38 tu3031 - at least it was his own money.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-11-08 13:09|| 2006-11-08 13:09|| Front Page Top

#39 I agree that no one will ever trust the US again in terms of facilitating change toward freedom and pro-democracy politics in dictator/toltalitarian/terrorist-run states. We will be seen as having left the general population to the wolves--when we should have been the wolves tearing the throats out of the dictator/toltalitarian/terrorist leadership in those places.

My other point is that it's hard for people to get "the message" when the media has ceased to be a reporter of information and has turned into a political player on the side of the left. No one knows what the hell is going on anymore.

Posted by MagnonMan 2006-11-08 13:47|| 2006-11-08 13:47|| Front Page Top

#40 "Those narcissistic bastards will syphon the generation behind them dry with taxes to keep what they demand . . . We are now in the grip of the most self-righteous selfish bastards the US has seen, the lefty boomers in power."

Well said. And the lefty boomers are in love with fantasy instead of reality. They want to make the world their playground but don't realize the world is full of bullies carrying really big guns and really big attitudes.

Heaven help us help ourselves.

Posted by MagnonMan 2006-11-08 13:50|| 2006-11-08 13:50|| Front Page Top

#41 Vice tossing blame we need to take a look at the lessons learned. We all dislike the MSM but the GOP somehow needs to find a way to work them & more than just Fox News. I personally hate the MSM but they are a part of the environment in which we operate. We need to crack that nut - especially wrt to Iraq - someone in political office needs to start calling them on every ounce of treasonous b.s. they utter. If one congress critter even followed the 'Burg loosely they'd have all the ammo they'd ever need. The election was the GOP's to lose and they did a good job of doing just that. Our Founders are rolling in their graves.

Good GOP survival plan, Broadhead6. They'd better listen if they have any hopes for 2008.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-08 13:58|| 2006-11-08 13:58|| Front Page Top

#42 Lame duck presidents have nothing to lose.
Ponder that over in Sandland.

Posted by tu3031 2006-11-08 14:39|| 2006-11-08 14:39|| Front Page Top

#43 To echo tu's point. Just be glad you're in Dubai and not Tehran, troll.

Posted by BA 2006-11-08 14:55|| 2006-11-08 14:55|| Front Page Top

#44 Not to worry HA, it'll pass. So while you're basking in the glow, why don't you grab yourself a goat and really celebrate.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-08 15:13|| 2006-11-08 15:13|| Front Page Top

#45 HA. It's kinda sad that you have nothing more meaningful in your life than to hand around here hoping someone will engage you.

Don't you have any friends to go celebrate with? How sad is it that your are sitting here waiting for another post? Downright pathetic, really.

Posted by anon 2006-11-08 15:18|| 2006-11-08 15:18|| Front Page Top

#46 Sounds like he took your advice, Rex.

Posted by tu3031 2006-11-08 15:21|| 2006-11-08 15:21|| Front Page Top

#47 Hibjobol Abjub, have you ever considered how a democratic American government might prove so ineffectual against radical Islam that the terorists finally get an opportunity to commit an atrocity which is so heinous that we have no choice but to incinerate the entire MME (Muslim Middle East)?

Ironic as it sounds, Muslims around the world may one day find themselves thankful that Bush intervened in an attempt to nip things in the bud; Before Islam could really spiral out of control and condemn itself to death. Others here have also pointed out, quite appropriately, that the way democrats refuse to commit soldiers to battle may actually lead to an even quicker tendency to use nuclear weapons in retaliation.

Have you ever considered that?

Your world is teetering on the precipice of complete and total annihilation while you sit and smirk. I'd advise you best get off of your smug little ass and begin figuring out a way to reform Islam before America takes it apart at the seams for once and all.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-08 15:25|| 2006-11-08 15:25|| Front Page Top

#48 Let him go Zenster. He's going to splooge himself any second now.

Posted by Thoth 2006-11-08 15:31|| 2006-11-08 15:31|| Front Page Top

#49 Musilm meeee. I think not.

It doesn't matter much what religion you are or are not if you're sitting at ground zero.

Make fun of the situation all you want. We'll be sure to laugh and point when you are nothing but glowing vapor. This situation is black and white. The MME will live or die depending upon Islam's ability to reform itself.

Final Post.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-08 15:54|| 2006-11-08 15:54|| Front Page Top

#50 re: earlier posts regardign what will happen to the military (before the chew toys came in): it will carry on according to the lawful orders handed down. But how they are executed is going to be a challenge: especially if the DoD budget is used as a whipping boy and has more earmarks than an old library book. I also expect there is going to be a mass exodus of retirement-eligible vets. I have several active duty friends that are clamoring for another opportunity to go back to the Middle East to finish the job, but now I would not be surprised to see if they re-think that. But then again, if the recession does materialize, they may stay in, if only to be able to keep their families fed.

Posted by USN, ret. 2006-11-08 16:57|| 2006-11-08 16:57|| Front Page Top

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