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2006-11-25 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by .com 2006-11-25 11:09|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Words fail me.

Men without honor uttered the words "Peace with Honor" 35 years ago, and they failed to live up to them. I bought into them then, but I won't now.

Wars are messy. Victory is not always apparent, but I guess dishonorable men prefer the certainty of defeat to the uncertainty that we are winning.

We cannot win if we leave. We cannot kill terrorists if we leave. We can no longer convince any ally that we are serious about supporting them militarily if we leave.

Words fail me

Posted by badanov 2006-11-25 12:05|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2006-11-25 12:05|| Front Page Top

#2 Bush has been lying pretty low lately. I doubt he's changed much. It will be interesting to see his reaction to the Baker Hamilton report.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-11-25 12:47|| 2006-11-25 12:47|| Front Page Top

#3 "Words fail me."

No, I think you summed it up pretty well: We cannot win if we leave. We cannot kill terrorists if we leave. We can no longer convince any ally that we are serious about supporting them militarily if we leave.

Though I wonder if the bulk of the damage has already been done: how can any adversary listen to the words coming out of the Donks, the MSM, and idiots like Hagel, and still take us seriously?

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-25 12:56|| 2006-11-25 12:56|| Front Page Top

#4 We are getting ready to make History here. If the LLL's have thier way we are going to become the FIRST nation in History to ever SURRENDER in a war because the enemy was killing to many OF HIS OWN CIVILIANS.

People if the LLL's suceed in this humiliation of humiliations of our nation. I don't know about you guys but the only next war I will be willing to go to will be the one in our own streets to deport ALL LLL's and thier allies and ilk.

Iraq War historically speaking on every level= economic the Military budget including the supplementals is around 4.5% GDP less than the early 80's peace time budget (no war bonds no war taxes BOOMING Economy still), US civilian draw .05% of the population is involved in this WOT, military casualties we lost more men on Wake Island in WW2, ect..

The LLL's since day one has been on a mission to make this WOT a failure wether it is or is not (tell a lie enough it becomes truth, Gerbals).

Posted by C-Low 2006-11-25 13:26|| 2006-11-25 13:26|| Front Page Top

#5 By the way even those UNIMAGINABLE CARNAGE the LLL's call Iraq's regular murder rate (that is what it is when terrorist randomly kill people in the street either with bullets or bombs or knives whatever) are not even SOOoooo unimaginalbe at all.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/11/october-iraqi-deaths-nearly-match.html

Go check it out hattip Gateway Pundit he also if you look around has some KISS charts putting other historical stats compared with Iraq.

Posted by C-Low 2006-11-25 13:37|| 2006-11-25 13:37|| Front Page Top

#6 There's something about the names Chucky (Shumer), Charles (Rangel), and Chuck (Hagel) that induces Upchuck.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2006-11-25 14:05|| 2006-11-25 14:05|| Front Page Top

#7 Tell me about it.

Posted by HRH Charles III 2006-11-25 14:32|| 2006-11-25 14:32|| Front Page Top

#8 < The Baker-Hamilton commission gives the president a new opportunity to form a bipartisan consensus to get out of Iraq/I>

i.e. a 'new' opportunity to do what Hagel wants. He definitely has a way with words.

Posted by KBK 2006-11-25 14:42|| 2006-11-25 14:42|| Front Page Top

#9 There will be no military victory or military solution for Iraq. Former secretary of state Henry Kissinger made this point last weekend

Hey everybody, wait a minute, this guy cites The Kissinger!

Who might be right after all, since he made his statement after the Democrats took the majority in congress.

Posted by gorb 2006-11-25 15:14|| 2006-11-25 15:14|| Front Page Top

#10 Hey people. After US army leaves Iraqi Shia will massacre Iraqi Sunnis. In response, Shia will be massacared in majority Sunni, Dar countries. Now, some people might say that this is a bad thing.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-11-25 22:36|| 2006-11-25 22:36|| Front Page Top

#11 "CANNOT IMPOSE A DEMOCRACY" > Get real, compared to MacArthur, Patton, or Chesty Puller, etc.......or even General Crook, CENTCOM HASN'T EVEN TRIED YET. There are some things that only War = Military Force = Force of Command = Brutality/Fog of War can accomplish, NOT THE POLS IN WASHINGTON. Things = Decisions = Actions that can induce a Commander at any level to wilfully put his Rank, Career, + Authority in jeopardy. We can't all be Politically Correct, we can't all be YES-MEN. MUDVILLE GAZETTE > "Good people can sleep well/soundly at night becuz ROUGH/BAD MEN ARE READY TO DO BATTLE ON THEIR BEHALF". HENRY FONDA > "Captain York, when you command this Regiment, .... .... COMMAND IT".

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-11-25 22:58|| 2006-11-25 22:58|| Front Page Top

#12 Damn!

Well said Joe!

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-11-25 23:21|| 2006-11-25 23:21|| Front Page Top

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