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2014-11-17 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

Climatologist: 30-Year Cold Spell Strikes Earth

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Posted by DarthVader 2014-11-17 00:31|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ] Top

#1 What the true believers forget is that warmer temperatures equal warmer ocean temperatures equals rain in regions that have not seen rain in eons. Every desert in the world is fronted by a deep water cold water ocean current. Warm that water and you will get rain and tillable land for agriculture. Raise the ocean temperature of the Mediterranean and the Sahara becomes farm land from the resulting rain.

Global warming actually has many more benefits than faults. Global warming would not create deserts and food shortages, it would create warm oceans, higher humidity, rain, and more farm land.

Posted by Mystic 2014-11-17 04:41|| 2014-11-17 04:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Mystic,

Logic and science have no bearing on what they believe. It causes them pain as it doesn't fit what their prophets have said. I fear it would take repeated usage of a cluebyfour to correct their mindset.

Posted by Silentbrick 2014-11-17 04:48|| 2014-11-17 04:48|| Front Page Top

#3 There are two things about all this that I can not get past.

1) There is no way in hell that anyone can produce a truly precise (.01 degrees?) and accurate measurement of the temperatures (what do you mean they built a parking lot around the weather station?) globally for the last 20 years, never mind the last 150.

2) As someone who produced computer models for many years in my job as a software geek I know that the biggest cliche is also the biggest flaw in any model; GIGO. If the data is mistaken, either deliberately or accidentally (see point 1) the model will produce crap. The "crap" may be troublesome or wonderful depending on the perspective of the reporter, but it's still crap.

The whole scandal of the Climategate e-mails from UEA and the ICCC and Al Gore is that the data and algorithms were hidden and modified in such ways that anything coming out of the models was pure fantasy. AND THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME DATA!!

Posted by AlanC 2014-11-17 07:46|| 2014-11-17 07:46|| Front Page Top

#4 What's depressing is that Dr Rhodes Fairbridge explained this effect to them twenty years ago, i.e. it's all about solar heat output, and that is driven by orbital dynamics of the major planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus).
They didn't like it then, they don't like it now. It interferes with the gravy train.

Posted by ed in texas 2014-11-17 08:08|| 2014-11-17 08:08|| Front Page Top

#5 Bullshit, the man is selling books, so it'll be a FACT, that what HE says Is FACT, (After all, there's a book).

Posted by Redneck Jim 2014-11-17 08:13|| 2014-11-17 08:13|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm cynical. IMO "climate change (formerly "global warming") is just another ginned up junk science, snake oil concept to redistribute the wealth of the U.S. to themselves and other countries. In the 1970s, the bugaboo was "global cooling." It is about time for the left to give up this "sky is falling" BS.

Posted by JohnQC 2014-11-17 09:09|| 2014-11-17 09:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, I've got snow in Texas this morning.
My theory is I'm gonna be cold.

Posted by Skidmark 2014-11-17 10:28|| 2014-11-17 10:28|| Front Page Top

#8 Modeling your discomfort may pass the time Skid.

Posted by Shipman 2014-11-17 10:43|| 2014-11-17 10:43|| Front Page Top

#9 Won't reach freezing point till Sat (barely) in the Chicago burbs. Many many degrees colder for this time of year and snow on the ground.

Posted by 3dc 2014-11-17 10:48|| 2014-11-17 10:48|| Front Page Top

#10 AlanC, besides GIGO, the problem is that the models may be wrong. In any model, you have to make simplifying assumptions. To model something as complicated as the climate, you have to make many simplifying assumptions. The thing is that we don't really know how the climate works. Some of the simplifying assumptions may have excluded the most important things from the real world. So even if the input data were perfect, the output would still be garbage.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2014-11-17 11:02|| 2014-11-17 11:02|| Front Page Top

#11 I follow the climate debate pretty closely and I don't buy 'the sun did it'.

If you want an explaination of the late 20th century warming, you really have to look no further than the the 1976 introduction of the catalytic converter.

Posted by phil_b 2014-11-17 11:34|| 2014-11-17 11:34|| Front Page Top

#12 Well phil_b, you would also have to ask why during the Medieval warm period the earth was warmer than it is now and what caused it. Same with the little ice age and what caused it. Also why it was warmer and wetter during the Early Roman period in North Africa and Spain and those areas fed most of Europe with their grain exports.

It certainly wasn't the catalytic converter.

The main point of any Climate Change argument we give is that climate changes. It changed in the past, it is or may be changing now and it will change in the future. Spending government money and giving up our freedoms to battle climate change is a fool's errand since we do now know anything about how the system works. The sun is a major part of the system and watching average temperatures on other planets in our solar system rise and fall almost in sync with Earth's does point to the Sun being part of the problem this time.

Posted by DarthVader 2014-11-17 12:01|| 2014-11-17 12:01|| Front Page Top

#13 This is noteworthy: The first ice of the season has formed on Lake Superior, 10 days before it did last (record breaking) winter.

Posted by Grunter 2014-11-17 12:04|| 2014-11-17 12:04|| Front Page Top

#14 An interesting site that discusses climate change and GW

Posted by JohnQC 2014-11-17 12:05|| 2014-11-17 12:05|| Front Page Top

#15 When they say 'climate change' but then talk CO2, they're just talking the discredited MMGW meme.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-11-17 12:24|| 2014-11-17 12:24|| Front Page Top

#16 I have no doubt that CO2 increases cause global warming. I do doubt that we have a good idea of how much warming is caused - or if it is offset by cooling due to other sources. I also don't know if it's a net positive or negative for the globe. I am quite sure that nothing we can do will stop it - at most we can slow it down (burnable carbon will be burned.) I am also quite sure that much - if not most - of the 'concern' is just lies covering attempts at wealth transfer, globally from rich to poor nations, individually from suckers to con men.

Posted by Glenmore 2014-11-17 13:01|| 2014-11-17 13:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Re #10, FIV you are of course correct, hence my mention of the algorithms.

I looked at some of the climategate models that came out as part of that "hack" of UEA. My Fortran is rusty but there was some funky $hit going on regarding modifying variables from a sequential file with no comments or other documentation about what was going on. It almost looked as simple as gin up a tempreture and if it was too low, go into this table and add it to the variable. I'm over-simplifying a little cause I don't remember the precise code that I saw but it was hinky as all get out.

I have been a professional systems auditor in my past and believe me when I say I know hinky.

Posted by AlanC 2014-11-17 14:09|| 2014-11-17 14:09|| Front Page Top

#18 Of course my last is a typo.....RIV not FIV, my apologies Rambler. ;^)

Posted by AlanC 2014-11-17 14:11|| 2014-11-17 14:11|| Front Page Top

#19 And now a glimpse into this "Coming Cold Spell", the narrator has it wrong BTW its not 30000 years ago but TODAY...

Posted by Winky Splat8778 2014-11-17 14:58|| 2014-11-17 14:58|| Front Page Top

#20 Spending government money and giving up our freedoms...

Small quibble, it is taxpayer money not the governments money.

Posted by Grinemp McGurque9187 2014-11-17 15:19|| 2014-11-17 15:19|| Front Page Top

#21 Under socialism, it all belongs to the government. You're just a steward of their property (as well as property yourself of the state).

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-11-17 15:33|| 2014-11-17 15:33|| Front Page Top

#22 Russians look at all that frozen tundra in Siberia and think a little global warming might not be such a bad thing.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2014-11-17 16:11|| 2014-11-17 16:11|| Front Page Top

#23 personally...

I think changes in the volume of atmosphere = temperature above black body.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2014-11-17 17:21|| 2014-11-17 17:21|| Front Page Top

#24 In a dream or vision from years back, I seemingly saw myself dipping my hand into normally warm Pacific waters only to suddenly or mysteriously discover it was icy "slushy", + saw "myself"? as a young man [future time]?] riding a Guam Mass Transit Authority [GMTA]Bus-Shuttle through similarly icy slushy Agana, Guam streets.

At the time, GWCC includ effect on Asia-Pacific had never been brought up in the MSM [no Net either]. No GMTA either until the idea or concept was brought up in local medias in the late 1970's.

As Solar changes continue, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT ANY SO-CALLED "ICE AGE/MINI-ICE AGE" WILL BE SUCH - MORE LIKE THE "GREAT ASIA-PACIFIC/GUAM SLUSHY".

I could still be wrong, of course, but I don't see anything on the MSM-Net thus far that says I am, or that my dreams or visions are incorrect.

D *** NG IT, BEFORE THE GREAT SLUSHY THERE WAS AL GORE + M16, "JFK", + TEXAS-SIZED ASTEROIDS, + BEFORE THAT THERE WAS MADONNA!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-11-17 21:04|| 2014-11-17 21:04|| Front Page Top

#25 Phil_B, Mars has warmed and cooled roughly in synch with the Earth. Hard to blame anything but the Sun for that.

Posted by rjschwarz 2014-11-17 23:18|| 2014-11-17 23:18|| Front Page Top

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