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2004-11-17 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Atlantis 'just a volcano'
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Posted by Fred 2004-11-17 10:29:02 PM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Actually, the dude is wrong. I identified it as swamp gas and reflection of planet Venus.
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 12:15:08 AM||   2004-11-17 12:15:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 M.I.B.
Posted by mojo  2004-11-17 12:22:46 AM||   2004-11-17 12:22:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I had my hopes up....this discovery meant everything to me....now I am so depressed....I am going to a group therapy session in Boca Rotan now....
Posted by Alaska Paul  2004-11-17 12:30:25 AM||   2004-11-17 12:30:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Mouth rotates?

Sounds like a personal problem, Paul.
Posted by mojo  2004-11-17 12:34:30 AM||   2004-11-17 12:34:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Boca Raton, Mojo....ya know, the Kerry Voters Depression gig...hey! I feel better now, thanks...
Posted by Alaska Paul  2004-11-17 12:37:39 AM||   2004-11-17 12:37:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, I dunno if "mouse mouth" sounds any better...
Posted by mojo  2004-11-17 12:39:45 AM||   2004-11-17 12:39:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Speaking of mouses... Mojo is my cat. Or rather... My cat's named Mojo. He is rather odd (he's just sitting behind me so I don't want to spell it out, not to upset him and blow his self esteem--he might want to go to Boca Rotten for a therapy and I don't have a proper cat container--he's huge).
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 1:18:03 AM||   2004-11-17 1:18:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Sorry, I mean micees, the little rodents that Mojo beheads and leaves stacked in separate fashion on my door mat. Is he a moose-limb? You tell me...
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 1:20:09 AM||   2004-11-17 1:20:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 My predilection for truth is high! I, won't believe in any Atlantis 'sitings' or 'discoveries' until proven with evidence such as revealed in King Tut's discovery; same for Noah's Ark!
Posted by smn 2004-11-17 1:21:05 AM||   2004-11-17 1:21:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 "evidence such as revealed in King Tut's discovery"

What evidence such as was revealed in King Tut's discovery?
Pray, tell...
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 1:25:39 AM||   2004-11-17 1:25:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I was kidding, I meant mice. English my second language is.

~Yoda
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 1:43:54 AM||   2004-11-17 1:43:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Darn , and I thought this was where all the unidentified Sub activity originated . Ahh well , Im still a firm believer that this is where the Zionist Death Ray(tm) is located . Please disprove me !
Posted by MacNails 2004-11-17 6:27:05 AM||   2004-11-17 6:27:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I used to have a cat who would leave me a dead lizard on the doormat. Every day. I think she considered that to be her rent payment.
Posted by Seafarious  2004-11-17 9:54:36 AM||   2004-11-17 9:54:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Seafarious, don't let me talk about squirrels, birds, snakes. Not mucho of lizards here.

Although, Icky David would probably consider me a lizard.
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 10:55:52 AM||   2004-11-17 10:55:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 MacNails, "Please disprove me !"

So, you think that using the magic word will do the trick? Your granma was wrong.

Bwahahahaha
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 11:04:20 AM||   2004-11-17 11:04:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I thought that Atlantis was a place off the coast of a Celtic land-Brittany, Wales, Cornwall, Ireland? There are many "sea swallower" stories, but Atlantis should be connected to the Atlantic, shouldn't it? Does anyone know the origin of the Atlantis story?

BTW-Alan Stivell had a great harp piece called Ys, which tells an Atlantis-style tale of a Breton village swallowed by the sea.
Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-17 11:25:50 AM||   2004-11-17 11:25:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Jules, "which tells an Atlantis-style tale of a Breton village swallowed by the sea. "

So was Port Royal. Happens all the time.

Story of Atlantis is a typical composite, containing some historical elements and as well the concept of 'old golden times', a philosophical essay of sorts.

The story was conveyed to Solon by Egyptian priests, and Plato later expanded it with his utopian overlay.

As for Atlantis-Atlantic connection, as I said earlier (yesterday?), ancient Greeks considered all the ocean waters as Atlantic Ocean.

Hence, Atlantis could have been located virually anywhere on the globe.

Considering the time frame given by priests (9,000 years before Solon's era), linguistic, archaological and geological evidence, I tend to entertain the idea that there was some seafaring civilization at the cusp between the last glacial and current interglacial that found its demise because of rapid changes in environment. It was probably spread, rather than radiating from one center, as the Plato story suggest.

BTW, the name "Atlantis" is rather a label that was created later, the hypothetical civilization, if existed, went very likely by another name. There is a linguistic support for this premise.

There is one good candidate for location of some sort of central power of 'Atlantis' type. It is not located in Atlantic, but rather in Indian Ocean, specifically the Indonesian archipelago. It would take a whole book to explain why that may be so, so I leave it at that, but there is quite a body of evidence that may suport this notion. Maybe one day I'll find time to put this hypothesis together in some logical structure.
Posted by Cornîliës 2004-11-17 12:19:23 PM||   2004-11-17 12:19:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Historically "catastrophic floods" did occur at the start of the current inter-glacial. Along the Columbia River Gorge in Oregon, there are places where you can look 2+ miles across the gorge and see water lines... more than 800 feet above the current river level. The Missoula Floods were on the order of 500 cubic miles in two days.
The trigger for the floods was a glacial dam becoming buoyant.
Posted by Dishman  2004-11-17 1:37:58 PM||   2004-11-17 1:37:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I had a cat once, Bo Diddley, who used to bag one or two birds a day and leave them for me. I got tired of burying the corpses so I "belled" him to put a stop to it. He still managed one or two a week with the bell.
Posted by Xbalanke  2004-11-17 3:15:42 PM||   2004-11-17 3:15:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Dishman & Cornilies-thanks.
Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-17 3:17:49 PM||   2004-11-17 3:17:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Dishman, that's why you found 'great flood' stories virtually in all corners of the world.

Funny, I've geological evidence in my backyard. The sea water level at my location (Sunshine Coast, BC) was about 60m higher than today when the floods hit at the beginning of this interglacial.

If there were any seaports before that when the sea level was about another 70-100m below current level, very little evidence would be left, almost all erased.
Posted by Cornîliës 2004-11-17 3:21:08 PM||   2004-11-17 3:21:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Most evidence for sea levels higher (and lower) than today result from changes in land elevation and not from changes in sea level despite what the MSM would have you believe.

Posted by phil_b 2004-11-17 3:43:53 PM||   2004-11-17 3:43:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Good picture of Dry Falls at the bottom of this long page together with a neat map of Lake Missoula. You can also see the shore lines from the lake on the mountains around Missoula. All around fascinating story told in Cataclysms on the Columbia
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-17 3:47:17 PM||   2004-11-17 3:47:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 And a low tech society wouldn't even notice changes in sea level. They would be too gradual. Unless a below sea level area was flooded as probably happened to the Red Sea 8,000 years ago. Flood myths would have resulted from cataclysmic events, Tsunamis, floods from glacial melting and inundation due to sudden changes in the level of the land after earthquakes.
Posted by phil_b 2004-11-17 3:56:24 PM||   2004-11-17 3:56:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Hail Atlantis!
Posted by Donovan  2004-11-17 4:05:37 PM||   2004-11-17 4:05:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 The story about Solon learning about Atlantis from Egyptian priests and then passing the knowledge to Plato is what *Plato* said about the origin of the story. We have no evidence other than Plato's word that either Solon or Egyptians had even heard of the story, and that it wasn't merely Plato's invention.

As for the Atlantis-Atlantic connection, you people have it backwards. It was the *Atlantic Ocean* that was named after Atlantis, not vice versa. Atlantis itself was named after Atlas, who supposedly was its first king.

Atlantis seems to me to have been nothing but another one of Plato's games with fictional ways of government, this time placed in a fictional setting.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-11-17 5:05:25 PM||   2004-11-17 5:05:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Ah.
Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-17 5:07:43 PM||   2004-11-17 5:07:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 As for the Atlantis-Atlantic connection, you people have it backwards

And there you have it. Thanks Aris.
Posted by Shipman 2004-11-17 5:08:35 PM||   2004-11-17 5:08:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Phil, "Most evidence for sea levels higher (and lower) than today result from changes in land elevation and not from changes in sea level"

In the geological second that covers span of about one millenium or shorter when the changes happened--what is more likely: that all continents jumped up and down violently, or that sea level risen when the continental icebergs melted and then slightly dropped after adjustment when some ice has been deposited back to polar regions and some basins were flooded?

In longer geological preriods that span 100+K years, you are right. Don't forget that flood myths must have been based on preceptible change.

" despite what the MSM would have you believe."

This has nothing to do with MSM.
Posted by Cornîliës 2004-11-17 5:51:28 PM||   2004-11-17 5:51:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Phil, did not see the other comment, where you actually agree with me.
Posted by Cornîliës 2004-11-17 5:53:02 PM||   2004-11-17 5:53:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Aris, "Atlantis itself was named after Atlas, who supposedly was its first king".

Actually, the myth says--Poseidon. Altlas would have been the king of the city, rather than of the whole land mass.

Atlantis does not refer linguistically to a land/civilization, but rather its status afterwards--that it was gone, swallowed by waters.
Of course, when the core of the story was being transformed and the myth was created, people would presume that the land was named after its first king. Since it was called Atlantis, the king would be then--Atlas.

Of couse the ocean was named after it, what gave you the idea that someone said it was opposite. The only thing that I said is that ALL the oceans were referred to as Atlantic Ocean by Solon that got the concept from Egyptian priests, while Plato thought that it refers to waters west of Gibraltar that he took for Herculanean Pillars. Probably because that was the scope of his geographical knowledge at the time.
Posted by Cornîliës 2004-11-17 6:39:11 PM||   2004-11-17 6:39:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Of couse the ocean was named after it, what gave you the idea that someone said it was opposite.

Actually I seem to have made a mistake in the last sentence -- searching for further info, I see that Herodotus mentions the name Atlantic for the sea -- that was long before Plato. So probably nix that.

Shipman> Thanks for the contribution -- appreciated like all the referenced facts you so often provide to support your uh...argument position thingy.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-11-17 8:20:13 PM||   2004-11-17 8:20:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 #15 MacNails, "Please disprove me !"

So, you think that using the magic word will do the trick? Your granma was wrong.

Bwahahahaha
Posted by: Conanista 2004-11-17 11:04:20 AM


run that by me again , not sure i fully comprehend ya . :)
Posted by MacNails 2004-11-17 8:30:54 PM||   2004-11-17 8:30:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Magic word: Please (didn't granma told you?)

It's not in fashion anymore. Whining and seething gets better results today.
Posted by Conanista 2004-11-17 9:05:50 PM||   2004-11-17 9:05:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Aris, a good catch:

"...For that on which the Greeks sail, and the sea beyond the pillars of Heracles, which they call Atlantic, and the Red Sea, are all one...
Posted by Cornîliës 2004-11-17 9:10:16 PM||   2004-11-17 9:10:16 PM|| Front Page Top

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