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2013-11-15 Home Front: Politix
President Obama Threatens To Veto Bipartisan Bill To Fix Cancelled Plans
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Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-11-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ]  Top

#1 In the main time please all of you son of a conservative bitches please look at these FACTs:

1- Sale of private jets costing $50Mill and more were at record levels YTD
2- Sale of homes costing $10Mill and more are going as briskly as ever
3- One Apartment complex in New York were apartments sold at $2.5Mill and more sold out in less than 30 days
4- One Google exec just bought a $25Mill mansion in south of France and a $14Mill condo in NYC
5- One Silicon Valley VC just built a $125M Super Yacht in Istanbul and sailed it with entourage of 100 to Nice
6- Not one major Military program has been cut
7- We are building F35s at cost of $200Mill each as if we are the richest country/people on earth
8- Not one 4 Star General has been layed off or has had his pay cut by even 10%
9- $10s of Billions of Dollars of our Taxes are still being sent, in various form, to Israel.
10- We just built a new Military base in Romania at cost of $12Bill+ staffing it with 1000s of soldiers. Of course why not! After all Romania, about 10000 Miles from US, is so vital to our security needs. Not. This would be analogous to if Russia had built a military base in Mexico. In fact we have Military bases in 150 different countries, a feet that NO other country on this Earth comes even close to duplicating in numbers and costs. In fact we have a Military budget that is LARGER than the Military budget of ALL other countries on Earth combined, indicating beyond a shadow of doubt that we are either the richest people on earth or being bankrupted by our Military budget.
etc. etc.
Posted by  ranters are idiots 2013-11-15 01:29||   2013-11-15 01:29|| Front Page Top

#2 86 That

I was ready for 20 questions and you end up half assed.

Fact. You don't know how to build a house.
Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-15 01:50||   2013-11-15 01:50|| Front Page Top

#3 He doesn't know how to build an outhouse...
Posted by Beavis 2013-11-15 01:57||   2013-11-15 01:57|| Front Page Top

#4 He and his democratic cohorts own it. Please let them continue digging!
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-15 02:48||   2013-11-15 02:48|| Front Page Top

#5 We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.
- Ayn Rand

From the Woodpile.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-15 07:02||   2013-11-15 07:02|| Front Page Top

#6 As Jonah Goldberg noted yesterday, suppose for a moment that the O-Care website rollout for the individual mandate had been a smashing success. Does anyone think that Champ and the Democrats would have generously shared credit with the Pubs?

No, me neither.

Besoeker is correct: Champ and the Dems own this.
Posted by Steve White 2013-11-15 07:38||   2013-11-15 07:38|| Front Page Top

#7 #1 ignores above all else the military size and costs are driven by politicians everyone elects. They create the 'missions' for which the force is designed for.

The present confusion in the civilian mind and the true military mind respecting the purposes of armies and limits of warfare is attributable to many circumstances. Among them, no doubt, is the character of military history as it has commonly been written. Ordinary citizens are lacking in the raw experience of combat, or deficient in technical knowledge, and inclined to leave the compilation of military records to “experts” in such affairs. Writers on general history have tended to neglect the broader aspects of military issues; confining themselves to accounts of campaigns and battles, handled often in a cursory fashion, they have usually written on the wars of their respective countries in order to glorify their prowess, with little or no reference to the question whether these wars were conducted in the military way of high efficiency or in the militaristic way, which wastes blood and treasure.

Even more often, in recent times, general historians have neglected military affairs and restricted their reflections to what they are pleased to call “the causes and consequences of wars”; or they have even omitted them altogether. This neglect may be ascribed to many sources. The first is, perhaps, a recognition of the brutal fact that the old descriptions of campaigns are actually of so little value civilian and military alike. Another has been the growing emphasis on economic and social fields deemed “normal” and the distaste of economic and social historians for war, which appears so disturbing to the normal course of events. Although Adam Smith included a chapter on the subject of military defense in his Wealth of Nations as a regular part of the subject, modern economists concentrate on capital, wages, interest, rent, and other features of peaceful pursuits, largely forgetting war as a phase of all economy, ancient or modern. When the mention the subject of armies and military defense, these are commonly referred to as institutions and actions which interrupt the regular balance of economic life. And the third source of indifference is the effort of pacifists and peace advocates to exclude wars and military affairs from general histories, with the view to uprooting any military or militaristic tendencies from the public mind, on the curious assumption that by ignoring realties the realties themselves will disappear.

This lack of a general fund of widely disseminated military information is perilous to the maintenance of civilian power in government. The civilian mind, presumably concerned with the maintenance of peace and the shaping of policies by the limits of efficient military defense, can derive no instruction from acrimonious disputes between militarists, limitless in their demands, and pacifists, lost in utopian visions. Where the civilians fail to comprehend and guide military policy, the true military men, distinguished from the militarists, are also imperiled. For these the executioners of civilian will, dedicated to the preparation of defense and war with the utmost regard for efficiency, are dependent upon the former.

Again, and again, the military men have seen themselves hurled into war by ambitions, passions, and blunders of civilian governments, almost wholly uninformed as to the limits of their military potentials and almost recklessly indifferent to the military requirements of the wars they let loose. Aware that they may again be thrown by civilians into an unforeseen conflict, perhaps with a foe they have not envisaged, these realistic military men find themselves unable to do anything save demand all the men, guns, and supplies they can possibly wring from the civilians, in the hope that they may be prepared or half prepared for whatever may befall them. In so doing they inevitably find themselves associated with militaristic military men who demand all they can get merely for the sake of having it without reference to ends.

Vagts, Alfred, History of Militarism, rev. 1959, Free Press, NY, pp 33-34.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-15 07:41||   2013-11-15 07:41|| Front Page Top

#8 1- Sale of private jets costing $50Mill and more were at record levels YTD

So what? It's their money.

2- Sale of homes costing $10Mill and more are going as briskly as ever

So what? It's their money.

3- One Apartment complex in New York were apartments sold at $2.5Mill and more sold out in less than 30 days

So what? It's their money.

4- One Google exec just bought a $25Mill mansion in south of France and a $14Mill condo in NYC

So what? It's his money, and he's a Democrat.

5- One Silicon Valley VC just built a $125M Super Yacht in Istanbul and sailed it with entourage of 100 to Nice

So what? It's his money, and he's a Democrat.

6- Not one major Military program has been cut

Wrong.

7- We are building F35s at cost of $200Mill each as if we are the richest country/people on earth

They are $160 million each, and Democrats have joined Republicans to prevent cuts to the F35 program.

8- Not one 4 Star General has been layed off or has had his pay cut by even 10%

Over four dozen generals have been cashiered. General Petreaus was a four star general who now is unemployed.

9- $10s of Billions of Dollars of our Taxes are still being sent, in various form, to Israel.

It is $6 billion and worth every penny. But if you object to giving people in the Middle East money, we just gave money to the Palestinians: that's a TRUE WASTE of our dollars.

10- We just built a new Military base in Romania at cost of $12Bill+ staffing it with 1000s of soldiers. [snip the rest]

You might want to source that. Further, Romania is part of NATO now, so of course we're there. Anytime you want the U.S. to withdraw from NATO, feel free to propose it to your Democratic colleagues.

AoS (moderator)
Posted by Steve White 2013-11-15 07:41||   2013-11-15 07:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Civil, well-reasoned discourse! Waytago, Steve!
Posted by Bobby 2013-11-15 07:54||   2013-11-15 07:54|| Front Page Top

#10 "In fact we have a Military budget that is LARGER than the Military budget of ALL other countries on Earth combined.."

In fact you have your so far up your ass you can't see daylight. The US % is about 40 % of the total. Even with your head up and locked you can see that 40 is smaller than 60.

I'll bet there are hundreds of thousand of Filipinos that are very happy we can park an aircraft carrier just about anywhere in the world we damn well please WHEN we please. Nobody can do that shit head.

Oh…

Fuck Off
Posted by Bangkok Billy 2013-11-15 08:47||   2013-11-15 08:47|| Front Page Top

#11 Gentlemen can easily settle this:

'ranters are idiots' and Bangkok Billy at 15 meters and closing, with entrenching tools. Last man standing buys breakfast on the grounds.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-15 09:09||   2013-11-15 09:09|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm glad the moderators left up the troll dog's meme because the responses, particularly Bangkok Billy's, gave me the first chuckle of the morning. Go Ranters!!
Posted by BrujoTejano 2013-11-15 09:21||   2013-11-15 09:21|| Front Page Top

#13 #1 In the main time (...?! - UP...) please all of you son of a conservative bitches please look at these FACTs (...just cuz you can type it doesn't make it real...):

...Please note that we are, primarily, "Conservative sons of bitches" - even some of the ladies. Thank you...
Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-11-15 09:28||   2013-11-15 09:28|| Front Page Top

#14 You'd be amazed how many jobs are generated by building a 10 million dollar yacht in Maine, and how those jobs raise the general level of economic activity there.

The wealthy don't put their money in their mattresses. They spend it or invest it in productive enterprises.
Posted by KBK 2013-11-15 09:58||   2013-11-15 09:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Har Jerkface Killa gotten a new nym?
Posted by Glenmore 2013-11-15 10:01||   2013-11-15 10:01|| Front Page Top

#16 I think we finally got a supervisor.

Eating bad shrimp and falling in a hole is neither building a latrine or an arguement.
Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-15 10:20||   2013-11-15 10:20|| Front Page Top

#17 Is our friend aware that nearly all $1m+ donations to political parties go to the Democrats? If he dislikes fat cats then he has some house cleaning to do.
Posted by Iblis 2013-11-15 10:32||   2013-11-15 10:32|| Front Page Top

#18 I suggest a Duel to settle this argument, who wants to be Scaramanga and who wants to be James Bond ?

Posted by Sputh Ghibelline1965 2013-11-15 11:02||   2013-11-15 11:02|| Front Page Top

#19 Y'all wanna be careful not to confuse the troll with facts.

As for the airplanes, houses, condos and yachts; there are people who are employed making such items so whenever anybody plunks down money to buy them it helps the economy and provides jobs. I know that's confusing but please try to understand. Besides that you have to consider that some of the purchasers are likely to be beneficiaries of lucrative no-bid contracts to design and build failed websites. Of course, it helps to be an old friend and classmate of Moochelle to land such a contract. Either that or they received government loans to the tune of half a billion dollars to produce solar energy and then went bankrupt. I still don't understand how you go bankrupt when you have a half billion dollars in the bank but then, did we ever get a full and detailed accounting of that incident? We do know that contributors to the Champ's election campaign get an inside track when it comes to securing these loans.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-11-15 11:59||   2013-11-15 11:59|| Front Page Top

#20 I love how trolls come up with worthless and inaccurate facts to back up their little fantasy view of the world. Almost makes me feel sorry for them.



Almost.
Posted by DarthVader 2013-11-15 12:02||   2013-11-15 12:02|| Front Page Top

#21 Har Jerkface Killa gotten a new nym?

IP is in the Los Angeles area, where our other leftwing troll, Play4Keeps, is.
Posted by Pappy 2013-11-15 12:13||   2013-11-15 12:13|| Front Page Top

#22 “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Napoleon

Circular firing squads are interesting to watch. Please pass the popcorn.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-11-15 13:00||   2013-11-15 13:00|| Front Page Top

#23 As for the airplanes, houses, condos and yachts; there are people who are employed making such items so whenever anybody plunks down money to buy them it helps the economy and provides jobs

It goes beyond that, what a Gulfstream does to an area like Savannah is immeasurable. Restaurants, contractors, schools, grocery stores and on and on and on
Posted by Beavis 2013-11-15 13:05||   2013-11-15 13:05|| Front Page Top

#24 "I was for my plan before I was against it"
Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-15 14:00||   2013-11-15 14:00|| Front Page Top

#25 Thanks for that Woodpile link, Besoeker. I just bookmarked it. Ol' Remus is quite a character.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-11-15 14:10||   2013-11-15 14:10|| Front Page Top

#26 It's the Upton bill that has "bipartisan support" that the President is threatening to veto.

No mention of whether the President will veto the proposed Landrieu bill coming out of the Senate, which has some potentially serious legal issues with regards to interfering with the powers of state insurance commissions, while leaving intact the HHS regulations. It also directs insurance companies to violate those same regulations.

The Upton bill skirts the insurance commissions but also effectively nullifies the HHS regulations for a year. It also potentially throws a wrench into the ACA process, which the White House realizes.

Hence the White House's proposed "solution," which is a attempt to weave through the self-laid political minefield.
Posted by Pappy 2013-11-15 14:38||   2013-11-15 14:38|| Front Page Top

#27 In the main time please all of you son of a conservative bitches please look at these FACTs:

I prefer to use the word "сука." After all, it's the one Putin uses every time he thinks about Obama.
Posted by Secret Master 2013-11-15 15:03||   2013-11-15 15:03|| Front Page Top

#28 What's really rich ranter -

under Bush, the 1% captured 65 cents of every dollar created, Under Obama the 1% got 93 cents of every dollar created. In the transition from Bush to Obama, inequality got worse, faster.
- Matt Stoller a fellow at the Roosevelt Institute.
Posted by mossomo 2013-11-15 19:28||   2013-11-15 19:28|| Front Page Top

#29 Meanwhile, back on the subject...... Let O veto the bipartisan bill and pi$$ off both parties. Now O will again own this pile of $h!t law he and the dems rammed through.

Feeling lucky, punk?
/channeling Dirty Harry
Posted by Alaska Paul 2013-11-15 20:15||   2013-11-15 20:15|| Front Page Top

#30 Steve, your a true gentleman. I would have told the troll to fuck off, after I had a talk with his parents about unmonitored computer usage.
Posted by 49 Pan 2013-11-15 21:57||   2013-11-15 21:57|| Front Page Top

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