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2022-11-14 China-Japan-Koreas
'Our ship is quietly sinking': the US recognizes the superiority of Chinese destroyers
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Posted by badanov 2022-11-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ]  Top

#1 The quality of modern guided missiles and t0rped0s is such that no surface combatant will last long in a hot war.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-11-14 06:50||   2022-11-14 06:50|| Front Page Top

#2 There are two types of warships in the water. Submarines and targets.
Posted by Lowspark 2022-11-14 07:29||   2022-11-14 07:29|| Front Page Top

#3 I wonder who benefited from the Zumwalt class? Who was its 'champion'?
Posted by Bobby 2022-11-14 08:19||   2022-11-14 08:19|| Front Page Top

#4 The notion that the history of the US Navy is not positively littered with failed classes of ships is something only someone not paying attention could entertain.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-11-14 08:21||   2022-11-14 08:21|| Front Page Top

#5 Watch the Chinese do damage control drills. They can't do it. Our destroyers would at least float home for the most part. Theirs wouldn't.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-14 09:55||   2022-11-14 09:55|| Front Page Top

#6 ^ Can't even say Fire Control
Posted by Frank G 2022-11-14 09:58||   2022-11-14 09:58|| Front Page Top

#7 I remember believing that the Moskva was undefeatable.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-11-14 10:10||   2022-11-14 10:10|| Front Page Top

#8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Vesuvius_(1888), the third ship of the United States Navy named for the Italian volcano, was a unique vessel in the Navy inventory which marked a departure from more conventional forms of main battery armament. She is considered a dynamite gun cruiser and was essentially an operational testbed for large dynamite guns.
...and you thought that the LCS was a silly design concept: Vesuvius carried three 15-inch (38 cm) cast-iron pneumatic guns...?!?
Posted by magpie 2022-11-14 10:13||   2022-11-14 10:13|| Front Page Top

#9 ^link... USS Vesuvius(1988)
Posted by magpie 2022-11-14 10:15||   2022-11-14 10:15|| Front Page Top

#10 ^Eighteen 88
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-11-14 10:25||   2022-11-14 10:25|| Front Page Top

#11 My two favorite bad idea weapons systems were blip enhance and Subroc.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-11-14 10:52||   2022-11-14 10:52|| Front Page Top

#12 If a Chinese ship class or weapons system was underperforming, or just plain worthless, would anyone tell Xi?

Also: Does the Chinese military have training accidents? I never read about any, which could mean (1) the information is suppressed or (2) the Chinese are so good that they never have accidents or (3) the Chinese aren't realistically training.
Posted by Matt 2022-11-14 11:07||   2022-11-14 11:07|| Front Page Top

#13 However, rest assured, all the senior officers in charge in the development, building, and deployments received lots of medals and impeccable ratings.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-11-14 11:20||   2022-11-14 11:20|| Front Page Top

#14 #1 and #3 is the most likely answers Matt.

Navy people in my veteran's groups I've talked to say when they trained with the Chinese around 2008-2014 the Chinese navy personal were just shit. Didn't know their jobs, officers treated enlisted like slaves, poor maintenance, lack of damage control knowledge, etc.

It is possible they have gotten better, but in a totalitarian system I doubt it. It is easier to build a navy than to build a warrior culture that can win. Just ask our current Navy that is trying its best from the top to destroy that culture.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-14 11:29||   2022-11-14 11:29|| Front Page Top

#15 #magpie : also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-beh4vIY8E
Posted by James  2022-11-14 13:58|| https://idontknowbut.blogspot.com  2022-11-14 13:58|| Front Page Top

#16 General Dynamics appears to be everyone's piggybank. "https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2021/09/... WebSep 03, 2021 · WASHINGTON — The third and final Zumwalt-class destroyer conducted its builder’s trials this week, returning to General Dynamics’ Bath Iron Works on Sept. 1
Posted by Slavising Unineting5672 2022-11-14 16:56||   2022-11-14 16:56|| Front Page Top

#17 
Posted by ACA JOE 2022-11-14 17:09||   2022-11-14 17:09|| Front Page Top

#18 
Posted by ACA JOE 2022-11-14 17:14||   2022-11-14 17:14|| Front Page Top

#19 Comatose Joe just stated he doen't see any imminent threat of China invading Taiwan. So... March it is!
Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-11-14 17:22||   2022-11-14 17:22|| Front Page Top

#20 It’s interesting on how this heavily polluted Eastern European immigrants Jews blog and their owners handlers are lying to their readers glorifying an evil and corrupt government that is stealing from is citizens, and even “Partners and allies “, this fascist dictatorship and the crappy retrograde navy’s that this evil use, will kill thousands of young Americans sailors and everyone of the molding residents posters cubicle in here is spitting out their bs in adoration and adulation of the floating caskets

Allah may damn you… and yours

Do you have a later standup gig scheduled?
Posted by badanov 2022-11-14 17:34||   2022-11-14 17:34|| Front Page Top

#21 I'm sorry but were the 'Zumwalt' class intended for anti-ship warfare or coastal support. They were supposedly littoral, ie coastline.
Posted by Silentbrick 2022-11-14 17:34||   2022-11-14 17:34|| Front Page Top

#22 
Posted by ACA JOE 2022-11-14 17:41||   2022-11-14 17:41|| Front Page Top

#23 Interesting Joe. I've somehow missed this piece. Could you possibly send a supporting link or two ?
Posted by Besoeker 2022-11-14 17:44||   2022-11-14 17:44|| Front Page Top

#24  were the 'Zumwalt' class intended for anti-ship warfare or coastal support. They were supposedly littoral, ie coastline.

There is a "clitoral warfare" joke in there somewhere, but I am much to dignified to make it. Don't forget to tip your waitress!
Posted by SteveS 2022-11-14 17:51||   2022-11-14 17:51|| Front Page Top

#25 Europeans will kick out USA out of their garden…

I believe Joe is referring to an incident that took place at Das Olive Garden in Berlin where some of the junior US diplomatic staff became unruly and were asked to leave. This has been hushed up for the usual reasons.
Posted by SteveS 2022-11-14 19:35||   2022-11-14 19:35|| Front Page Top

#26 JOE - your second/third hand English is showing. Alcohol or Spittle? Why not both(!)?
Posted by Frank G 2022-11-14 20:28||   2022-11-14 20:28|| Front Page Top

#27 Allah may damn you… and yours

Don't worry. The flying spaghetti monster will eat him and his followers first.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-14 20:56||   2022-11-14 20:56|| Front Page Top

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