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2006-11-14 Iraq

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Posted by phil_b 2006-11-14 04:03|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It's now 150, all Sunnis.

Posted by phil_b 2006-11-14 06:51|| 2006-11-14 06:51|| Front Page Top

#2 Odd - the Education Minister's position went to a Sadrist, Khodair al-Khozaei, according to Wikipedia... Perhaps they're just now "cleansing" this site of its Sunnis. It's only fair, of course, under the sectarian arrangements in the Iraqi "constitution". It's prolly traditional to kill them, too.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 07:48|| 2006-11-14 07:48|| Front Page Top

#3 Oh, wait - it's the Higher Education Ministry, which is a Sunni allocation. Of course, now it all makes sense why it'd be chock full of Sunnis. Definitely, they'll hafta be killed.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 07:50|| 2006-11-14 07:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Fraking barbarians. Crap like this makes me think dark thoughts about the "Nuke Them All" way of treating them. Religion Of Peace, yeah right.

Gawd how I hate it when the President uses that line. Islam doesnt mean peace, thats Salaam. Islam means SURRENDER, literally, your surrender.

Ok President Bush, where's your Religion Of Peace?

They seem to be damn busy slaughtering each other right now...

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-14 08:47|| 2006-11-14 08:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Bush has already surrendered so it is a religion of ~~Submission~~ "Peace".

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-11-14 09:26|| 2006-11-14 09:26|| Front Page Top

#6 I thought everyone in Irag had guns. No way these guys would take a smart person without a fight if they knew they were going to die, just somewhere else.

Posted by plainslow 2006-11-14 09:45|| 2006-11-14 09:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Bush has already surrendered so it is a religion of ~~Submission~~ "Peace".

Yet another step-in-the-road towards this site becoming a branch of the Daily Kos. Maybe y'all should hit up Soros to pay for your bandwidth?

It's all the same "emotions" as Kos, but with different faulty logic behind it.

ANd it's really useful for letting the "BettyCrockerCrats" pretend they're serious about defense, because people can come to a "conservative" site and see nothing but a tsunami of bullshit.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2006-11-14 10:38|| 2006-11-14 10:38|| Front Page Top

#8 I've reached the opinion that we've tried to save the Moslem Middle East from Islamism via a democratic experiment and are very close to failing. The cost so far has been relatively high, both in terms of our heroic soldiers who have fallen and treasury expended.

The cost will be much higher once the Democrats deliberately sabotage the democratic experiment. Much higher than what followed the abandonment of South Vietnam to communists.

But I don't lay all the blame at the feet of Democrats. A Republican majority failed to make the case for the destruction of Iran and Syria. And Moslems failed to take care of their own problems.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-11-14 10:42|| 2006-11-14 10:42|| Front Page Top

#9 Phil,

How else would you explain the backpeddaling, appeasement, never standing up to the MSM lead charge to whitewash what the real Islam is?

Here is some emotion for you, put on a damn burka while putting your head in the sand.
A lot in the military (I know, I work with them) only support Bush because he at least makes a half hearted attempt at removing some of the terrorist leaders. The rest, the clerics, can still plot and spew their rants from the safety of their Mosques, which we can't touch without an act of God, and from behind their state sponsored hosts, which we will never touch even with an act of God.

We are fighting this war with both hands and feet tied behind our backs, never attempting to touch the real leaders behind the movements while trying to make nice and go all PC so the world doesn't hate us more than it already does (most don't, they just don't want us rocking the boat since they might get hurt circa 1930s).

We are close to loosing this round of the fight and taking some real heavy casualties here at home. The US is faltering and empowering those that would do us great harm and I'm sick and tired of idiots like you not seeing what is happening and then berating us for telling what is really going on.
Go over to Kos, since you like them so much and practice your bowing east. Looks like you are gonna need it.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-11-14 10:54|| 2006-11-14 10:54|| Front Page Top

#10 Bush is also about to sell us out at the border. He never did want a border fence, and now he is planning an amnesty for all his Mexican friends. Phalk him, I'm sorry I didn't back Gary Bower.

Posted by wxjames 2006-11-14 11:05|| 2006-11-14 11:05|| Front Page Top

#11 Bush, you prick. What the fuck have you done for me lately, eh?

Doesn't matter if the Iraqis are their own masters, now. Doesn't matter that they elected this pile of Shia Shiit. Doesn't matter that Arabs are a lost cause when there are other Muzzies to be killed. I want somebody's ass on a platter - right now, goddamnit.

None of it matters. You're a worthless scumball who's never done nuthin'. War on Terror? What fucking war? Fucking pussy.

And where's that goddamned fence? I called for it weeks ago, you asshole. I don't care if you need Congress to do their bit - you're a worthless piece of shit and I'm glad you're gonna be a lame duck for your last two years. Jerkoff.

Who cares if the Dhimmis set us back 10 years in the next two? Not me, man, I want fucking revenge and I want it now, baby. You're it.

What have I ever done? Well, I'm a voter and, uh, um, I sent you a message - one you'll never forget. I put the Enemies of the State in power and I'm glad. GLad - do you hear me - glad. Fucking Republicans. Fucking Bush. Fucking fuck fuck fuck.

I'm mad as hell and I'm gonna blame you for everything that's wrong - everything. You're not allowed to displease me or act contrary to my wishes. You're my goddamned pet clone - do you hear me? Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Die.

/Howard NeoBeales of the Apocalypse

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 11:41|| 2006-11-14 11:41|| Front Page Top

#12 The current situation is obviously (by the insurgents) modeled off the Algerian Islamic revolt.
Ask the Algerian generals for some ruthless troops to put this shit down.

Or... try some interesting non-traditional warfare ... oh that's right ... we are to moral to do non-traditional war....

Just for one week I would love to see Israel add LSD into Gaza's water supply... You know as an uncontroled experiment so see if extreme drugs make any difference in a barbarbian enviroment. The experiment should be followed with deep interest by Pelozi's SanFran electorate... Maybe on a reality sat tv?

If it mellows them it should work in Baghdad? No?

Posted by 3dc 2006-11-14 12:12|| 2006-11-14 12:12|| Front Page Top

#13 I took hundreds of acid trips. Made me mellow.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 12:19|| 2006-11-14 12:19|| Front Page Top

#14 .com, lol!

You forgot the obligatory spit on Rummy. It's all his fault too. And Karl Rove.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 12:20|| 2006-11-14 12:20|| Front Page Top

#15 It was those "unknown unknowns" which held me back, anon, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 12:21|| 2006-11-14 12:21|| Front Page Top

#16 yeah, right...mellow like "expensive" moonshine

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 12:23|| 2006-11-14 12:23|| Front Page Top

#17 P.D. It's a classic.

I read the comments and was reminded of the comic of years gone by "I have seen the enemy and he is us." Things are is going to get bad, we can't be slitting each other throats without reason.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-11-14 12:30|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-11-14 12:30|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm feeling real contrite, now, SPoD. Mods, please remove one or two fucks for me, K?

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 12:38|| 2006-11-14 12:38|| Front Page Top

#19 Then it wouldn't be a classic anymore, PD...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-14 12:39|| 2006-11-14 12:39|| Front Page Top

#20 Am I correct in interpreting #11 more or less as, "Oh, for cryin' out loud, stop blaming Bush for every damn thing!!"?

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-14 12:41|| 2006-11-14 12:41|| Front Page Top

#21 Academics and researchers have been frequent targets of violence in Iraq.

This smells of Islamic roots. Could be that these "academics" pissed off a couple of mullanimals. I'm thinking these folks are dead, beheaded for allah.

Posted by Icerigger 2006-11-14 12:45|| 2006-11-14 12:45|| Front Page Top

#22 Well, um, yeah, I guess so, Dave D.

Y'see, I gots this "Credit where Due, Blame where Due" credo thingy which kinda prevents me from blaming my hang-nails and unfulfilled Christmas wishes on other folks... and reminds me it could be a LOT worse. Like the next two fucking years are gonna be... Oops, sorry. My bad.

Those gosh-darned Shia, I tell ya, they really do sorta irk me, sometimes, y'know?

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 12:50|| 2006-11-14 12:50|| Front Page Top

#23 Thinkin' and learning must be centered on and only about allen. These poor people worship the wrong allen and are thinkin' about stuff other than allen or something like that.

It an excuse, it's ramping up pressure on the Iraqi government and us and it's sectarian. It is to encourage the dhimmi to cut and run and the Iraqi government to colapse. We know who the leaders behind this stuff are but since we have "honor" and play by the "rules" this stuff will continue to happen. It's past time to drop a cement truck or two on the people behind this stuff, Sheite or not.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-11-14 12:54|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-11-14 12:54|| Front Page Top

#24 Well, it better be good acid, not that speedy shit if it is going to work. Actually an interesting idea given the navel gazing that goes hand in hand with psychedelic drugs. Navel gazing is not something that islam promotes. Maybe their heads would all explode.

Posted by remoteman 2006-11-14 12:57|| 2006-11-14 12:57|| Front Page Top

#25 "Well, um, yeah, I guess so, Dave D."

Heh. Yeah, I figger'd that's what you was sayin'...

One thing I think the Administration really did mess up on, though, is in their apparent assumption that the American people could be relied on to figure out for themselves what we are trying to do in Iraq (the "see if Islam can be pacified by democracy" thing), even in the face of continual MSM/Donk efforts to discredit it. They didn't do the guidance thing, the laying out of the big picture, and I believe they could have done a lot more.

[/dickless whining]

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-14 12:59|| 2006-11-14 12:59|| Front Page Top

#26 Lol... Black Osley or Orange Barrel? Decisions, decisions. Pssst - the Purple Flats are actually horse tranqs... pass it on. 8-p

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 13:00|| 2006-11-14 13:00|| Front Page Top

#27 A couple gallons of Liquid from Pelozi's home district should do it.... Sources should be easy to aquire. Just check any MSM private jet leaving SanFran..
Ya' know before the UPS guys get rid of it.

I think it would do wonders for the the Friday Services...

Posted by 3dc 2006-11-14 13:07|| 2006-11-14 13:07|| Front Page Top

#28 Yep, the leadership made some dumb moves, both military and civilian - e.g. like stopping in Fallujah and Najaf for political support that never materialized (Why, he didn't ask? Cuz they're fucking ARABS, goddamnit!), the delegation of authority we all cheered as proof that it wasn't gonna be another McNamara War was fumbled like a greasy pigskin on ice - several times - and eventually overtaken by the sovereignty thingy, and whatever message they tried to deliver was drowned out by the entire fucking world MSM. Lotsa blame to go around. And a smattering of credit, here 'n there.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 13:09|| 2006-11-14 13:09|| Front Page Top

#29 My thinking has changed a lot on this. I hope the entire middle east (save Israel) descends into a civil war. How else are we going to purge the radical islamist scum that occupies significant parts of the entire area? This nation doesn't have the will anymore for military action on any scale. Oh how the last of the Greatest Generation must be looking at the rubber-kneed fools in office now. These good-for-nothing leftists are on a two track system to bring the nation to its knees. Internally bog us down with more and more socialism (Thanks Bush for the new Medicare Drug welfare program and the bloated spending and thanks Hillary for the coming takeover of the Healthcare industry etc, etc, etc.) and externally they will pacify and surrender to the threats that faces us. Which track brings us down first? These clowns will be in diapers by the time they figure out what they've done. They will have burned through all the money their parents left to them leaving the next generation the job of caring for them. I do have to say though, the thought of a diapers clad Bill and Hillary or Howard Dean stuck in a gummint old age home sounds ok to me.

Sorry about getting off track...

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-11-14 13:18|| 2006-11-14 13:18|| Front Page Top

#30 Yet another step-in-the-road towards this site becoming a branch of the Daily Kos. Maybe y'all should hit up Soros to pay for your bandwidth?

It's all the same "emotions" as Kos, but with different faulty logic behind it.

Phil that was low - plus it was weak and stupid as an argument - you're the one pulling a "Kos" here.

Please point out the faulty logic in my calling the president's use of "Religion of Peace" when referring to Islam. And show convincingly how I'm doing Soro's work. I'm interested in how you managed to wrap yourself so far around the axle that you'd see things that way. And I do know Islam, I've studied it off an on since the early 80's when I first took comparative religions, then learned Arabic Iraqi-dialect at DLI, which included a huge dose of the culture. I've been over ther in peacetime and at war in the arab world, and have first hand experience at the non-arab Islamic world as well.

Islam is now where Christianity was centuries ago - still sounding out violence and faith. Unfortunately for them, as Pope Benedict has pointed out, they have carte blanche to abandon reason and use force explicitly to either convert or kill unbelievers, and to subjugate "people of the book". this alone makes it tend toward violence - this makes it uniqeu as a relgion that *requires* initiation of force without cause, as a way of converting adherents.

Its all there in black and white. The only peace in Islam comes AFTER submission to their authority. And that's why the President should refrain from using that term. Islam means submission, literally and figuratively. Period.

I know WHY Bush said "ROP", its political. But I severely disagree with his reasoning and judgement on this issue. That hardly puts me in league with Soros.

The truth hurts but it must eventually be said:

Islam as it stands today: The dominance of Persian Fundamentalist Shia, and Arab Wahabbi/Salafist Sunnis, and their tendency toward imposing Sharia along with their strict hierarchical view of the world, as well as their promotion of militancy, intolerance and the abandonment/subjugation of reason - that makes Islam a cult of violence, and the antithesis of western civilization, a threat to its very survival. Calling it something other than what it is, is aiding and abetting the willful blinding of the west to the threat at hand.

Remember your Burke.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-14 13:24|| 2006-11-14 13:24|| Front Page Top

#31 "...rubber-kneed fools in office now"

Rofl. Yah, well, you're traveling back 'n forth in time, there. The voters have spoken, and rubber knees are everywhere. Now, it's just lame. Soon, it will be something else entirely...

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 13:26|| 2006-11-14 13:26|| Front Page Top

#32 Yeah, strike the "now". This has been building for a long while.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-11-14 13:36|| 2006-11-14 13:36|| Front Page Top

#33 I'm sooo there, bro.

This moment in time is what I think a rational person would say is what they had in mind when they said, "and it all looks like up to me"...

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 13:44|| 2006-11-14 13:44|| Front Page Top

#34 old spook - I've got to disagree with you when you say Islam is now where Christianity was centuries ago - still sounding out violence and faith

Christianity has always been a peaceful religion. There have been many atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, but the religion itself has always been one of tolerance, forgiveness and charity. I know that you know that.

I'm bringing this up because I was thinking about this earlier. Religions stick around for thousands of years because they are good ideas and it is tough to kill a good idea. The major religions give good advice on how to get the most out of life. The boring kind - like if you want to lose weight you should eat less and exercise more. But if you do it, it works.

But then I thought about Islam. Islam has been around for centuries as well. Islam doesn't seem to help the societies in which it is practiced. Ahh - but Islam requires converting by the sword. It has to kill anyone that disagrees or questions it. Why? It wouldn't survive without it.

just musing.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 13:46|| 2006-11-14 13:46|| Front Page Top

#35 More musing...

you know what is going to kill Islam? Rap.

I'm serious. Rap will kill Islam. You've seen the videos that are coming out from the islamic rappers in Paris and elsewhere. It's violent and frightening in that it will increase rape and other violent crime.

That rap threatens the clerics. Why? Because it is cool and it attracts the kind of people that the clerics need to blow themselves up. Those full of hate and anger and who want what they want now. It's easy to pass around on cell phones or computers. But it is self-indulgent and those who create it will soon question the clerics and muftis. They will soon have their own followers, their own clergy. They won't be able to keep it down or control it.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 13:53|| 2006-11-14 13:53|| Front Page Top

#36 Let's get back on topic:

How's this for a scenario? We go to the Sunnis and read them the riot act. Tell them that only if they agree to halt this internecine slaughter will we do anything to rescure their fellow hostages.

If they agree, we use special forces to rescue these chumps the best we can.

If Sunnis do not agree or backpedal on the agreement, we pull back to our bases for 30 days and let these maggots go at each others' throats for an entire month.

Let the Sunnis get their ass handed to them on a plate and give the democrats a foretaste of what retreat will mean in Iraq. This will only strengthen what is left of any valid position on why Iraq requires our presence.

To paraphrase OldSpook; What's the use of a bully pulpit if you're going to mumble?

The White House needs to get off of its ass and crank up an office of military media that begins to highlight our successes in the way thet the MSM refuses to do. Aside from the almost unavoidable historical insanity of letting politicians fight a military battle, the lack of honest propaganda about this war has been one of the most glaring lapses in reason for the republicans with respect to Iraq.

The White House is well aware of the MSM's opposition to all things Bush. Rathergate should have cemented that notion forever. Why they have not sought to counteract this dripfeed of ideological poison into our nation's bloodstream is beyond me. The republicans paid dearly for it and will do so again if they cannot bring themselves to correct this situation in the next two years.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 13:58|| 2006-11-14 13:58|| Front Page Top

#37 How can a prefectly normal democracy produce a clusterfuckingquagmire like the newly elected Congress ?
a. too many voters receiving a daily dose of misinformation.
b. career politicians out of touch with the issues of the street.
c. parties with political agendas so repugnant that they must mask their reality by running political puppets speaking one way and voting another.
d. lack of enough moral fiber to oppose criminal behavior among candidates.
e. media attempts to coverup reality and substitute critical issues with superficial missing persons.
f. confusion among voters as to who controls the weather.
g. all of the above.
h. experimental voting patterns.
i. voting machine disfunctions.
j. it's the will of the people.

Posted by wxjames 2006-11-14 14:06|| 2006-11-14 14:06|| Front Page Top

#38 Religions stick around for thousands of years because they are good ideas and it is tough to kill a good idea.

What you are calling a "good idea" is better known as a meme. A meme does not have to be a "good idea" in order to survive. It merely needs to be a convincing or persuasive concept that will self-generate thereafter. Memes do not always confer beneficial properties upon those who convey them, just like polio or AIDS. Islam DOES NOT bring with all sorts of "good advice on how to get the most out of life" for the masses.

Islam is all about conferring power upon an elite few and enabling the weakest intellects under them to survive by granting these underlings unearned privileges. Islam subjugates almost half of its population (i.e., women) in abject captivity and abuse thereby rewarding the weak intellects for supporting it. It is NOT a "good idea", it is a virulent and toxic meme that manages to survive through parasitism and forcible subjugation. Islam's complete and total lack of civilizational progress is testimony to how stagnant and counter-evolutionary this meme is.

But then I thought about Islam. Islam has been around for centuries as well. Islam doesn't seem to help the societies in which it is practiced. Ahh - but Islam requires converting by the sword. It has to kill anyone that disagrees or questions it. Why? It wouldn't survive without it.

See above. Also, Christianity DID go through a phase of extreme violence. Ask the Jewish people. Perpetuation of an monstrous lie called "The Blood Libel" was used to justify the most hideous treatment of Jews for CENTURIES. Yes, Christianity has now evolved beyond that, thank goodness.

Unfortunately, due to the existence of weapons of mass destruction, we do not have the luxury of allowing Islam a similar evolution, if it is even possible for it to evolve. This goes back to my first points in that it is entirely possible that Islam will NEVER EVOLVE.

All indications are of a stagnant ideology that, through administration of force, violence and extreme subjugation, has managed to persist despite imposing severe retrograde conditions upon its adherents. Islam is essentially a kleptocracy for a very elite few and a mode of control for the ranks of cannon fodder below.

Islam's death penalty for apostasy guarantees perpetuation of its meme in an untampered with form. The persistence of this meme is assisted by the unearned status conferred upon its adherents. Merely examine the constant demands made by Muslims for preferential treatment if you need any proof of this. This fixation with unmerited status (dhimmitude) and unearned wealth (jizya), constitute the most dangerous components of this meme and represent significant reasons to exterminate it if it cannot be rehabilitated. Again, the very nature of this meme and the self-defense mechnisisms it has put in place in order to survive unaltered make it most likely that extinction is the only probable outcome.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 14:25|| 2006-11-14 14:25|| Front Page Top

#39 Sometimes I wish .com would finally go postal to get it over with.

Posted by Clanter Flineque8995 2006-11-14 14:38|| 2006-11-14 14:38|| Front Page Top

#40 Sometimes I wish .com would finally go postal to get it over with.

The living would envy the dead!

[/Herschel Krustofsky]

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 14:50|| 2006-11-14 14:50|| Front Page Top

#41 Zenster - I was perfectly serious!
Serious. We don't think out of the box enough!

They need to be mind-fucked!
Face their deamons head on and see what shits they are!
If you don't like that one there is a certain gas that is a bit stronger ok 1000times... and will certainly stop the fighting for awhile as they will not have enough running to figure out what the hell a gun is!

Posted by 3dc 2006-11-14 15:02|| 2006-11-14 15:02|| Front Page Top

#42 3dc, I understand where you're coming from, but the last thing we need is accusations of using chemical warfare, even if it is of the psy-ops variety. Yes, the jihadists need a major mindfuck. No doubt about it. I would prefer to see it come in the form of having large crowds of Muslims gather for a speech only to watch their favorite spittle flecked cleric get his head blown clean off or take a Hellfire missile up the shorts.

The other mindfuck that needs to go down is the air-dropped distribution of a highly realistic Middle East version of "The Day After Tomorrow". We need to show Muslims what sort of catastrophic nuclear immolation awaits another major Islamic atrocity.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 15:12|| 2006-11-14 15:12|| Front Page Top

#43 we dont need no water
let the motherfucker burn
burn motherfucker burn

Posted by come on party people 2006-11-14 15:14|| 2006-11-14 15:14|| Front Page Top

#44 A meme

call it whatever you want, Zenster. It changes nothing. Some people call it a duck, some call it a bird, some call it a foul. It is what it is.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 15:22|| 2006-11-14 15:22|| Front Page Top

#45 Iraqi Forces surround hostage takers.

Posted by doc 2006-11-14 15:38|| 2006-11-14 15:38|| Front Page Top

#46 Zenster, I've got to go with anon on this one. Islam does, in fact, confer some benefits on its adherents, in that it gives them something all humans seem to need, which is...I don't know what to call it. Connection with the divine, maybe; maybe just a set of comforting rituals. However you want to frame it, Islam provides some benefits to its believers. The dark side is the tools the religion provides to create more believers: force as a matter of doctrine.

Posted by Jonathan">Jonathan 2006-11-14 15:42|| 2006-11-14 15:42|| Front Page Top

#47 "Islam is all about conferring power upon an elite few"

Exactly - that is why I mentioned hierarchical nature. As opposed to individualism the Christianity supports, Islam supports surrender to those above you and surrender to you of those below you.

It goes back to almost Babylonian times in terms of they way they see the world.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-14 15:43|| 2006-11-14 15:43|| Front Page Top

#48 "It goes back to almost Babylonian times in terms of they way they see the world."

-and may I add the way they see the world is my tribe over yours.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-11-14 16:01|| 2006-11-14 16:01|| Front Page Top

#49 Are the Iraqis going to pull a Ruskie style theater raid w/gas to recover the hostages? This could get interesting.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-11-14 16:03|| 2006-11-14 16:03|| Front Page Top

#50 A meme.

Why don't you try asking .com about this. I'm fairly confident he might be willing to post something about it.

call it whatever you want, Zenster. It changes nothing.

I sure as hell refuse to call Islam a "good idea". Certainly not when it seeks to kill half or more of this world's population. I'd suggest that you reconsider as well.

Some people call it a duck, some call it a bird, some call it a foul. It is what it is.

Nice little Freudian slip there. I call it "foul" because Islam steals from many to empower a very few. This is the exact opposite of modern Christianity, although even Christianity once served in that capacity, as in the divine right of kings thingy.

Zenster, I've got to go with anon on this one. Islam does, in fact, confer some benefits on its adherents, in that it gives them something all humans seem to need, which is...I don't know what to call it.

Try calling it "divine authorization". It has little, if anything, to do with enlightenment. It has everything to do with imposing control of the masses. Equating it to a social contract like the Ten Commandments is being far too generous, precisely because of the preferential empowerment of men over women and Muslims over the kufar. Again, Christianity went through this phase as well in how it regarded heathen. Any of you who doubt this should watch "The Mission" with Robert De Niro.

I suggest that you pay close attnetion to what OldSpook is trying to tell you.

Exactly - that is why I mentioned hierarchical nature. As opposed to individualism the Christianity supports, Islam supports surrender to those above you and surrender to you of those below you.

It goes back to almost Babylonian times in terms of they way they see the world.

Islam is not an enlightened creed. Its treatment of women renders any such claim null and void. If it spews like a terrorist, subjugates like a terrorist and kills like a terrorist, IT AIN"T A RELIGION, it's a viral meme.

Paging .com. If you would be so kind, sir.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 16:08|| 2006-11-14 16:08|| Front Page Top

#51 Zen, you've missed my point. Islam may not be enlightened but it is a religion and it does something for its adherents that humans require. It may not be enlightenment, but it does satisfy spiritual needs. That's why it's so much more dangerous than, say, communism, and why one good way to counter it is direct confrontation by another belief system: perhaps a militant Christianity, perhaps a reformed Islam. We've just got to hold it off long enough for the reformation to take place (perhaps).

Posted by Jonathan">Jonathan 2006-11-14 16:22|| 2006-11-14 16:22|| Front Page Top

#52 Its not reformable?
Consider its basic tenets and verse are suppose to be word from word exact from Allen as transmitted to man thorugh is epileptic medium Mohammand.

Not open for interp at all.

Posted by 3dc 2006-11-14 16:32|| 2006-11-14 16:32|| Front Page Top

#53 Again, I resist any urging to call Islam a religion. It is a political ideology masquerading as a religion. Period. Consider how well Islam satisfies the supposed "spiritual needs" of Muslim women, and the horrific price they pay as part of this creed. Consider the intense warping of mind, body and soul that Islam's pervasive sexual child abuse (see: Chesler, et al) has upon its practicioners.

I definitely agree with you that the putatively religious nature of Islam makes it far more dangerous than communism, although they both shared similar elements of zealotry. Islam's afterlife components are what probably elevate its threat level.

As I have mentioned before, unless an Islamic sect of radical reformists arises and arises damn soon, Islam will probably end up being exterminated. Only radical reformists stand a chance of killing off sufficient numbers of the jihadis soon enough to prevent them from committing an atrocity of such jaw-dropping magnitude that we are mandatorily obliged to annihilate the entire MME (Muslim Middle East).

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 16:35|| 2006-11-14 16:35|| Front Page Top

#54 I do have to say though, the thought of a diapers clad Bill and Hillary or Howard Dean stuck in a gummint old age home sounds ok to me.

I would rather see them wearing blindfolds and standing on the trapdoor to a gallows myself. Bush41 & 43 as well. And, Bush is going to attempt to push his immigration agenda through and the Dems will be most obliging. Look for some gun control and an AWB like ban as well tacked right onto that sucker.

It is probably going to be impossible to survive (as a nation)the cumulative effects of the next two years. I see Civil War, or possible seccession by possibly the Southern States at least, it will be led by Texas. The Mountain States will be probably follow. We might have to shed the two coasts entirely, then retake when they fold. I was hoping for a calmer and more peaceful time for my 50's & 60's. Maybe I'll move to India or Australia. Hard to believe that the Left could screw things so badly. Whatever happens, it's going to go very quickly. Crap.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-14 16:36|| 2006-11-14 16:36|| Front Page Top

#55 groan. First, it doesn't appear that you actually read what I wrote - despite the fact that you cut and pasted it.

Second, Islam is a religion. Call it a meme if it makes you happy.

I don't like the Democrats, but they are still a part of our Republic and I don't like what is happening to our Republic. I don't like that illegal immigrants get to negate my vote. I don't like that our congressmen and Senators believe themselves to be Princes above the law. But none of that changes the meaning of the ideal that our founding fathers intended when they created this Republic, which has produced the most free and prosperous society in recorded history - even with Pelosi in charge (for now).

The point of the above being that a "Republic" is a form of government that was a good idea. it was based on Christian Principles and Roman Democracy. Currently, it is the best available. It may fail. People may corrupt it. Within a Republic you can always find examples of how it is NOT working or how it was abused. And if you focus only on that, it starts to look like a bad thing rather than what is clearly overall a good thing.

Likewise Islam is a religion. It may not work well and my point was that it can not exist without the sword - unlike Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, etc. It is not an idea that will reseed itself just becaue it works. It has to be forced, by the sword, to spread.

Grapefruit diets come and go. But the idea of "eat less and exercise more" never goes away.

These are all analogies. If you can't make the connection, then I can't help you.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 16:53|| 2006-11-14 16:53|| Front Page Top

#56 You can cut the condescending crap anytime, anon.

It may not work well and my point was that it can not exist without the sword

You have just described a political ideology, not a religion. Both of us should be intensely thankful that we live in a country where we can agree to disagree, at least if you are so inclined. Your smarmy attitude does your arguments not one bit of good.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 16:59|| 2006-11-14 16:59|| Front Page Top

#57 Look for some gun control and an AWB like ban as well tacked right onto that sucker.

Well Mick, I hope you're doing your part this week:

http://www.ammoday.com/index.php/about/

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-11-14 17:03|| 2006-11-14 17:03|| Front Page Top

#58 Likewise Islam is a religion.

Islam is not a religion. And as long as people like you, lotp and Jonathan insist otherwise, it will always have the undeserved blush of legitimacy and authenticity. If you can't understand that, YOU, can't be helped. And furthermore, YOU, aren't helping.

Muhammed/Mohammed, whatever, understood 1400 years ago what many others have come to understand, power and wealth can be had by controlling the masses and there is no better way to do that, than through religion. So he created one, and he was very shrewd in how he constructed it. It must be killed, even if it means killing most of the die-hard muslims.

I think many would bale given the opportunity. Of course it helps to remember that 80% to 90% of the muslims in this world are uneducated, superstitious and easily led people. Couple that with tribalism and the combination is deadly.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-14 17:08|| 2006-11-14 17:08|| Front Page Top

#59 Well Mick, I hope you're doing your part this week:

Actually, I have all the firearms and ammo I can handle/need. Any more and I would misallocating funds/resources from other importants areas.

But thanks for thinking of me. How about you, got ammo?

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-14 17:11|| 2006-11-14 17:11|| Front Page Top

#60 Your smarmy attitude does your arguments not one bit of good.

Look who is talking! The man whose idea of an idealogoy is to kill them, kill them all!!! That is basically the essence of every post you have ever posted.

You are like the alter ego of the liberal who just thinks if you wish good thoughts good things will happen. Instead you think you can just eliminate billions who disagree with you. Women, children, no problem. Nuke em, glass em. Let the shias and sunnis wipe each other out.

Yeah, that's nice, Zenster. Unless you consider that lots of those people are real people who never hurt anyone and who just happen to pray to another God.

I don't know what religion your ancient forefather's belonged to but if you were a German you would have been keen to work the showers and bread machines. I'm sick of your one and only solution to every problem in the world - blood lust. Maybe a little meme would do you good.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 17:13|| 2006-11-14 17:13|| Front Page Top

#61 But thanks for thinking of me. How about you, got ammo?
Not me. I figure Martian intervention on the side of the New CSA. They owe us.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-14 17:19|| 2006-11-14 17:19|| Front Page Top

#62 I'm sick of your one and only solution to every problem in the world - blood lust. Maybe a little meme would do you good.

And I'm sick of your Pollyanna garbage. We'll see how feel when they saw your head off, or the head of someone you know/love. Wake up, look at the 1400 years of Islams history, add up the vanished cultures and societies. Hell, you've even touched on a couple of Islams traits that make its extermination justifiable. So close, but you just can't see. Well, not until it is too late anyway.

There are always those that see with greater clarity, earlier, than the majority. And they are always ignored or marginalized by the Pollyannas' like you, right up to the point when reality kicks down the door and seizes them by the neck and rips their empty head off.

Oops, got to head out for school, will play more later. Have fun kids, Zenster, try not to hurt anyone. You too .com.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-14 17:23|| 2006-11-14 17:23|| Front Page Top

#63 How about you, got ammo?

Yes, stocked up pretty good. But everyone could always use some more.
I'll be adding a few more gems at this show in a few weeks:

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/Sarshow2006.htm

This is by far the best gun show out West.

Now back on (the same old) topic: Is Islam a religion and did it cause gunmen to kidnap 150 at the Iraq ministry?

Answer: Maybe and Yes.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-11-14 17:28|| 2006-11-14 17:28|| Front Page Top

#64 I see just fine, thank you. And I also see that you can't stomp your foot and eliminate people who have nothing to do with the problem and not create hatreds that will cause you problems for one thousand more years. There is good and their is evil. When you call for killing the good - you are evil.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 17:29|| 2006-11-14 17:29|| Front Page Top

#65 damn. there

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 17:34|| 2006-11-14 17:34|| Front Page Top

#66 Islam is a cult because it is not based on divine leadership. Mohammed was a bullshit artist who lied to everyone and then killed anyone who called him on it. One proof is that Christianity and other religions are based on moral control of self. If you read between the lines, it's a sin to manipulate, control, enslave, or victimize anyone. Islam is based on sin. Therefore, it is the devil's religion. a 'religion' that advances the very thing that every other religion criticizes.
We are sorry that innocent misinformed people are all caught up in Islam, but they don't give a shit about our civilian deaths. They hide behind their slave masters and cheer when our towers fall.
If civilization fails to put an end to radical Islam because civilization cannot abide the death of innocents, then civilization fails, and all is lost.
Conside that when the soldier's bullet blows the heart out of the enemy's chest, that is murder except he was ordered to do it. The other side of that coin is that innocents will be killed in kind without regard to their innocents, but because they are there, and that is not murder.

Posted by wxjames 2006-11-14 17:51|| 2006-11-14 17:51|| Front Page Top

#67 Yep.

Hang Bush(es) check
Civil War Soon check

Yep.
Woooooof!

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-14 17:59|| 2006-11-14 17:59|| Front Page Top

#68 I see just fine, thank you.

Obviously you do not. Read #66, he's far more articulate than I am. As far as I am concerned there are no innocents in Islam. Also, there is not "foot stomping" here, just consistent and dispassionate stating of the facts.

Islam, delenda est.

Posted by Mick (from school) 2006-11-14 18:12|| 2006-11-14 18:12|| Front Page Top

#69 OK, first things first. Darth Vader said:

How else would you explain the backpeddaling, appeasement, never standing up to the MSM lead charge to whitewash what the real Islam is?

Here is some emotion for you, put on a damn burka while putting your head in the sand.
A lot in the military (I know, I work with them) only support Bush because he at least makes a half hearted attempt at removing some of the terrorist leaders. The rest, the clerics, can still plot and spew their rants from the safety of their Mosques, which we can't touch without an act of God, and from behind their state sponsored hosts, which we will never touch even with an act of God.

We are fighting this war with both hands and feet tied behind our backs, never attempting to touch the real leaders behind the movements while trying to make nice and go all PC so the world doesn't hate us more than it already does (most don't, they just don't want us rocking the boat since they might get hurt circa 1930s).

We are close to loosing this round of the fight and taking some real heavy casualties here at home. The US is faltering and empowering those that would do us great harm and I'm sick and tired of idiots like you not seeing what is happening and then berating us for telling what is really going on.
Go over to Kos, since you like them so much and practice your bowing east. Looks like you are gonna need it.

Ah, it's all because of _me_ that we're in the situation we're in?

Because I won't mindlessly agree to a mantra ("Bush has surrendered") that sounds like it came from a Michael Moore movie (you know, the one where he said he was a Saudi puppet)?

You also talk about wanting to deal with the leaders. (In a military, not a diplomatic sense).

Well, I've got a big question for you: do you want to fight with the Mad Mullahs and Imans or do you want to fight the whole damn population of Iraq?

I'd rather the US did the former. Having the president come out and say "Islam is a menace" would probably wind up causing the latter.

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Phil that was low - plus it was weak and stupid as an argument - you're the one pulling a "Kos" here.

OS, I'm told to shut up and put on my burqua if I dispute the assertion that Bush has surrendered.

All without any sort of hint on how to win the battles the country is actually IN at the moment.

I'd like to see... I guess, a discussion of tactics we could attempt today instead of waiting for the day everything goes to hell so we can escalate.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2006-11-14 18:19|| 2006-11-14 18:19|| Front Page Top

#70 Of course it helps to remember that 80% to 90% of the muslims in this world are uneducated, superstitious and easily led people.

Fuck yeah.

Posted by Uloluth Chinetch5315 2006-11-14 18:20|| 2006-11-14 18:20|| Front Page Top

#71 Civil War Soon check

Fuck I hope so.

Posted by Uloluth Chinetch5315 2006-11-14 18:22|| 2006-11-14 18:22|| Front Page Top

#72 Islam is a religion. It's got a god at one end, religous authorities in the middle, believers who'll go to a glorious afterlife, and the non-believers who will be punished by the god in this world and the next for refusing to believe. As it stands it is not a very good religion -- no religion that acquires and keeps most of its believers by force and abuse possibly could be -- but then the cult of Mammon, in which babies were hurled alive into the fire, was once a legitimate religion, too.

But so what? It doesn't matter if Islam is or is not a religion; that's like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. What matters is how we are going to beat the political system that uses Islam as the center pole holding up the tent of Muslim society. All the rest is word chopping... although it does seem to be igniting flame wars.

Islam delenda est? Probably, including those too young to know what they are supposed to believe. But not because it is or isn't a religion. Because the society built around it refuses to play nicely with the rest of us.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-11-14 18:28|| 2006-11-14 18:28|| Front Page Top

#73 Someone's frothing at the mouth again.

Posted by Lou 2006-11-14 18:31|| 2006-11-14 18:31|| Front Page Top

#74 Much frothing here today. I love the "is islam a religion" question. Certainly not from my perspective, but it sure is from its adherents, which I believe was Jonathan's point.

islam uses a lot of the same players as the Judeo-Christian religions, so it can claim that it is playing on the same field so to speak. But it does have all of the elements of a whacked out cult in my mind and is designed to dominate rather than enlighten its adherents.

This is where scientology went wrong. Its basic premise is just too out there for all but the most weak-minded to believe. But islam used known players and added to them. Verwy Cwever!!!

I hope there is reformation, but I really doubt it will happen. Some western city is going to be smoked long before any reformers gain enough power to off the number of nutroot mullahs it will take to change things. So, it is pretty clear to me that Zenster is not wishing for the destruction of the MME, particularly the innocents within, but that he feels it is inevitable.

Posted by remoteman 2006-11-14 18:34|| 2006-11-14 18:34|| Front Page Top

#75 I've read this thread through and the second thought that occured to me was how proud I am of our soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How proud I am that they, the constant targets of terrorists, have shown such restraint when engaging the enemy, doing their utmost to prevent the deaths of Iraqi civilians, when it would be so easy to slaughter them by the ditch load.

More restraint than we used in France, Belgium, and Italy during WWII. More restraint than we exercised in Korea and Vietnam. And it speaks well of us, as a country, and as human beings, that we have done so.

It may very well be that our country, and our allies, will be engaged in a terrible war, a catastrophic war that would see not only the deaths of thousands, or hundreds of thousands in distant lands, but also the death of cities in the United States and Europe, too. You better think long and hard about what you are calling for, because there is a good chance that if the war you want comes knocking, you and I won't be around to see its end.

Posted by mrp 2006-11-14 18:35|| 2006-11-14 18:35|| Front Page Top

#76 Whatever happened to dawg bites tire? This thread has that Pure as a Driven Nordic Storm kookiness.

Posted by Shipman 2006-11-14 18:44|| 2006-11-14 18:44|| Front Page Top

#77 You better think long and hard about what you are calling for, because there is a good chance that if the war you want comes knocking, you and I won't be around to see its end

That'll be true regardless. It's our children who will be forced to deal with it.

Posted by Lou 2006-11-14 18:46|| 2006-11-14 18:46|| Front Page Top

#78 islam is a cult, masquerading as a religion. If anyone gains spirituality from it, that is their doing, not the result of the cult itself. It seeks to control its members movements and thoughts entirely. What other major religion aspires to do that? We have more than our share of cults out here in lefty land, my cousin had to rescue his kids at gun point from a cult. His ex is still there for all I know. It's sad that some good people have gotten caught up in the cult that is islam, but I'm not about to project their goodness onto the cult itself. No way.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-14 18:54|| 2006-11-14 18:54|| Front Page Top

#79 You better think long and hard about what you are calling for, because there is a good chance that if the war you want comes knocking, you and I won't be around to see its end.

Who said anything about wanting it? Why wait for it to come knocking? That's the whole point of preemption, to not wait for death and destruction to come to you.

If we wait, you're probably correct, a lot of us won't be here to see the end. If we shatter them now, maybe the survivors can emerge with a willingness to change. Alas, we'll probably never know. This puppy is going to go to the bitter end, and a lot more people than necessary are going to die, quite possibly modern society and all that comes with it will be set back 1000 years. Maybe more.

Too many Pollyannas' don't seem to understand that, or, they don't want to. Either way the result will be the same. I hope all you city folks know how to hunt, fish and raise/prepare your own food. And that you have someplace to do it. Because if you don't, your death will be pretty miserable. Of course, you can always eat the government cheese.

Posted by Cravigum Flarong5789 2006-11-14 18:55|| 2006-11-14 18:55|| Front Page Top

#80 No worries about me at least, Cravigum Flarong5789. I'll be a non-issue two months after the mail stops, or a week after the electricity goes out. But the rest of you have fun working out new recipes for rat and cockroach casserole.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-11-14 19:02|| 2006-11-14 19:02|| Front Page Top

#81 I hope all you city folks know how to hunt, fish and raise/prepare your own food.

That's no prob, mate. I'll just let you hunt it and prepare it and then I'll take it from you ;-)

Posted by city slicker 2006-11-14 19:05|| 2006-11-14 19:05|| Front Page Top

#82 Varmints are tasty. Roaches, on the other hand, are nasty. Though, I'd consider grubs...roasted preferrably but I don't think they do well with large doses of radiation.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-14 19:07|| 2006-11-14 19:07|| Front Page Top

#83 But the rest of you have fun working out new recipes for rat and cockroach casserole.

Hey, don't knock rat, properly prepared it can be quite tasty. But it takes a bunch of them to fillyou up. Cockroaches? No way. Grasshoppers and grubs are pretty tasty though. BTW, it is best to "ranch" your own rats. Much cleaner that way. Think of them as small rabbits. They take less feed, and they police up the dead ones in the cage.

Now, if I could just find a way to round up the several million dogs in Delhi and can them, I could make a fortune selling them to the North Koreans.

Posted by Cravigum Flarong5789 2006-11-14 19:08|| 2006-11-14 19:08|| Front Page Top

#84 I don't get it... I suggest opening some minds psychochemically to what they are and that can not be considered as it is chemical as everything on earth is... but somebody wants to exterminate or nuke and its ok....

Very strange value set.

Posted by 3dc 2006-11-14 19:10|| 2006-11-14 19:10|| Front Page Top

#85 That's no prob, mate. I'll just let you hunt it and prepare it and then I'll take it from you ;-)

Yeah. Good luck with that mate, just remember, if you're unsuccessful you could wind up on the menu as long pig. But I hear that Aussies are kind of stringy, and hard to clean! ;-)

Posted by Cravigum Flarong5789 2006-11-14 19:11|| 2006-11-14 19:11|| Front Page Top

#86 3dc, those of us who've been there done that (eg .com and I) saw no problem with your proposal. I think it makes a world of sense, except for the kiddies. Need to seperate them somehow.

Posted by remoteman 2006-11-14 19:14|| 2006-11-14 19:14|| Front Page Top

#87 Ima little disconcerted by the easy way Civil War is thrown around by some as a desirable alternative. To me, it's an unacceptable alternative to the America I love. Two years of Donk nuttiness won't take our nation down, and may just put them outta power forever if they let their moonbats and corruptocrats reign. Bush has a veto, and they can't overrule it.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 19:16|| 2006-11-14 19:16|| Front Page Top

#88 But I hear that Aussies are kind of stringy, and hard to clean! ;-)

I hear Americans are extremely low in nutritional value. Prolly a result of the BigMac diet.

Posted by Grolugum Angaque2943 2006-11-14 19:27|| 2006-11-14 19:27|| Front Page Top

#89 Yeah, but I betcha can't eat just one!

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-11-14 19:34|| 2006-11-14 19:34|| Front Page Top

#90 I am for plenty of the correct type of ergot on the lentils they are eating, kids and all. It's effects will not kill anyone of and by it's self.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-11-14 19:36|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-11-14 19:36|| Front Page Top

#91 "...have fun working out new recipes for rat and cockroach casserole."

Gotta make sure that's included in Rantburg: Recipes for the Final Ramadan...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-11-14 19:38|| 2006-11-14 19:38|| Front Page Top

#92 Heh. Trainwreck, RB-style.

Got derailed into a Bush Bash-o-Fest. Then a Meme-o-Fest. And, as is always inevitable here in BurgCity, a food fight.

Hey, how 'bout them Shiites, eh? Got all those Sunnis in the bag. Any word on how that's turning out?

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 19:43|| 2006-11-14 19:43|| Front Page Top

#93 Oops. left out the drugs. Yout'ful drugs.

Heh.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 19:44|| 2006-11-14 19:44|| Front Page Top

#94 3dc, am with ya on that, although as an idea, not the means (they are probably unworkable).

But the idea of replacement (of one set of religious beliefs by another that is built around golden rules) is something that I saw as the best approach, a long time ago. May not work and then the 3rd conjecture will have it's play.

Same with the attempt to convert a selected region to a working democracy. It had to be done to see if it works. It was not a mistake. It probably won't work because the events are pulling in another direction, ahead of the process. But it had to be done, else the future generations would not have forgiven us if the 3rd conjecture becomes inevitable, for not trying. And that is presuming that it would be our descendants (of western civ.) writing the pages of history.

What is needed is "Deux ex machina". It may not be only one paticular process of set of tools that would have a chance for success. It may be necessary to deploy a whole range of tools, including unusual weaponry, to initiate the transformation.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-14 19:50|| 2006-11-14 19:50|| Front Page Top

#95 3dc leaves the box so far behind that some folks find it hard to follow, lol.

Drugging people works for me. I don't even take aspirin, now, but I'd like to watch 'em try to pick up the stripes off the freeway... In heavy traffic.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 20:05|| 2006-11-14 20:05|| Front Page Top

#96 LOL .com, like in this preview?

Posted by twobyfour 2006-11-14 20:27|| 2006-11-14 20:27|| Front Page Top

#97 That'd be a delicacy in China. All protein is. Lol.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 20:34|| 2006-11-14 20:34|| Front Page Top

#98 .com, please do me a favor and post your meme diatribe. Some people get it and some don't. You had it nailed pretty well in your version.

Mick, thank you for picking up the slack while I was off line. Same to you others who kept up the good fight.

Speaking of memes; anon, you really damage your own credibility when you don't even bother to parse my arguments correctly. Like lotp, ex-lib, cingold and some others you keep trying to pin that "kill 'em all" bullshit on me. remoteman quite easily manages to comprehend what you simply refuse to recognize. So be it, all you do is make a fool out of yourself.

I've clearly stated my reasons for believing that the MME will end up bringing destruction upon itself. You choose to ignore them and instead slander me. What does that say about you?

3dc, I understand the reasons you'd like to introduce a little theraputic dosage for the region. It would have to be done serruptitiously with complete deniability. Since I no longer care what happens to the Palestinains, go ahead and have at them. I could care less. I wonder how many cases of real gunsex would result.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 20:35|| 2006-11-14 20:35|| Front Page Top

#99 I've had a lot to say about memes, lol - I don't know which comment you're referring to.

Timeout on the anon attack. She did the right thing when she opened her part of the thread by saying she was "musing" - that's how it works at the 'Burg, or is supposed to work, anyway.

Sarc, musing, rant, etc. indicate you're letting your guard down and thinking aloud. Critiques should make allowances, accordingly. Since I'm one of those who has become a shit magnet, even when I used the tags, I know whereof I speak.

The debate about Islam as religion, dessert topping, ideology, or floor cleaner has been in progress for a few years. No need for anyone to get personal about it. Unless it's to give a nice back rub.

Hell, I think you're all wrong - lol - Islam is a fatal human pathogen. But that's just me...

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 21:11|| 2006-11-14 21:11|| Front Page Top

#100 #39 Sometimes I wish .com would finally go postal to get it over with.
Posted by Clanter Flineque8995 2006-11-14 14:38

Soon, CF, soon... but just on myself.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 21:17|| 2006-11-14 21:17|| Front Page Top

#101 No on here believes in a "kill'em all" strategy. No one here wants to kill innocent folks of any background. On the flip side, no one here is a real-deal lefty muzzy apologist. We should dispense w/that nonsense most rik-tik. I think all the regulars here basically want the same thing, it's only a difference of COA's. Certainly not worth telling other patriotic Americans to go find another site to frequent. Some here are more emphatic then others on the extent of action we need to take to ensure our sovereignty - that's normal. Sure, many of us would like to kill about a million muslims (me included) - that's about the number of radicals there are given recent conservative estimates. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck if it's a cult or a religion (symantics). Toe-may-toe/Toe-mah-toe in my Deistic book. Whatever it is, it needs to be removed or neutralized. *Unlike John Edwards I have really read the koran, have a basic functional grasp of iraqi dialect arabic, and grew up around their americanized culture in Detroit - ha, my absolute muslim authority card has just been thrown out fuckers. Back to reality - Wahabbi Sauds & Iranian Shia's w/the ability to procure nukes are incompatible w/the modern world. Have been for over 30 yrs. Might as well give a bi-polar 8 year old w/a bad attitude a loaded .45 to play with. For my part, I personally would love to wetwork any terror spewing cleric, school, or pseudo muzzy "charity". I'd also select a few tribes in mesopotamia for sanction (yes, that prolly would include the dreaded "collateral damage" - & yes I could still sleep at night). I'd also of done more than a few things different then our present admin (like media blackouts) but it doesn't change the fact that we cannot cut and run. I've been to Iraq, and am going back in a couple months. I want us to finish this thing. I don't want my son fighting these assholes 20 yrs from now. I fear that may happen anyways because we are "too humane" - which they perceive as weakness. Plus, the avg voter is too much of an idiot to know the msm is full of shit & our politicos are too fucking concerned w/world opinion to grab their collective gonads and make the hard decision. (rant/off)

Oh, and before I forget - fuck you jimmy carter wherever you are - you pussy.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-11-14 21:24|| 2006-11-14 21:24|| Front Page Top

#102 Bam!

Lol - loved your Absolute Moral Authority Card ref.

I give it a 95 - and a bonus 5 for using the tags, lol.

A solid 100!

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 21:34|| 2006-11-14 21:34|| Front Page Top

#103 Thanks, I couldn't help myself. I read through about a dozen of those the other day and giggled like a little school girl.

You still in S.E. Asia? Ever find out what "koo-ta-hay" means?

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-11-14 21:57|| 2006-11-14 21:57|| Front Page Top

#104 Heh - sorry - been to In 'n Out (I repeat that for Frank's benefit, lol) and stuffing my face since I rolled back in...

I'm in LV, NV. Though mebbe not for much longer, insh'allan, lol.

Nope, still not sure what "koo-ta-hay" means, just sure it's not very nice, lol.

Y'know, your closer is interesting and possibly also prescient...

We see the MSM taking potshots at the craven DhimmiDummies now that the election is over... Mebbe Carter will lose his sheen, too, and get "the treatment". Nobody can buttfuck a buddy like a Lib, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 22:37|| 2006-11-14 22:37|| Front Page Top

#105 damn...and you didn't bring back my order, did ya?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 22:55|| 2006-11-14 22:55|| Front Page Top

#106 I ate the whoooole thang.

/bad commercial - good burger

I'll ask for "fries - extra-crispy" next time. Whazzat, like shoe-string taters?

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 22:57|| 2006-11-14 22:57|| Front Page Top

#107 they cook em longer

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 23:13|| 2006-11-14 23:13|| Front Page Top

#108 google "In N Out hidden menu" and there's a whole buncha sites

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 23:15|| 2006-11-14 23:15|| Front Page Top

#109 I'm working my way up to a 4X4 animal style lol

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 23:15|| 2006-11-14 23:15|| Front Page Top

#110 evening all...another day coming, to watch the Donks self-destruct, tomorrow!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-11-14 23:16|| 2006-11-14 23:16|| Front Page Top

#111 Ha! That's great - thanks!

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 23:20|| 2006-11-14 23:20|| Front Page Top

#112 The hidden menu, not the exit, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-11-14 23:21|| 2006-11-14 23:21|| Front Page Top

#113 .com, thank you for checking in.

For my part, I personally would love to wetwork any terror spewing cleric, school, or pseudo muzzy "charity". I'd also select a few tribes in mesopotamia for sanction (yes, that prolly would include the dreaded "collateral damage" - & yes I could still sleep at night).

Broadhead6, you nailed it, spot on. Your entire rant is on the money.

Lastly, the only reason I wish to have Islam reclassified as a political ideology is so that we can go about severing all charitable and tax-free status it has enjoyed until now. I've said my fill on this. anon, may have been "musing", but it still doesn't give her the right to mischaracterize my position. The weirdest thing of all, much like the majority of us here, is that on the whole, we are violently agreeing.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-11-14 23:31|| 2006-11-14 23:31|| Front Page Top

#114 #21 Icerigger.

It's just that (i) most Iraqi academics are Sunnis (Shia weren't allowed) and (ii) unarmed.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-11-14 23:45|| 2006-11-14 23:45|| Front Page Top

#115 I guess it's too late to ask the mods to take it back. Ah well. Life goes on.

But you know, Zenster, when you have to write things like this: Like lotp, ex-lib, cingold and some others you keep trying to pin that "kill 'em all" bullshit on me, maybe a little introspection is in order. But I am sorry about my bread and showers comment, FWIW.

Sometimes you write some good posts, Zenster. I don't underestimate the brutality of Islam. My whole point was that it survives as a religion or meme or cult or whatever you choose to call it, not because it serves people well like the ideas of a Republic or chivalry, or double-entry accounting, but because Islam comes to your town and kills you, or someone meaningful to you, if you don't accept it. It is going to come to our towns. And we will have to fight it. But we must continue to to hang onto what makes us what we are - ideas of mercy, charity, forgiveness, tolearance and other "western values" that separate us from them.

Broadhead nailed it nicely - as .com noted above and we all want the same result.

Islam is the antithesis of our way of life because it can not incorporate the freedoms that we cherish. It can not tolerate separation of church and state, or freedom of speech or rights for women or gays etc.

It is as crazy to think that we can eliminate the threat by wiping out entire nations as it is that we can ignore it and it will go away. (the previous comment was in no way intended to imply agreement or dissent by other rantburg posters but was solely the opinion of anon.)

The genesis or this post is that they kidnapped 100 scholars. It should run a little chill down the spines of those at Harvard, Georgetown, Columbia and all other Universities across the globe. And it will, except we won't hear about it because those smart enough to feel the chill will be smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

This war is like none other we have fought. Sure - they fought it way back when, but the lessons have long since been lost and the world has changed dramatically.

Broadhead nailed it nicely - as .com noted above and we all want the same result. Lots of other good comments as well. We all are after the same result. The bad news is that they have changed us. We are forced to let go of some of what makes us good, in order to survive. But we don't have to let go of all of it. We need to cling to whatever we can.

Posted by anon 2006-11-14 23:46|| 2006-11-14 23:46|| Front Page Top

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