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2011-11-13 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran loses its top missile expert in explosions
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Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2011-11-13 00:03|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ]  Top

#1 One hell of a boom if it broke windows 46 Ks away. More likely another closer explosion.
Posted by phil_b 2011-11-13 00:19||   2011-11-13 00:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Has debka ever been right? They're always interesting but . . . .
Posted by Omaiting Hapsburg6999 2011-11-13 00:35||   2011-11-13 00:35|| Front Page Top

#3 The vids and pics look like fuel burning rather than munitions exploding.

Israel has long range UAVs and this could be their work. If so, expect more stuff to mysteriously explode.

A direct Israeli attack on nuclear facilities was never really on the cards.
Posted by phil_b 2011-11-13 00:36||   2011-11-13 00:36|| Front Page Top

#4 Invisible Zionist UAV firing hair rays to cause premature explosion in Muslims!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-11-13 01:50||   2011-11-13 01:50|| Front Page Top

#5 The Jerusalem Post confirms that senior IRG commander was killed:

A senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander in charge of the force's self-sufficiency unit was killed in a blast at a military base near Tehran Saturday, Iranian news agency Fars A senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander in charge of the force's self-sufficiency unit was killed in a blast at a military base near Tehran Saturday, Iranian news agency Fars reported.

Seventeen people were killed in the blast that officials said took place when soldiers were moving munitions at the base believed to be the storage center for some of Iran's most advanced long-range ballistic missiles..
Posted by trailing wife 2011-11-13 06:57||   2011-11-13 06:57|| Front Page Top

#6 US blog: Mossad behind Iran blast
US blogger Richard Silverstein said Saturday that Israel was the mastermind behind the blast the killed at least 17 people at an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps base near Tehran.

In his blog, Tikun Olam, Silverstein quotes an Israeli expert as saying that the Mossad was responsible for the explosion, in collaboration with the Iranian militant opposition group Mojahedin-e-Khalq.
Posted by tipper 2011-11-13 07:29||   2011-11-13 07:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Mossad behind the blast. Red-herring? Would think that cruise missles would show up on several radars in the area. Anybody know of stealth cruise missles?
Posted by AlanC 2011-11-13 08:08||   2011-11-13 08:08|| Front Page Top

#8 ...how many knew of a stealth helicopter till the OBL raid?
Posted by Procopius2k 2011-11-13 08:41||   2011-11-13 08:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Inside job by dissidents? Israel? U.S.? I doubt the Saudis would do it even though a nuclear armed Iran worries them-- although probably not enough to get involved in their own defense.

IMO Israel is most likely.
Posted by JohnQC 2011-11-13 09:22||   2011-11-13 09:22|| Front Page Top

#10 Anybody know of stealth cruise missles?

SWEDISH-GERMAN TAURUS / ISRAELI DELILAH

Also, the Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile is very hard to detect.

Israel has three German-built Dolphin class submarines that (very likely) can launch cruise missiles.
Posted by Mike Ramsey 2011-11-13 09:48||   2011-11-13 09:48|| Front Page Top

#11 ....As much as I'd like to believe the Israelis were behind this, Occam's Razor tells us otherwise. Poorly trained minions with attitude problems plus inshallah weapons storage and maintenance equals an accident - or accidents - that are going to happen. Two at once may be a stretch, but still believeable.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2011-11-13 09:51||   2011-11-13 09:51|| Front Page Top

#12 I agree that one should never discount stupidity. But add to the unlikelihood of the two roughly concurrent explosions, the number of scientist associated with Iran's nuclear weapons program(s) that have met an early demise. That is a lot of weight for even stupidity to bear.
Posted by Mike Ramsey 2011-11-13 10:14||   2011-11-13 10:14|| Front Page Top

#13 If Mossad did anything it was provide info to MEK or other anti Mullah groups who had an agent at the base.

The agent perhaps was able to hide several devices in the explosive storage area and detonate them remotely or maybe in person.
Posted by Lord Garth 2011-11-13 11:01||   2011-11-13 11:01|| Front Page Top

#14 "... other anti Mullah groups who had an agent at the base.

As was previously mentioned, Occam's razor.

Still, Revolutionary Guard background checks must leave something to be desired.
Posted by Mike Ramsey 2011-11-13 11:07||   2011-11-13 11:07|| Front Page Top

#15 Reichstag fire?
Posted by RandomJD 2011-11-13 11:48||   2011-11-13 11:48|| Front Page Top

#16 Poorly trained minions with attitude problems plus inshallah weapons storage and maintenance equals an accident - or accidents - that are going to happen.

Take what is essentially a political organization. Have a very small and well trained cadre. Make the rest minimally-supervised conscripts at the low levels, lifers (and generally uninvolved with daily routine) at the mid level, politically-connected-and-concerned at the upper levels. What could go wrong?
Posted by Pappy 2011-11-13 12:19||   2011-11-13 12:19|| Front Page Top

#17 I blame Allen. Shiites are just heretics anyway.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-11-13 12:55||   2011-11-13 12:55|| Front Page Top

#18 Invisible Zionist UAV firing hair rays to cause premature explosion in Muslims!

I thought those Zionist rays were used to shrivel up their male thingies. Is this a multipurpose hair ray?

Posted by Frozen Al 2011-11-13 13:17||   2011-11-13 13:17|| Front Page Top

#19 Where are the people that take credit for this stuff?. We always hear of some group wanting to take credit for a kaboom like this. I suggest we give credit to the Taliban or Al Qaeda.
Posted by Dale 2011-11-13 13:43||   2011-11-13 13:43|| Front Page Top

#20 I suggest we give credit to the Taliban or Al Qaeda. I give thanks to Allen.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-11-13 13:50||   2011-11-13 13:50|| Front Page Top

#21 It is always better to use covert means and help from dissident groups internally than to do a frontal assault. Paranoia strikes deep....into your life it will creep.

Sun Tzu is smiling somewhere.....
Posted by Alaska Paul 2011-11-13 14:04||   2011-11-13 14:04|| Front Page Top

#22 "debkafile's exclusive sources "

This is your key to knowing that the article is not true and the "exclusive" source is probably someone hacking out the story on the keyboard. I have still yet to see a "debka exclusive" that has turned out to be true.

Don't take this with a "grain of salt" as the Morton girl in the graphic would imply. I would completely discount the story as most likely complete fabrication as every other "debka exlusive" has been so far to date without a single exception of which I am aware.

Posted by crosspatch 2011-11-13 14:24||   2011-11-13 14:24|| Front Page Top

#23 #18 It was developed to cause premature ejaculation in Muslims---but, turns out it produces premature explosion. I wonder why?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-11-13 14:53||   2011-11-13 14:53|| Front Page Top

#24 #22
The IRGC Public Relations confirmed to Xinhua that one of the senior IRGC commanders was among those who were killed in the blast
Brigadier General Hassan Moqaddam who died in the explosions was chief of the IRGC's Autonomous Jahad Organization, which is active in promoting the country's independence in several areas..

The government-controlled media in Iran admitted that one of the 17 people killed in the blast was Brigadier Hassan Moghadam, head of Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) missile development.

One who does a little search before making categorical statements, is likely to avoid a taste of shoe leather in his mouth.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-11-13 15:11||   2011-11-13 15:11|| Front Page Top

#25 
Has debka ever been right?

They're often right. Problem is, they're also often wrong.
Posted by Fred 2011-11-13 16:50||   2011-11-13 16:50|| Front Page Top

#26 they're as much of a disinformation and propaganda effort as an information source.


Kinda like most American news sources
Posted by Frank G 2011-11-13 17:08||   2011-11-13 17:08|| Front Page Top

#27 Our sources report increasing evidence that the first explosion was caused by a failed effort to mount a nuclear warhead on a Shahab-3 intermediate-range missile.
But wait, I thought there was no proof Iran has ever run a nuclear weapons program.
Alaska Paul, love your reference ;)
Paranoia strikes deep....into your life it will creep.
Posted by Jan from work 2011-11-13 17:32||   2011-11-13 17:32|| Front Page Top

#28 wasnt me.
Posted by OldSpook 2011-11-13 17:56||   2011-11-13 17:56|| Front Page Top

#29 "They're often right."

Can you show me one single instance where one of their "exclusives" has been right? There hasn't been one that I know of yet.

Sure, they report stuff that is true. That tends to be stuff that isn't "exclusive", stuff they pick up from the wire services and such.

I know of not one single "exclusive" that has turned out to be fact. Not a single one ever.

Posted by crosspatch 2011-11-13 18:33||   2011-11-13 18:33|| Front Page Top

#30 "missile expert" = patent pirater

Someone is on the ground in the islamic gutter entity.
Posted by Slats Gurly-Brown5454 2011-11-13 19:22||   2011-11-13 19:22|| Front Page Top

#31 Our sources report increasing evidence that the first explosion was caused by a failed effort to mount a nuclear warhead on a Shahab-3 intermediate-range missile.

notice that the above statement is weasel worded; increasing evidence could simply be that before there was a thin wiff of evidence and later two thin wiffs of evidence.
Posted by Lord Garth 2011-11-13 19:24||   2011-11-13 19:24|| Front Page Top

#32 The Norkies are repor suffering from outbreaks of TB, yet also repor have 00's of Perts + technicians working on Iran's nuke + LRBM programs spread out all around the country.

How many TB meds is Kimmie getting from the IRGC or Tehran for his people???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-11-13 19:25||   2011-11-13 19:25|| Front Page Top

#33 If Israel is behind this they will be doing all they can to make it appear dissidents, spies, traitors are behind it.

Remember the Iranian system is explicitly modelled on the Soviet system and suffers from the same flaws, paranoia and blame shifting.

Let's say an Israeli stealth UAV flew in and dropped a couple of GPS guided bombs, based on near-real time satellite imagery that showed Iran trying to install a nuclear warhead on a missile.

Do you really think Iran is going to publicly admit this.
Posted by phil_b 2011-11-13 19:27||   2011-11-13 19:27|| Front Page Top

#34 #28 wasnt me.

Heh. Would you tell us if it was?

I find the bit about mass casualties but only allowing in a few rescue workers (or none!). Top Secret secrecy? Or radiation hazard? Dang, speculation is fun!
Posted by SteveS 2011-11-13 19:45||   2011-11-13 19:45|| Front Page Top

#35 Also on WAFF > [Debka] EXPLOSIONS CAUSED BY FAILED BID TO FIT NUCLEAR WARHEAD ON SHAHAB-3 [IRBM].

AFAIK Debka is considered mostly reliable news, as per Israel, despite its Net/Blogger-preceived penchant for National Inquirer-style reporting.

But hey, iff the NatInquirer can receive top awards, espec for new accuracy, so can Debka.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-11-13 20:18||   2011-11-13 20:18|| Front Page Top

#36 SteveS: Heh :-D

The reason for the exclusion there is two fold - one its their seekrit stuff and they don't want people know what they had nor how much of it is gone, and two, it is probably quite toxic around those areas, given the types of rocket fuel they are likely using. No radiation, just a lot of really bad and volatile chemicals that shouldn't normally be near each other in an uncontrolled fashion.


ensha'Allah faith-based maintenance doesn't mesh well with volatile chemicals and rocket engine facilities.

It is called "Rocket Science" for a good reason.

Iran is finding that out
Posted by OldSpook 2011-11-13 21:45||   2011-11-13 21:45|| Front Page Top

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