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Montel Williams Suggests Ft. Hood Shooting Could Cause Massive Internment, Like Japanese Under FDR

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Posted by Fred 2009-11-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 ION WND > CAIR SPEAKER [Radic Cleric ZAID CHAKIR] TELLS MUSLIMS ITS OKAY TO ATTACK FORT BRAGG [North Carolina, USA], EXHORTS FATHFUL TO TARGET PLANES CARRYING ARMY'S 82ND AIRBORNE.

HMMMM, HMMMMM, my old unit [ABN Ranger].

Posted by JosephMendiola">JosephMendiola 2009-11-13 00:38|| na]">[na] 2009-11-13 00:38|| Front Page Top

#2 CHINESE MIL FORUM > US CONFISCATES MOSQUES: MAYBE CALIPHATE SHOULD SHOULD MOVE/BE IN ASIA HWRE OBAMA PREFSR, INSTEAD OF BRAIN-WASHING BROWN PEOPLE.

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Posted by JosephMendiola">JosephMendiola 2009-11-13 00:43|| na]">[na] 2009-11-13 00:43|| Front Page Top

#3 Montel Williams Suggests Ft. Hood Shooting ~~Could~~ Should Cause Massive Internment, Like Japanese Under FDR

There - fixed it!

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2009-11-13 02:43|| 2009-11-13 02:43|| Front Page Top

#4 I totally agree. It is "racism and prejudice" at its core. Saying "all Muslims are the same" is just as rediculous as saying all African Americans vote for members of the same political party. Absolutely rediculous.

Sierra Vista, Arizona would be an excellent site for the Relo-Centers. KBR has an existing contract with the nearby military installation and there is a endless supply of excellent, non-union, out of work, hihgly skilled carpenters and masons nearby. Think...Job Creation! All that goes lacking at the moment is the appointment of an administration Relo-Zsar.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-13 05:28|| 2009-11-13 05:28|| Front Page Top

#5 1 - not all Japanese [or resident Germans and Italians] were put in internment camps.

2 - recently declassified Japanese diplomatic traffic leading up to December 7th implied the consulates on the west coast had recruited in the local Japanese communities.

3 - around 90 percent of all aircraft production at the time was either in LA or Seattle.

4 - Unable to quickly identify who was and who wasn't involved in the implied Japanese recruitment effort, the government at the time moved those in areas thought critical to wartime operations to be moved.

5 - Today we do know of mosques, their membership and discrete communities that have recruited for jihad. Yet we allow these to operate just waiting for the next act of human sacrifice to happen while the like of Mr. Williams wring their hands because some who truly do threaten our citizenry are allowed to choose the time and place of their mayhem.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-11-13 08:01|| 2009-11-13 08:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Montel is plain batshit loopy.

Posted by DarthVader 2009-11-13 08:49|| 2009-11-13 08:49|| Front Page Top

#7 on the internment camp issue during wwII,

FDR pushed this against the strong protest of J E Hoover

this fact is uncontested but since it doesn't fit the metanarrative of the left almost nobody knows it

Posted by lord garth 2009-11-13 08:53|| 2009-11-13 08:53|| Front Page Top

#8 Maybe it is the weed.

Posted by JohnQC 2009-11-13 09:09|| 2009-11-13 09:09|| Front Page Top

#9 Alcatraz Island would be poetic justice on many levels.

Posted by Black Bart Ebberens7700 2009-11-13 09:33|| 2009-11-13 09:33|| Front Page Top

#10 I totally agree. It is "racism and prejudice" at its core. Saying "all Muslims are the same" is just as rediculous as saying all African Americans vote for members of the same political party.

I disagree. First of all, because Muslims != Japanese. Japanese americans were born this way and could do nothing about it. Muslims are people who follow an ideology. You can argue, about different versions of this ideology and about people who are more or less ardent about this ideology but the fact is that being a Muslim is per se not different tan being a Nazi or a Communist.

Also while it can be nice and dandy to blame FDR for the internment of Japanese Americans I remind you that given IJN's overwhelming superiority until well into 1943 zero leaks was a sine quanon condition for US Navy survival, and first of all at Midway. A single Japanese American reporting that the American carriers were at sea or about the miracle repair of the "Yorktown" would have meant thousands or American lives lost not to mention the ones lost while struggling to recover the lands the Japanese would have conquered after destroying the American carriers.

So IMHO FDR did the right thing. Those who did wrong were the post-war administrations for not compensating those who had been interned but that is another story.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2009-11-13 09:44|| 2009-11-13 09:44|| Front Page Top

#11 "You know, we should be treating this as a unique incident and look at the factors involved in this very unique and specific incident, and not overgeneralize. Unfortunately, we tend to overgeneralize all the time."

To say something is definitive is unequivocally stupid and annoying. That certainly puts an end to that discussion.

Posted by DepotGuy 2009-11-13 10:57|| 2009-11-13 10:57|| Front Page Top

#12 The dirty little secret about the Japanese-American internment is that it was a political decision by FDR.

No military commander had even suggested we exclude Japanese-Americans from entire states.
(It is interesting that no internment was done in Hawaii, where a stronger case could have been made)

Basically, FDR hated Japanese since his college days, when he had a Japanese naval officer for a room-mate. He always said that there was no possibility for the two countries ever being friends. When the time came to decide about internment, he chose the most severe solution possible.

In addition, there were political considerations. There was ample anti-Asian prejudice on the West Coast and relocating the Japanese might help with the 1942 elections.

Posted by Frozen Al 2009-11-13 11:24|| 2009-11-13 11:24|| Front Page Top

#13 You tease me, Montel.

Posted by ed 2009-11-13 11:48|| 2009-11-13 11:48|| Front Page Top

#14 Besoeker: The great secret of southern Arizona during WWII is that it had an enormous military prison camp, in the vicinity of, but completely separated and many miles from Ft. Huachucha.

And virtually no record of its existence remains. The one record I have ever found is kept by the Arizona Historical Society. It mentioned that hangings were frequently conducted there. Otherwise nothing is known about it, even its name.

Even the utterly hated desert training facility in Nevada has a marker to denote it.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-11-13 13:46|| 2009-11-13 13:46|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks Moose. I learn something everyday. Hope I can still remember it tomorrow.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-13 13:59|| 2009-11-13 13:59|| Front Page Top

#16
1) Jihadi goes on rampage and kills a bunch of innocent people.
2) Media apologists and Jihadi sympathizers decry possible backlash against Muslims.
3) Backlash does not occur, but public is intimidated into ignoring problem.
4) Wash, rinse repeat.

Posted by DMFD 2009-11-13 18:56|| 2009-11-13 18:56|| Front Page Top

#17 I much prefer the thoughts of the OTHER Williams(Walter) to Montel. I don't listen to him, I don't watch him, and I really don't care what kind of psychobabble comes from his mouth. The comments here were much more entertaining and enlightening than anything Montel Williams could ever utter.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2009-11-13 20:18|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2009-11-13 20:18|| Front Page Top

#18 Arizona POW camp - Camp Florence, Florence, AZ. Not so much secret as forgotten with legions of others.

As for executions of POWs, there were a number, largely for killing fellow POWs.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-11-13 20:22|| 2009-11-13 20:22|| Front Page Top

#19 Procopius2k: No, not the POW camps. Those were well known, and one is still a National Guard installation. A large number of the POWs moved to Phoenix from Germany after the war. A heck of a lot more opportunities than postwar Germany.

The installation I am talking about was for US Army prisoners. US Soldiers who had committed serious crimes like murder, most of whom had never left the US.

When I first discovered this document in the museum, I mentioned it to several State historians, an abandoned military post club, and cartographers, and none had ever heard of it.

Several of us ended up doing a field trip to find the place, and unlike other abandoned posts and sites of this kind, while it was clear something had been there, it had been removed down to the last scrap. Normally there are pieces of concrete and asphalt at WWII sites, even if little else, but here, nothing.

There was some skulduggery in the area, though, at the Papago Park POW camp, in 1944, some of the POWs murdered one of their number who was an informer.

Seven of them were taken to an isolated resort in California where they were tortured until they confessed. They were later executed by being hung in an elevator shaft at Ft. Leavenworth (out of 14 total, for similar offenses), after the war was over.

So the idea of taking US military prisoners to a secret base, and hanging a whole bunch of them is not impossible, but it is not something likely to be recorded.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-11-13 20:50|| 2009-11-13 20:50|| Front Page Top

#20 'Moose, any chance this facility was actually a facility that took part in developing the bomb and was simply not listed as such for obvious reasons?

Posted by Mike N. 2009-11-13 23:10|| 2009-11-13 23:10|| Front Page Top

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