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2005-11-13 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Fred 2005-11-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Can we bomb them yet - or do we have to wait for 194 UN resolutions?

Posted by DMFD 2005-11-13 00:17|| 2005-11-13 00:17|| Front Page Top

#2 This time it's probably going to take a mushroom cloud outside Iran's borders along with a simultaneous telecast claiming credit and a letter to the UNSC signed by every "elected" official in Iran stating same.

Posted by AzCat 2005-11-13 04:30|| 2005-11-13 04:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Iran insisted yesterday it would carry out all nuclear fuel work at home,
This is really a smart move, it prevents any sabotage by "Foreign Made" components being just "Slightly" off specs, or contaminated.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 10:02|| 2005-11-13 10:02|| Front Page Top

#4 All of you "NUKE THEM" people, take a deep breath and face the real world, they will NOT be "Nuked" not now, not ever, the backlash would be fatal.

They WILL be stopped, but not nuked.
Likewise, they are not going to "Nuke Israel" the jews that do not live in Israel vastly outnumber those that live there, killing a small percentage of your enemy (Jews) in a spectacurlar manner while making the rest (as well as the rest of the whole world) mad as hell is suicide.

AND THEY KNOW IT.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 10:11|| 2005-11-13 10:11|| Front Page Top

#5 RJ,you are thinking like someone with common sense.The MM,like religious fanatics everywhere,lack common sense.If they nuke Israel and die themselves because of massive nuke retaliation,it's all good.Ya see they will then be in heaven with thier 72 virgins.

Posted by raptor 2005-11-13 10:31|| 2005-11-13 10:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Problem is there are two different things going on, and folks tend to lump them together.

First group is the scientists, they build the nuke plants and are NOT fanatics (Prevented by the scientific method, no religion can stand up to an analysis)
Second group is the bunch collectively refereed to as the "Mad Mullahs" who are NOT in the scientific community, and cannot be due to their rabid beliefs, this group has NO access to Atomics except by theft.

And "Nere the Twain shall meet," the two are entirely incompatible, "membership" in either one precludes membership (Except cursory) in the other.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 11:19|| 2005-11-13 11:19|| Front Page Top

#7 FDR and Truman weren't scientists either. What's your point?

Posted by Darrell 2005-11-13 12:13|| 2005-11-13 12:13|| Front Page Top

#8 The point is that the "Mad Mullahs" do not control the atomic weapons.

They want the world to think they have control, but untill a "Mad Mullah" is actualy in charge of the weapons it's all bluster.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 13:03|| 2005-11-13 13:03|| Front Page Top

#9 RNJ - that is pure unadulterated bullshit. The MM control the gov't which controls your first group. A scientist in Iran working on a gov't project is autonomous from teh people who pay their salary, support the facilities, buy the materials, pay the soldiers guarding the facility, build the roads to ....

what are you selling? Or smoking? Jeebus

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-11-13 13:30|| 2005-11-13 13:30|| Front Page Top

#10 #4 All of you "NUKE THEM" people, take a deep breath and face the real world, they will NOT be "Nuked" not now, not ever, the backlash would be fatal.

They WILL be stopped, but not nuked.

How refreshing to see someone else here finally recognize the importance of avoiding first use of nuclear weapons, even against terrorism sponsors.

Likewise, they are not going to "Nuke Israel" the jews that do not live in Israel vastly outnumber those that live there, killing a small percentage of your enemy (Jews) in a spectacurlar manner while making the rest (as well as the rest of the whole world) mad as hell is suicide.

AND THEY KNOW IT.

Dang nabbit, for a minute you were doing so well there, RJ

Have you been reading the newspapers lately? Did you manage to catch that little bit about "WIPING ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP"?

Yes, Iran would much rather kill all of the Jews in one fell swoop. No way that's going to happen.
WATCH MY LIPS MOVE: IRAN HAS ALREADY DECLARED THAT THE ELIMINATION OF ISRAEL, EVEN IF IT SHOULD BRING ABOUT THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF IRAN IN TURN, REPRESENTS A WORTHWHILE GOAL.

Having a militarily potent and undefeatable Jewish nation smack dab in the middle of so many Arab countries is nothing more than an endless stinging, nancy-boy sort of humiliation for the world's Islamists.

Iran has inasmuch stated that they will turn their entire country into one vast homicide bomber in the cause of obliterating Israel. The Mullahs already have their finger on the launch button despite it not having been wired up just yet. These maroons control every single aspect of Iranian life, right down to who works on what project, especially the nuclear ones. Why do you think I continue to advocate the immediate decapping of Iran's government?

Any questions?

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-13 14:42|| 2005-11-13 14:42|| Front Page Top

#11 First group is the scientists, they build the nuke plants and are NOT fanatics (Prevented by the scientific method, no religion can stand up to an analysis)

Err.. there are Pakistani nuclear scientists who are extremely religious, why would Iranians be different?

One pak nuke reactor physicist wrote a paper on extracting energy from Jinns. Another wrote a paper on the "angle of god". Yet another calculated the "speed at which heaven was receeeding from earth".

Then we have the two physicists from the pak bomb programme who journeyed to Afghanistan to meet Osama Bin laden and advise him about bomb technology.

Posted by john 2005-11-13 14:55|| 2005-11-13 14:55|| Front Page Top

#12 One pak nuke reactor physicist wrote a paper on extracting energy from Jinns.

By shaking or stirring?

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-13 15:07|| 2005-11-13 15:07|| Front Page Top

#13 By combustion.
He hypothesized that since Jinn were not associated with smoke (there are no smoking Jinn in the Koran) then they must have high methane content. One just needed to extract this latent Jinn energy to fuel Pakistan's energy needs.

Posted by john 2005-11-13 15:14|| 2005-11-13 15:14|| Front Page Top

#14 high methane content

However confused this guy is about the actual source, he's certainly got a nose for analysis.

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-13 15:35|| 2005-11-13 15:35|| Front Page Top

#15 If Iran is doing U235 concentration underground, it will need electric power and lots of it. If the power plants are underground, they will still be thermal units, meaning that they will need combustion air and a way to reject heat. All these interfaces with the surface will produce visible light (images) and infrared signatures, which can be detected by remote sensors. So the issue is to indentify and catalogue those sites and openings and seal them up like tombs. The question is what effort will it take and when does it need to be done before significant U235 is produced and relocated for weaponizing? Also, Bushehr, the potential source for Pu239 needs to be evaluated. That will have to be neutralized before it is fueled. Time waits for no man.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-11-13 17:37|| 2005-11-13 17:37|| Front Page Top

#16 Ditto #1, bomb the mofos into the stone age.

Posted by Captain America 2005-11-13 18:05|| 2005-11-13 18:05|| Front Page Top

#17 Unfinished business from the Peanut Farmer's tenure. Suspect it will all depend upon who Iran buddies up with on the technology and fusion support and assistance front. I wouldn't rule anything out.

Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-13 18:34|| 2005-11-13 18:34|| Front Page Top

#18 I've done Rantburg a disservice. I'm reading more and seeing that there are actually civil and well reasoned discourses going on. I apologize.

I agree with RJ and those who think Iran, despite a clerical structure, is ultimately pragmatic. There will be no irrational bombing forays. After all it would be suicide for Iran. I don't buy the madmen fear mongering.

To push the logic here a bit is it possible that an Iranian nuclear capability might actually play a stabilizing role in the region providing the U.S. and Israel are not hellbent on doing anything to stop it? (If this strikes you all as crazy talk all I can say to explain is that this is how unconcerned I am about Iran being the source of a nuclear threat. I just don't buy the fear mongering even after Ahmadinejad's comments). I think the U.S. and Israel hellbent on Iran is more likely to lead to instability in the region than anything.

With Pakistan, India, China, Russian and, of course, Israel having nukes, if I were Iranian I'd think it an absolutely neccesity in the interest of the preservation of the state.

Posted by willtotruth 2005-11-13 19:07|| 2005-11-13 19:07|| Front Page Top

#19 I don't have an unalterable opinion about the Iranian government's pragmatism. But I was around when colleagues of my husband, i.e. others in uniform, died attempting to rescue hostages taken by the current Iranian leader.

It does not incline me to TRUST they will be pragmatic once they have nuclear weapons in deliverable form. I tend to take them at their word - reiterated for 30 years - that they desire the destruction of Israel and the US and will do so until the evidence suggests strongly otherwise.

Posted by lotp 2005-11-13 19:19|| 2005-11-13 19:19|| Front Page Top

#20 urgetoprattle - You are a disservice. Of the disingenuous, disconnected from reality, variety.

Funny, I don't buy the do-nothing mongering.

Pfeh.

Posted by .com 2005-11-13 19:19|| 2005-11-13 19:19|| Front Page Top

#21 willtoBS LOL.

Civil discourse in this case means agreement with the LLL. A rational, pragmatic Asshat government!? Show me the evidence. Technocrats independent of the Asshat government!? Show me the evidence.

Where Iran is concerned, we must evaluate and make decisions based on capabilities. The Asshats have made their intentions perfectly clear.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-13 19:37|| 2005-11-13 19:37|| Front Page Top

#22 #19: I don't have an unalterable opinion about the Iranian government's pragmatism. But I was around when colleagues of my husband, i.e. others in uniform, died attempting to rescue hostages taken by the current Iranian leader.

The D1 event falls squarely on the stooping shoulders of a gutless peanut farmer, the president who.... won't go away.

Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-13 19:42|| 2005-11-13 19:42|| Front Page Top

#23 Listen to me! I am a moral authority. I read Ecce Homo in college and got an A on my term paper on Derrida. Bow before my superior intellect, you red state plebians and thank me that I've blessed your website with my pithy comments and near omniscient insight on matters great and small.

Posted by suppositoryoftruth 2005-11-13 19:43|| 2005-11-13 19:43|| Front Page Top

#24 Thanks for the name calling and condescending lectures. Know what? Maybe I deserved it. I'll take it as such. That's fine. Besides enough of you seem to enjoy the name calling most of all. All the power to you. Even you name callers have to admit there are more than just a few name callers here and nothing more. You've read the responses.

Take a threat seriously, sure. Iran, however, has reasons to fear the madmen in the west who orchestrate justifications for bombing, destruction and dispossession. They have good reason to fear the violence surrounding them will become violence against them. I can understand how they might view a nuclear capability as a means to preventing: an attack, a destruction of their culture artifacts, a regime change and a control of their oil supply.

Posted by willtotruth 2005-11-13 20:03|| 2005-11-13 20:03|| Front Page Top

#25 useful tool, more likely - apologist for the basij who beat the women for showing ankles. Apologist for mullahs who hang girls from cranes. Name calling? I say "disgusting" fits nicely

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-11-13 20:34|| 2005-11-13 20:34|| Front Page Top

#26 "Iran, however, has reasons to fear the madmen in the west who orchestrate justifications for bombing, destruction and dispossession."

There is, in that one demonstrably pretentious disingenuous Kool Aid addled sentence, the reason you will not be taken seriously. Flush the faux reasonable discourse gambit. You're either a toolfool or a troll. It doesn't matter.

Posted by .com 2005-11-13 20:41|| 2005-11-13 20:41|| Front Page Top

#27 Yup, .com, that one line sorta stood out like a whore in church.

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-13 20:58|| 2005-11-13 20:58|| Front Page Top

#28 "Iran, however, has reasons to fear the madmen in the west who orchestrate justifications for bombing, destruction and dispossession."

It should stand out. It is true. It is true their fear is justified. It is true that the bombing of countries often involves orchestrated justifications. This is not even a controversial point. It is just true.

Further, it isn't about my being taken seriously (by .com or whomever). You'll take seriously whatever fits within your perspective. That's your issue.

In my contribution, it is about me being serious irrespective of how you take me. Iran has more to fear from the U.S. (Israel) then the U.S. (Israel) have to fear from Iran. It is just true whether you take it seriously or not.

Posted by willtotruth 2005-11-13 21:16|| 2005-11-13 21:16|| Front Page Top

#29 The ever present LLL cry for understanding. I think I understand about as much about Iran as I need to.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-13 21:17|| 2005-11-13 21:17|| Front Page Top

#30 It might help, wtt, if you'd identify the madmen in the west you have in mind. Jacques Chirac? Howard Dean? Ferdinand the Bull Slinger?

Posted by Spamp Ebbaimp2434 2005-11-13 21:27|| 2005-11-13 21:27|| Front Page Top

#31 ROFL.

Echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo

Posted by .com 2005-11-13 21:30|| 2005-11-13 21:30|| Front Page Top

#32 no point in arguing...it is just true

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-11-13 21:35|| 2005-11-13 21:35|| Front Page Top

#33 You know, I used to get picked on in high school, too. Probably pure coincidence.

Posted by suppositoryoftruth 2005-11-13 21:50|| 2005-11-13 21:50|| Front Page Top

#34 You're just jealous because I spend all day on the internet talking to hot babes.

Posted by suppositoryoftruth 2005-11-13 21:53|| 2005-11-13 21:53|| Front Page Top

#35 Sigh. You cowboy philistines have to have everything explained to you. "U.S. (Israel)" means the J-E-W-S.

Posted by suppositoryoftruth 2005-11-13 22:01|| 2005-11-13 22:01|| Front Page Top

#36 (Sigh) Okay, a bit of rebuttal; the claim is that the "Mad Mullahs" control the Government by controlling the people,

By the way, the bit about generating power from Djinns was hilarious, and I bet was intended to be humor, scientists have a funny bone too.
Does anyone recall the bit about generating rotating force by tying a buttered bread slice to a cat's back, since buttered bread always lands butter down, and since a cat always lands on it's feet, the combination will simply hover in air spinning madly, just hook up to a generator for free endless power.

Follow the reasoning a bit deeper and you'll find a serious flaw.

Example,

Pat Robertson is a "Highly respected Religious Leader" (Just ask him) and has millions of followers, who work in all phases of society, including the Government, and the Atomic Industries, therefore Pat Robertson controls the Government and the Nuclear weapons.

Snickering yet?
Pat Robertson can call for a Nuclear Strike until hell freezes over, but it won't happen on HIS say so.

'Course if one does occur, he'll claim it's his influence with God that made it happen. (Yeah, Sure)

See the flaw in this argument that the "Mad Mullahs" control the nukes?

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 22:38|| 2005-11-13 22:38|| Front Page Top

#37 nope. Robertson controls no phase of gov't nor does he have theocratic authority over this nation.... not even his own church if he keeps up his sh*t. Nice try

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-11-13 22:46|| 2005-11-13 22:46|| Front Page Top

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