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More Hasan ties to people under FBI investigation

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Posted by 2009-11-11 07:43|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 but they were never forwarded in a formal way to more senior officials at the Pentagon,

Hasan was a good FBI/CIA source, why alert the Army and have him busted and the source terminated? The last thing the bureau would want is some young Army CI agent following Hasan around, reporting on him enter Guns Galore. So what if he wakes up one morning and decides to go on his own bloody jihadi rampage. That's the Army's problem right?

This is going to get very ugly at the national agency level. Never trusted the FBI or the Agency. Never did, never will.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-11 08:08|| 2009-11-11 08:08|| Front Page Top

#2 Authorities intercepted the e-mails but later deemed them innocent or protected by the first amendment.
So how about releasing these "innocent" e-mails so that we can all have our daily dose of laughs, guffaws, sneers, mockery etc at the "Authorities" expense?

Posted by tipper 2009-11-11 10:01|| 2009-11-11 10:01|| Front Page Top

#3 I can barely recognize what the Bureau has become, a bit more like HUD and EPA, sorry to say. How can they come out a few minutes after an event like Ft.Hood (and there are other examples) and declare it not to have a terrorism nexus? They sure have set the bar quite high...I guess that if the instructions didn't come from a letter postmarked Peshawar, Pakistan, affixed with the al-Qaeda stamp with Sayydd al-Qutb and signed by Usama bin Laden, then it's not terrorism.

Posted by Former G-Man 2009-11-11 10:10|| 2009-11-11 10:10|| Front Page Top

#4 This is going to get very ugly at the national agency level. Never trusted the FBI or the Agency. You're an optimist. Basically nothing was done to the FBI or the CIA in the aftermath of 9/11. In 2001 Bush should have fired George Tenet, on general principles and pour encourager les autres. Our current political leadership is even less able to deal with terrorism than W was.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2009-11-11 10:25|| 2009-11-11 10:25|| Front Page Top

#5 How can they come out a few minutes after an event like Ft.Hood (and there are other examples) and declare it not to have a terrorism nexus?

With great respect to your service G-Man, it is quite simple. The Bureau's denying "terrorism" removes it from their sphere of responsibility as the agency responsible for domestic terror.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-11 10:31|| 2009-11-11 10:31|| Front Page Top

#6 The argument against Hasan and "terrorism" is both incredulous and counterintutive. Why would US Intelligence have any interest in the man at all if it were not his involvement in suspected terrorist activity? Was Hasan involved in interstate traffic of stolen goods, car theft, bank robberty, kidnapping?

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-11 10:39|| 2009-11-11 10:39|| Front Page Top

#7 Besoeker: With great respect to your service G-Man, it is quite simple. The Bureau's denying "terrorism" removes it from their sphere of responsibility as the agency responsible for domestic terror.

Good point, but know that a majority of the street Agents don't have that belief, but for those on the career ladder to the top (minus a few well-grounded in management), they are steeped in PC just to play along and get ahead. Very sad.

Posted by Former G-Man 2009-11-11 10:54|| 2009-11-11 10:54|| Front Page Top

#8 Yeah, shit ben going down hill long time now.

Perhaps we can get FormerCIAz view on this vital matter.

Posted by Former Rubber Ducky 2009-11-11 11:55|| 2009-11-11 11:55|| Front Page Top

#9 Nobody got fired after 9-11. One of the people that reportedly instituted the administrative "wall" on intelligence---Jamie Goerlick---was on the 9-11 commission that examined the 9-11 attacks.

There is no accountability at the top. In WW2, after Pearl Harbor was attacked, at least the CINPAC at the time, Admiral Kimmel, was relieved of duty and a change was made. Nothing was done after 9-11.

And after the Hasan shootings, we are back to the same 9-10 mentality. When the government does not protect the people against the country's enemies, then the people must protect themselves. This is not necessarily a good thing, but that is what we are facing. In general, Americans are not the type of people that will scatter like sheep from the wolf.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2009-11-11 12:47|| 2009-11-11 12:47|| Front Page Top

#10 Shortly after midnight on the morning of June 13, 1942, four men landed on a beach near Amagansett, Long Island, New York, from a German submarine, clad in German uniforms and bringing ashore enough explosives, primers, and incendiaries to support an expected two-year career in the sabotage of American defense-related production. On June 17, 1942, a similar group landed on Ponte Vedra Beach, near Jacksonville, Florida, equipped for a similar career of industrial disruption.

The purpose of the invasions was to strike a major blow for Germany by bringing the violence of war to our home ground through destruction of America's ability to manufacture vital equipment and supplies and transport them to the battlegrounds of Europe; to strike fear into the American civilian population, and diminish the resolve of the United States to overcome our enemies.

By June 27, 1942, all eight saboteurs had been arrested without having accomplished one act of destruction. Tried before a Military Commission, they were found guilty. One was sentenced to life imprisonment, another to thirty years, and six received the death penalty, which was carried out within a few days.

Oh, for the old days when PC did not reign supreme. Threats to the U.S. were dealt with in appropriate ways.

Posted by JohnQC 2009-11-11 13:28|| 2009-11-11 13:28|| Front Page Top

#11 20 children will grow up minus one parent all in the name of 'political correctness'.

We all deserve the truth, but I'm hopeful the affected families will hammer the responsible agencies until they're forced to admit how this was allowed to happen.

Posted by Woozle Uneter9007 2009-11-11 13:31|| 2009-11-11 13:31|| Front Page Top

#12 G-Man:

Washington D.C. and the Bureau are the problem, NOT the SAC's and agents in the field. I can take issue with Legats as well, but thats a story for another time. My limited and very dated experience anyway.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-11 13:44|| 2009-11-11 13:44|| Front Page Top

#13 Only one word for Hasan that fully explains him:

TRAITOR

He should be tried and executed as such.

Posted by Bolshoun 2009-11-11 16:19|| 2009-11-11 16:19|| Front Page Top

#14 other points to consider:

1) The administration wants this not to be "terrorism" since it happened on Obama's watch (and evidences that his overture in Cairo to Muslims has failed).

2) If this isn't terrorism, why then did the DOJ charge and convict the Fort Dix Six (Bosnian Muslims) of terrorism when they merely plotted to kill soldiers there a couple of years ago? If Hasan is not charged with terrorism, then I guess only failed assailants are terrorists.

Posted by Former G-Man 2009-11-11 16:24|| 2009-11-11 16:24|| Front Page Top

#15 You have hit the nail on the head G-Man. The "NOT a terrosit act" mantra has come down from POTUS and DOJ. You may recall Barry's early admonition regarding "jumping to conclusions.'

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-11 16:36|| 2009-11-11 16:36|| Front Page Top

#16 Terrorism: violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.

That is clear enough even for the Idiot In Chief.

Posted by Bolshoun 2009-11-11 18:27|| 2009-11-11 18:27|| Front Page Top

#17 The only problem with that definition in this case is that Hasan did not target non-combatants ... he targeted US troops about to deploy to operations in a Muslim country.

He was pre-emptively fighting for the other side.

Posted by lotp 2009-11-11 19:14|| 2009-11-11 19:14|| Front Page Top

#18 "Traitor"

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-11-11 19:18|| 2009-11-11 19:18|| Front Page Top

#19 Hopefully the POTUS's misguided deflecting of this as a terrorist attack (like when the José María Aznar Spanish government blamed ETA for the 4/11 terror attacks) perhaps can be a catalyze to have Obama as a one-term president.

Posted by Former G-Man 2009-11-11 20:14|| 2009-11-11 20:14|| Front Page Top

#20 lotp, IIRC, many of the people the traitor targeted were part of a medical unit. Therefore, they were non-combatants. He also killed two civilians.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia">Rambler in Virginia 2009-11-11 20:31|| 2009-11-11 20:31|| Front Page Top

#21 Read and weep.

Docs worried soldier was 'psychotic'

Posted by tipper 2009-11-11 21:58|| 2009-11-11 21:58|| Front Page Top

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