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2011-11-04 Home Front: Culture Wars

ADL Says Thirty-five Million Americans Harbor A Hatred For Jews

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Posted by Anonymoose 2011-11-04 12:11|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Like that's news?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-11-04 12:37|| 2011-11-04 12:37|| Front Page Top

#2 Very small sample.I would like to see where they purchased their list. Who answers the home phone nowadays. I would also like to see where in this country it was done. I agree "as the economy worsens that number appears to be growing". Anyone who is even thought to have any wealth is a target with the signals sent by this administration. Just substitute Asian, or White I'd bet similar results. "most-educated Americans were the least prejudiced" I don't believe that for a second.

Posted by Dale 2011-11-04 12:46|| 2011-11-04 12:46|| Front Page Top

#3 35 million people? Oh noes! The horror...

Hey, wait. With a population of 300 million, 35 million is only about 12%. I'm willing to bet that for any given topic, you can find 12% of the population that hate it. We *are* a passionate people, after all.

Add in the sampling issues Dale mentions, and I call shenanigans on the whole thing. Makes a nice scary headline, though.

Posted by SteveS 2011-11-04 13:17|| 2011-11-04 13:17|| Front Page Top

#4 I could be really rude and suggest that most of the anti-Semitism comes from the progressive left, and that (to answer Dale's question) the list they used came from the Democratic Underground...

Posted by Steve White 2011-11-04 13:39|| 2011-11-04 13:39|| Front Page Top

#5 That's what, like one-in-eight?

Even with the small sample size, that's a pretty good score, if ya ask me.

And still getting that bad rap for the crucifixion, I see. Hello - Roman punishment, guys. The Jews would have stoned him, more than likely.

Whether or not he said "Jehovah", presumably.

Posted by mojo 2011-11-04 14:58|| 2011-11-04 14:58|| Front Page Top

#6 I really would like to see such data mapped out. Same with other 'hatreds'. The left loves to point fingers calling the red states hillbillies and racists. Lets find out. I suspect most on Rantburg wouldn't be surprised when the MSM's dog ate their results.

Posted by rjschwarz 2011-11-04 15:05|| 2011-11-04 15:05|| Front Page Top

#7 > 16% agreed that Jewish "business people are so shrewd, others don't have a chance."

> Some 31% believe the Jews were responsible for crucifying Christ

I wouldn't call that hate myself...

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2011-11-04 15:13|| 2011-11-04 15:13|| Front Page Top

#8 "And still getting that bad rap for the crucifixion, I see."

I've never understood that. The Italians (Romans) crucified Jesus, even after the local Itanian "leader" stated he was innocent. So why don't the haters hate the Italians and instead make them Pope?

For that matter, IIUC Jesus had to die to save other people (Christians) from their sins, so why aren't they thanking the people who killed him? After all, without his death/resurrection they wouldn't have a religion.

Why, other than idiocy, I mean.

Posted by Barbara 2011-11-04 15:40|| 2011-11-04 15:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Barbara: The Romans, as the Greeks before them, found that trying to stuff their religions down the Jews' throats created more trouble than it was worth (see Maccabees). Greek and Roman religion had a muddle of arbitrary, fallible gods who had to be placated and who could zap a person for no reason worse than the divine equivalent of a hangover. The Greeks and Romans couldn't understand a people who would face death rather than deny a God who spells out His expectations and tells His people "I have loved you with an everlasting love." So the Romans gave the Jews a sort of free pass to practice their faith without having to offer sacrifices to "The genius of Caesar".

The Jews tended to stick to their own communities and deal as little as possible with their Greek, Roman, and other neighbors. Often the neighbors were insulted by this. Other times, the Jews got along at least politely with their neighbors; and the neighbors became very interested in hearing about their God. A lot of Gentiles practiced the Jewish Law, at least in part.

Pontius Pilate was a political hack, who had gotten himself into deep trouble because he tried to set up a Roman Standard in the Temple. This act of blazing stupidity caused a riot. Tiberius and the Roman Senate didn't like governors who did stupid things that provoked riots.

The political hacks among the Jewish elders included the Saducees, who were very rich and powerful and paid lip service to the Law but didn't give a flying damn about actually following it; and the Pharisees, who used legal hairsplitting to reduce the Mosaic Law to the reductio ad absurdem in their efforts to apply the Law to every single situation. So when Jesus criticized them, the politicians were terrified. The Sadducees didn't want anybody rocking the boat and the Pharisees were furious that Jesus questioned their personal righteousness. They were also terrified that the popular movement that threatened their own authority would threaten the safety of Judea and Galilee.

So they knew just how to force Pilate into carrying out their wishes. Pilate's career and life would have been over if another riot broke out. (Pilate screwed up a later assignment, was cashiered and ordered to commit suicide by Caligula)

The tragic issues of hatred of Jews in Europe stems partly from the Roman-era's Jews' tendency to isolate themselves from their "unclean" neighbors and partly to people confusing the actions of the political powers with the action of the nation as a whole.

Posted by mom 2011-11-04 17:12|| 2011-11-04 17:12|| Front Page Top

#10 HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS, by Darrell Huff

Posted by Alaska Paul 2011-11-04 17:20|| 2011-11-04 17:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Ask Foxman. Every last one of these haters is a Christian fundie. Muslims...pretty mellow and no trouble on that end.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2011-11-04 17:52|| 2011-11-04 17:52|| Front Page Top

#12 I think if Jesus came back today in just about any country of the world and started talking the way he did the first time around, he would still get killed.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2011-11-04 18:01|| 2011-11-04 18:01|| Front Page Top

#13 Israel, Germany, France, UK, Italy, US, Egypt, Soddy Arabia, Mexico. You name it. It is not just a Jewish thing. There are always gonna be people like the Pharisees and Sadducees who cannot allow the truth to be told.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2011-11-04 18:10|| 2011-11-04 18:10|| Front Page Top

#14 Oh, I know the story and the backstory, mom. I'm still waiting for a logical explanation as to (a) why Christians blame the Jews instead of the Romans/Italians, who did the actual killing, and (b) why they're not thankful for the death so they can be redeemed.

Without that logical explanation (for which I'm not holding my breath), looks like bigotry to me.

Posted by Barbara 2011-11-04 18:16|| 2011-11-04 18:16|| Front Page Top

#15 Mom: and the Pharisees, who used legal hairsplitting to reduce the Mosaic Law to the reductio ad absurdem in their efforts to apply the Law to every single situation.

Oh, so they're Democrats...

Posted by Steve White 2011-11-04 18:26|| 2011-11-04 18:26|| Front Page Top

#16 @Barbara -

a) Because in 3 of the 4 Gospels, Pilate is described as only reluctantly executing Jesus at the demand of the Jewish Sanhedrin.

b) Felix Culpa - but still Culpa

Posted by lotp 2011-11-04 18:32|| 2011-11-04 18:32|| Front Page Top

#17 and c) there are some things that transcend linear logic.

Posted by lotp 2011-11-04 18:37|| 2011-11-04 18:37|| Front Page Top

#18 Pilate is described as only reluctantly executing Jesus at the demand of the Jewish Sanhedrin.

And he did give us that exercise program.

Posted by SteveS 2011-11-04 20:20|| 2011-11-04 20:20|| Front Page Top

#19 go to your room

Posted by Frank G 2011-11-04 20:30|| 2011-11-04 20:30|| Front Page Top

#20 Shit, 15% of the U.S. think that aliens are among us. Hey I have and idea, let's do a survey in Pakistan on Jew hate. And Iran. And the Magic Kingdom. And Algeria. And France.

Fuck you survey man.

Do the hard work and tell me something.

Posted by rammer 2011-11-04 20:34|| 2011-11-04 20:34|| Front Page Top

#21 "and c) there are some things that transcend linear logic."

Acknowledged, lotp. ;-p

"15% of the U.S. think that aliens are among us."

I'm shocked, rammer. Only 15%?

Posted by Barbara 2011-11-04 21:03|| 2011-11-04 21:03|| Front Page Top

#22 The figure's actually 17.28 percent.

Posted by Xenthmurp the Arcturan 2011-11-04 21:37|| 2011-11-04 21:37|| Front Page Top

#23 Meanwhile 43.56 percent of us think it would be cool if aliens walked amongst us.

Posted by badanov 2011-11-04 22:01|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2011-11-04 22:01|| Front Page Top

#24 Man do I hate these advocacy groups - especially the ethinic ones like the ADL, SPL, NAACP, GLAAD, Bill Donohue and hundreds of others. We've come so far in this country, but these organizations depend on funding and publicity so they have no incentives to recognize progress, and every reason to promote alarm and crisis.

They actually exacerbate the problem by making these accusations, bolstering suspicions and emnity (no likes being called a bigot) among non-members of their group, encouraging a sense of victimhood and persecution among members of their group and just raising resentments in general.

One more thing, stereotypes do exist, and in general, I feel they should be.....a source of great comedy.

Posted by DJ Curtis C 2011-11-04 22:23|| 2011-11-04 22:23|| Front Page Top

#25 A few small corrections, mom:

1. The Sadducees were Bibilical Law originalists, hewing to those laws laid out by God in the Five Books of Moses, the Torah, aka "the Written Law" but not accepting the modifications developed by the rabbis starting during the First Exile (6th century BCE). Many of the Temple priests (but not all) hewed to this interpretation, but so did a great many others, both in the Jewish provinces and community of exile which stretched from Spain to India, and south into Africa. The Sadducees cared only about God's Law, which delineated not only which animal sacrifices were to be made when, but also required that slaves and animals be given the Sabbath as a day of rest as well as their Jewish masters.

No question that the high priests were quite well off and by all accounts had become quite corrupt... and some were very lax indeed in their personal observance of the Law, even hanging out with the Romans in their gymnasia. But given that even the sweepers in the Temple were of the priestly tribe of Levi, and that quite a few commoners didn't hold with the rabbinic innovations, it seems quite likely that a sizeable contingent of Sadducees had a good deal more children than money to feed them with.

There are still groups of Jews who stick only to the Written Law. The Karaites come to mind, but there are others, some of which claim direct descent from the Sadducees of old.

2. I am a Pharisee. The Pharisees are the rabbinic Jews, who follow the Oral Law, written and argued over in the Talmud and the Mishnah...and in rabbinic arguments which continue to this day. The purpose of these arguments is to understand how ancient laws in the Torah can best be observed in light of the changed times -- the first discussions were about the substitution of charity and prayer for sacrifices in the Temple which was destroyed in 586 BCE. In the past century there has been extensive discussion about whether turning on and off electricity constitutes work which should not be done on the Sabbath; I believe the conclusion was that since people must work to ensure that electricity is produced, turning it on or off is the same as having as servant light or douse a candle, although it is likely I'm wrong about the details of the argument, never having studied the Oral Law in detail. Nowadays there is a wide range of observance which falls within accepted Judaism, from Ultra-Orthodox so hairsplitting they will eat nothing but fresh-picked fruit at another's table to those who happily eat pork with lobster sauce for lunch on Yom Kippur, while the rest of us fast.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-11-04 23:54|| 2011-11-04 23:54|| Front Page Top

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