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2004-11-03 Home Front: Politix

Prop 200

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Posted by 2004-11-03 7:23:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 That was me,don't know what happened.

Posted by raptor 2004-11-03 9:15:40 AM|| 2004-11-03 9:15:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Unfortunately, this affects Americans who receive services from agencies funded by public money. If a woman who is a citizen, is fleeing domestic violence (DV) and goes to a DV shelter, if she does not have proper ID, she could be refused entry to the shelter and access to its services. I agree that immigration issues are not being properly addressed. It is too bad that this Prop affects citizens as well. Signed, A Conservative Social Worker

Posted by MSWpundit 2004-11-03 9:30:00 AM|| 2004-11-03 9:30:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 As a Arizonia citizen and voter, one who voted for Prop 200, I saw the need for it as I was in the poll yesterday. I had received a new registration card which I had not yet signed, deliberatly. I presented the card but was not ask to sign it and was not ask to show any proof that I was the person who was named on the card. I could have stolen, found or fraudulently obtained this card. While I don't believe that voter fraud is rampant in the U. S. I damn well don't want it to become so. Prop 200 may not be the perfect instrument, but it is a first step into getting a handle on this running sore that is present in the border states.

The Hispanic activists tell us it is racist and discriminatory. Quite the contrary, it protects the Hispanic citizen just as well as the Anglo. If you want to be a U.S. citizen you must be one over and above all other loyalities that you may have held.

Posted by Old Fogey 2004-11-03 9:56:31 AM|| 2004-11-03 9:56:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 MSW: are shelters in AZ state funded or partially state funded? My wife is MSW also... and helps out in that area from time to time.

(yes, she's a socialist, but the flesh is weak)

Posted by Shipman 2004-11-03 11:01:56 AM|| 2004-11-03 11:01:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 As a concerned Arizona resident, I voted against Prop. 200. Ill-thought out, unfunded, and a bandage for the all too serious problem of illegal immigration. (Under this proposed law, governmental services must require proof of citizenship: for example a librarian who gives phone information to a non-citizen could face fines and prison time...)
_borgboy sez its not only a bandage but a dirty one at that...

Posted by borgboy 2004-11-03 1:12:59 PM|| 2004-11-03 1:12:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 OF,
I will never understand this. You would think someone whose voter registration card was stolen and someone voted in their stead would have taken legal action to stop this disenfranchisment of legitimate voters. Where I vote, one is asked for a driver's license or picture ID.

Posted by ed 2004-11-03 5:51:41 PM|| 2004-11-03 5:51:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Shipman,
Most Domestic Violence shelters in Arizona get some of their funding from the State, as do many other social service agencies. This Prop goes way beyond showing your ID to vote as it affects American citizens' access to services. I agree that voting for this Prop was the voters way of telling the government that immigration issues are not being addressed.

Posted by MSWpundit 2004-11-03 6:23:47 PM|| 2004-11-03 6:23:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Under this proposed law, governmental services must require proof of citizenship: for example a librarian who gives phone information to a non-citizen could face fines and prison time...

Oooooh, let's throw in the 'poor librarian' defense. You left out the fireman putting out a non-citizens' car fire.

This was a vote based on frustration. The best the opposition to Prop 200 could throw out (besides 1 million to try and defeat it) was saying "hold out for 'real' reform". Like that would have happened. Until this admittedly flawed proposal came about, reform would never have even been discussed, never mind facing any pressure to do so.

Posted by Pappy 2004-11-03 7:41:23 PM|| 2004-11-03 7:41:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Prop 200 in Arizona, like Prop 187 in California, is an indictment of our gutless state and federal governments' unwillingness to enforce the law. Have you ever stopped to consider the absurdity of a State legislature debating whether or not to give ILLEGAL aliens drivers licenses or to provide them INSTATE tuition at state universities? This don't ask-don't tell approach to the law started with Bill Clinton and continues to spread. Much of the budget problems afflicting California and Arizona rests with uncontrolled illegal immigration and the state and federal mandates that make the taxpayers support them.

Posted by RWV 2004-11-03 11:51:23 PM|| 2004-11-03 11:51:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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