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2004-11-01 Home Front: Politix
Kerry Stepson: 'Jewish Lobby Too Powerful'
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Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-11-01 2:44:27 AM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Usually kids don't fall to far from the tree. So this guy's antisemitism should be illustrative.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-11-01 5:55:04 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-11-01 5:55:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The sad part is, among Dem activists, he was probably just saying out loud what they all think in private.

I have a dear friend who is a liberal Jew, and a straight-ticket Democrat voter. I do not know if she realizes that there are an awful lot of people in her party that wouldn't mind seeing her dead. I pity her for what it will be like on the day she finally gets it.
Posted by Mike  2004-11-01 7:23:38 AM||   2004-11-01 7:23:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 This incident seemed like a deliberate GOTV action to me, picking up on the anti-Israel stance of many in Ivy league schools like U Penn (home to the B-school where Heinz made these remarks).
Posted by rkb 2004-11-01 8:13:59 AM||   2004-11-01 8:13:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I have to agree with Mike. Many of the people I know are liberal ABB people. To a person, they echo these sentiments - but only in hushed tones and sarcastic comments. What I find most shocking, is realization is that their snide comments are feelers looking for is a sympathetic ear - to validate and expand on the Zionist cabal theme.

If Kerry wins, I expect they will be free to become more open and vicious about their beliefs.

It's shocking and frigtening that history would be willing to repeat itself on such a bloody and discredited lie.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 9:21:18 AM||   2004-11-01 9:21:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 rkb is correct as usual. What is astounding and what I would love to hear Liberalhawk explain, is the reticence of Jewish Americans to leave the Democrat party. It was clear in the Clinton Administration that the Ds were anti-Israel. Yet Gore got the preponderance of their support. I don't think they should be single issue voters, but neither should they be blue dog voters. And now the anti-Israelism is turning into Anti-Semitism. What gives?
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-01 9:43:14 AM||   2004-11-01 9:43:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Mrs. D...the jewish people that I know identify more with the Democratic party than they do with Israeli politics.

Likewise, most of my friends who are Jewish pshaw and are disbelieving of the level of anti-Semitism that exists among the left. I'm not even sure if they are aware of just how venomous the left has become since it is a sensitive subject to discuss - and like most racist comments, they are made in cowardly whispers to welcoming ears.

I have heard shocking anti-Semitic comments from people who are very friendly with the Jews they know personally; individuals whom they truly like as individuals and harbor no ill will. Rather, it's as if, when talking about "the Jews", they are referring to that big anonymous group of "they" - the rich Zionist Cabal - that's the problem. They don't seem to be specifically referring to David, who lives next door..."even though he's Jewish, he's a great guy". But that doesn't make the overall trend any less troubling or dangerous.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 10:54:16 AM||   2004-11-01 10:54:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 What is astounding and what I would love to hear Liberalhawk explain, is the reticence of Jewish Americans to leave the Democrat party

What Young Ketchup Scion has done is to amplify the fears of those liberal Democratic jewish voters who suspect, rightly, that Kerry's pro-French posture will lead to strong pressure on him to sell out Sharon and Israel.

Can't speak for LH but my own view, as a nat'l security Dem, is that Bush stands to pick up perhaps 40% of the jewish vote this year, instead of the usual 20% that the Repub candidate gets. The only times in recent history that such a shift has happened have been when the Dem candidate was so completely dovish vs the Soviets, and soft on supporting Israel as well (these positions tend to go together) were in 1972 and 1980. Guess whose foreign policy platform Kerry's most resembles? Can you say, McGovern? Marty Peretz, editor of the New Republic and a close buddy of Al Gore, has made this case very forcefully recently, as have Ed Koch and others.

Here's how the numbers work: Bush will win all of the Orthodox jews (10% of total jewish vote) + all of the Republican jews who are Reform or Conservative (~10% of total) + ~25% of the 80% or so of jewish voters who are liberal Democrats. Since the jewish vote is at least 6% of the Florida vote, and 5-6% of the Pennsylvania vote, this shift-- of 0.20 x 0.06 = 1.2% will likely make the difference in FL and PA, and hand the election to Bush. So best to give Ketchup Boy a bigger platform, and a miocrophone, and a spot on Katie Couric.

Posted by lex 2004-11-01 11:22:28 AM||   2004-11-01 11:22:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I hope you are right, Lex. But of the Jewish people that I know - a fair number - ALL are avidly supporting Kerry - except one who was recently in Israel.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 11:26:55 AM||   2004-11-01 11:26:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 2b and others with Kerry-voting Jewish friends:

It's not too late to point out this clown's latest pronouncement to them.

Maybe some of them might start to think.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-11-01 11:37:21 AM||   2004-11-01 11:37:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Barbara - I wish I could say that I would - but even asking probing questions results in being shot as the messenger - shotgun blasts right to the face. They won't change their minds - and the only result is that I would have created resentment. Even among those I am very close with, this subject is 100% taboo - that's why I'm interested in doing it through the facelessness of the internet.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 11:44:36 AM||   2004-11-01 11:44:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I've forwarded it to Roger L. Simon, the liberal, pro-Bush, pro-Iraq War blogger and Oscar-winning Hollywood screenwriter/novelist: www.rogerlsimon.com

It'll be all over LGF and Instapundit by noon.
Posted by lex 2004-11-01 11:44:47 AM||   2004-11-01 11:44:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I think Glenn already had it this morning. Oh...and make sure you put the "L" in rogerlsimon.com!

rogersimon.com is a chief correspondent for US News and a loon. Roger Simon v/s Roger L. Simon is the perfect analogy to highlight the fall of the Major media and the rise of the blogs.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 12:01:11 PM||   2004-11-01 12:01:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 From Marty Peretz's editorial in his magazine (he's one of three owners, also has been the chief editor for 30 years) the New Republic:
http://tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=peretz110804
Excerpt:
"since [Kerry] has so much esteem for the United Nations and the "world community," who can be sure that Kerry would employ the "permanent member" veto power on Israel's behalf?)

The European Union also has great cachet with Kerry, and its mischievous views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are shared by Kerry advisers like Martin Indyk and Rand Beers. The European Union disapproves of Sharon's plan to vacate all of the Gaza settlements and four in northern Samaria, claiming this is a cover for Israel retaining the rest of the West Bank. As Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has made clear, the present Israeli government intends to withdraw tens of thousands of settlers from their homes. But it will not return to the precarious cease-fire lines of 1949. Yet, for France and Spain and, for that matter, Indyk, Israel's withdrawal must be complete--that is, to the old frontiers, as if these will suddenly bring it peace. These are not Bush's borders. And, since Kerry has not disavowed his advisers, it is more than reasonable to suspect that they are his.

Now, another Kerry eminence, Zbigniew Brzezinski, habitually cavalier about Israel's perils, has put out a hash of tattered ideas that include bringing European and Muslim troops to Iraq--and perhaps even persuading Iran to foreclose its nuclear option and ending U.S. isolation in the struggle against Islamist terrorism. All that, and just by leaving Israel in the lurch.
Posted by lex 2004-11-01 12:07:06 PM||   2004-11-01 12:07:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Methinks that if you are a card carrying member of Z.O.G. you ARE ENTITLED TO BE POWERFUL! :))
Posted by borgboy 2004-11-01 2:54:43 PM||   2004-11-01 2:54:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I don't understand why many Jewish Americans don't vote conservative as I've found that the Jews who've tried to go out on a limb for social justice for instance in the case of blacks have only beed despised for it by that same group. I also couldn't understand as one of our most industrious sectors of society Jews as a whole don't vote conservative.

As for the blacks, they've been on the dimmi plantation so long they just lock step to the polls for the dimmis. I find it comical that niether Sharpton nor Jackson have whined that Kerry has not picked one minority for a cabinet position. F*cking race baiter charlatans is all they are.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-11-01 3:05:00 PM||   2004-11-01 3:05:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 "It was clear in the Clinton Administration that the Ds were anti-Israel. Yet Gore got the preponderance of their support."

Doesn't anybody remember Joe Lieberman? That's the main reason why Gore received most of the Jewish vote in 2000.

I'm a former straight-ticket Jewish Dem voter (watch those cat-calls now.) that's now voting for Bush with no remorse whatsoever.

A friend of my daughter's grandmother just got back from Israel and said that the majority of eligible voters is voting for Bush. I also know that there is a large Ultra-Orthodox push to vote in this election as well whereas in the past the Ult. Ortho's didn't bother to vote.

Traditionally, Israeli voters mirror the split of Jewish voters in the US.

Not this year, IMO. I think that Bush will receive greater than 30% of the Jewish vote.
Posted by danking70 2004-11-01 4:15:34 PM||   2004-11-01 4:15:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 What Stinks Chris Heinz' unmasked remarks..
Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-11-01 4:44:07 PM||   2004-11-01 4:44:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 i wrote something long, but its in the sinktrap.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-11-01 4:51:14 PM||   2004-11-01 4:51:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Thanks LH. I look forward to reading it.
Danking70. You're right. My early onset senility. But still...
2b I have had the same experience as you with my Jewish friends. It's like voting D is one of the ten commandments.
Mark Espinola. Occasionally the animations are funny. Constantly, annoying.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-01 5:04:03 PM||   2004-11-01 5:04:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 I forget how to access the sink trap. LH..maybe you'd like to rethink it and clean it up so your thoughts aren't worthy of being there. It's not easy to get thrown with out the garbage here at rantburg!

Mrs. D......ahhhhh....I like them :-)
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 5:22:24 PM||   2004-11-01 5:22:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 I'd like to read LH's thoughts on this matter too... but the sink trap is holding a redirect html post.... :(

I think LH may have gotten an automatic sinker... it seems to happen from time to time. Key words in the wrong sequence or somesuch?

fnord
Posted by Shipman 2004-11-01 5:25:34 PM||   2004-11-01 5:25:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 whenever i post something long on jews or judaism it seems to go in the sinktrap - payment for past wordiness? :)
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-11-01 5:28:22 PM||   2004-11-01 5:28:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Parallels? You be the judge:

A person marries into a religion that he/she knows will result in their own mistreatment; they ask you later for help because they are being mistreated. You help. They divorce and marry the same way (make the same mistake) again; you help again.

How many times can this person expect help from you before you demand some level of responsible decision making, some inkling of self preservation on their part?

For any Jews who will vote for the Dems in this election, when they know that the Dem platform bends over backwards with concern over suicide bombers and the plight of the Palestinians, while promoting international engagement with Islamic factions that seek the extermination of Jews-Palestinian jihadis would be one example-should we simply smile and tolerate your own urge for self destruction, when we know darn well the outcome of your choice will mean America has to save the day again, with our blood, sweat, money, and international reputation as a fair power?
Posted by Jules 187 2004-11-01 5:30:22 PM||   2004-11-01 5:30:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 LH...shipman's probably right about it being automatic. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts...though I'm a strong believer that one person never can represent a group - but it's just beyond me why Jews are sticking with the left. The far left is all about blame and shame these days, and the "too powerful jews" are becoming their scapegoat chic.

Jules..it's a good and valid analogy.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 5:37:39 PM||   2004-11-01 5:37:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 LH, How about posting it on the opinion page?
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-01 5:46:13 PM||   2004-11-01 5:46:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 it aint realy an opinion, just some thoughts, and there should be some way for someone to get it from the sink trap.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-11-01 6:00:16 PM||   2004-11-01 6:00:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 I taught in the university for many years until I got pissed off about education being supplanted by PC and retired early. Not all faculty in universities believe the PC party line but a large percentage do. The radicals of the 60s took over the universities of the new millenium. Moreover, faculty makeup looks like the UN. I think faculties tend to vote Democratic for the most part. Anti-semitism seems active in today's universities.

My in-laws and other relatives on my wife's side (all Jewish) all vote Democratic. When asked why, they say we always have. We get chided about being Republicans. I don't get it. Reagan supported Israel. Bush supports Israel. I don't believe the Democrats care anything about Israel. I'm glad to see Bush picking up more Jewish support. There is a hypocracy and phoniness inherent in today's Democratic Party. The party went way over to the left with the Clintons and never came back. The Democrats masquerade as moderates and centrists to win elections. I have heard many Democrats say they would vote for Clinton again if they could. You just feel like shaking them to get the sawdust out of their brains.
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2004-11-01 6:19:22 PM||   2004-11-01 6:19:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 The reason most non-Orthodox jews are reluctant to declare a preference for Bush is the deep antipathy to the Christian Right.

Y'all can call this irrational if you like, but most jewish Americans find it difficult to get in bed with the likes of Pat Robertson. This is the only possible reason that Kerry might get anything more than two-thirds of the jewish vote this year.

Nonetheless, the polling booths remain private, and I therefore stand by my prediction that Closet Bush Backers will constitute 20% or more of the jewish vote (+ another 20% from Orthodox and Republican jewish voters). How the hell do you think Schwarzenegger got 60% of the California Democratic vote? If an Austrian nazi's son could get a few hundred thousand liberal jewish votes, then certainly Israel's strongest ally will get a million liberal jewish votes nationwide tomorrow. Don't confuse what people publicly say with how they actually behave in the privacy of the voting booth.
Posted by lex 2004-11-01 6:19:32 PM||   2004-11-01 6:19:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 I agree with you Lex. I think the reason that the Jewish voters are unwilling to acknowledge the very real and ominous threat from the left - is that it leaves them facing a demon that they have spent their lives believing to be a source of all that is wrong with America - the Christian right.

The irony is that it is only the Christian's have never harmed them and have provided the only sanctuaries in the world where they can live in peace. But because for so many years they could not find acceptance within it's majority - they joined with the socialists and communists and well meaning people on the left who sought to undue the Christian influence in Western societies.

I don't think they can get past it to realize just how serious this "powerful jew" rhetoric has become on the left. It only took 6 weeks after Hitler was elected for the pogroms to begin. SIX WEEKS! Now, obviously we aren't near that yet, but that just goes to show you how quickly this blame game can spin out of control when promoted from the top.

I really think Jewish voters need to take a long look in the mirror before they pull that lever for Kerry. Pat Robertson to date hasn't harmed anything but their patience. That Kerry's son would spew this ugly talk bodes very poorly as does Kerry's obvious willingness to sacrifice Israel to win "global" approval.
Posted by 2b 2004-11-01 7:31:53 PM||   2004-11-01 7:31:53 PM|| Front Page Top

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