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2022-10-31 Europe
‘ Let's Get Out Of NATO’ Discontent Soars Across Europe As Russian Sanctions Backfire
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Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-10-31 06:29|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ]  Top

#1 ...but also very surprising, support for NATO's involvement in Ukraine is waning.

"Surprising" to some possibly.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-31 10:01||   2022-10-31 10:01|| Front Page Top

#2 Europeans won't freeze for Ukraine. Elites think they can play the covid game again.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-10-31 10:02||   2022-10-31 10:02|| Front Page Top

#3 Congress Passes Funding Stopgap Bill To Avoid Ukrainian Government Shutdown
Sep 29, 2022

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In the nick of time, Congress has passed a bipartisan $12 billion funding bill, narrowly avoiding a Ukrainian government shutdown.

"As elected representatives chosen by the people, it is our solemn duty, as outlined in the Constitution, to fully fund the Ukrainian government at all times," said Senator Chuck Schumer. "We humbly accept this sacred responsibility to send billions to Ukraine, who will send it to Raytheon, who will send it to super PACs, who will help us get elected. It's the right thing to do."

President Zelensky took a few moments in between magazine glamour shoots to thank America for her generosity. "We promise we will put this vast, vast wealth to good use," he said while checking the time on his new Girard-Perregaux Quasar Light Tourbillon wristwatch. "We know that Americans get up and go to work every day hoping that some of their money is used to kill Russians. I'm proud to be making their dreams come true."

Congress estimates the stopgap bill will keep Ukraine funded for at least two weeks, or until their super PACs run out of money.
Posted by Thumper Smith5701 2022-10-31 10:24||   2022-10-31 10:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Was it NATO that killed Quadaffi... and led to a flood of 'migrants' into Europe? or was that just member states acting together outside of NATO?

European schools should teach a class about unintended consequences.
Posted by ruprecht 2022-10-31 10:40||   2022-10-31 10:40|| Front Page Top

#5 Just thionk for a minute what would happen if Putin wins.
Of course we all know Hitler was happy with Poland and had no further wishes.

Supporting Ukraine is a lot cheaper than defending the Baltic States and Poland from Russian aggression later on.

I thought most Rantburg members weren't exactly friends of appeasement.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-31 11:47||   2022-10-31 11:47|| Front Page Top

#6 I honestly think it's worth funding them just to test stuff out and see how the battlefield is changing. Seeing how drones have been used with mortar rounds and the like has been quite educational. Is there corruption in the Ukraine, sure. As long as we're not committing troops to it, I'm okay. Now if Russian hits Poland or other NATO members, then NATO needs to follow up on that, not just the US.
Posted by Silentbrick 2022-10-31 12:13||   2022-10-31 12:13|| Front Page Top

#7 EC, it’s more of an issue of the Europeans sucking from the tit of the American taxpayer.
I’ll wager when the Ukraine war is over Germany goes back to its green ways and buys Russian gas.
Posted by Ebbuger Whuque4103 2022-10-31 12:37||   2022-10-31 12:37|| Front Page Top

#8 Is Thumper a Bee writer? He had me going there for a minute.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-31 12:43||   2022-10-31 12:43|| Front Page Top

#9 EC, Ukraine is not Poland and Putin is not Hitler. If Putin attacks a NATO country he should get a NATO response. We'd have to see if all NATO members really would respond but I would support that response if they did. I do not support NATO involvement in Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia or Kazakhstan. I do not support CIA meddling in the affairs of those countries. NATO has gone far enough and the CIA has gone way too for way too long.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-31 12:59||   2022-10-31 12:59|| Front Page Top

#10 Is Thumper a Bee writer?

Congress Passes Funding Stopgap Bill To Avoid Ukrainian Government Shutdown . The article is from the Bee, anyway.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-31 13:03||   2022-10-31 13:03|| Front Page Top

#11 I do not support endless wars just to keep our military/media/industrial complex busy.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-31 13:05||   2022-10-31 13:05|| Front Page Top

#12 Ebbuger Whuque4103
No, Germany will NOT go back to Russian gas.

Abu Uluque
Putin invaded Ukraine because he counted on Western weakness. He didn't think that Europe (and especially Germany) would cut most ties.

He still relies on fearmongering. Churchill once said about Chamberlain: “The government had to choose between shame and war. They chose shame. They will get war too.”
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-31 13:11||   2022-10-31 13:11|| Front Page Top

#13 Appeasement, what an interesting choice of a word!
I spent a huge chunk of my life willingly accepting the idea that I would defend Europe from the Russians at the cost of my life if my country asked it of me. I understood the looming threat that the communist bloc lead by Russia would pose to my nation and family if Europe feel to the Soviet Empire. Today, FIFTY YEARS later, that threat is a pale ghost of its prime, and seems spent in most ways military short of nuclear weapons. And after all those decades of protection and alliance, the word appeasement is used, because getting off your comfortable asses and doing what is needed, conventionally, to protect yourselves is too troublesome?

The days of paternalistic rescue when things get dangerous is past, we are fractured, broke, invaded, angry, and in the midst of a serious tipping point domestically nation.

I signed up to protect the NATO alliance, not to protect an ever expansive NATO composed of natons who signed on for the sweet ride of defense expenditure avoidance by looking for Uncle Sugar to lean in.

I'm being courteous but please avoid being insulting...
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-10-31 14:12||   2022-10-31 14:12|| Front Page Top

#14 IOW, Ukraine is too big to fail, and we once again just have to suck it up for the Dem's "pressssshus democraseeeeeeee".
Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-10-31 14:20||   2022-10-31 14:20|| Front Page Top

#15 
The new Ottoman Empire,
should it ever require,
its 'allies' to pursue,
a cooperative quagmire,
what would Christians do?
Would they help the moslem
kill his enemy the Jew?


That's NATO for you in a nutshell. Taking you where you don't wanna go, making you friends you don't wanna make. The only ones who profit are the MIC and of course, clever motherfcukers feeding you cheap beer and sappy camaraderie.
Posted by Dron66046 2022-10-31 14:27||   2022-10-31 14:27|| Front Page Top

#16 "As elected representatives chosen by the people, it is our solemn duty, as outlined in the Constitution, to fully fund the Ukrainian government at all times," said Senator Chuck Schumer. "We humbly accept this sacred responsibility to send billions to Ukraine, who will send it to Raytheon, who will send it to super PACs, who will help us get elected. It's the right thing to do."

Hahaha. That’s it in a nutshell
Posted by Billy B  2022-10-31 15:05||   2022-10-31 15:05|| Front Page Top

#17 Gloves off.

Russia Launches Barrage of Strikes Across Ukraine, Targeting Infrastructure
Electricity and water supplies are hit across the country as strikes on civilian resources intensify
Updated Oct. 31, 2022 3:06 pm ET

KYIV, Ukraine—Russian forces launched a wave of missile strikes across Ukraine on Monday that knocked out electricity and water supplies in Kyiv and other cities, just as the country was recovering from the damage inflicted in the Kremlin’s recent attacks on civilian infrastructure.

Ukraine’s Patchwork Air Defense Faces New Threat From Cheap Iranian Drones
After Ukraine was pummeled by drones and missiles earlier this month, the U.S. and its partners said they would help Kyiv build an integrated air defense to cover priority targets, but no timetable has been set.

Posted by Jack Sforza7392 2022-10-31 16:38||   2022-10-31 16:38|| Front Page Top

#18 Echos of the 80's agiprop in Europe when Reagan deployed Pershings and cruise missiles.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-10-31 17:02||   2022-10-31 17:02|| Front Page Top

#19 …. except Russia actually did threaten us then, whereas today they don’t threaten us in the slightest. They’re not a peer competitor. Not even close.

#ShutDownNATO
#BringEmHome
Posted by Billy B  2022-10-31 17:06||   2022-10-31 17:06|| Front Page Top

#20 Arch-liberal internationalist Jeffrey Sachs speaks out, and calls bullshit on Biden’s Ukraine adventure:

Biden's Foreign Policy Is Sinking the Congressional Dems—and Ukraine
The proxy war between the U.S. and Russia is devastating Ukraine, ironically in the name of saving Ukraine.

JEFFREY D. SACHS
October 30, 2022

President Joe Biden is undermining his party’s Congressional prospects through a deeply flawed foreign policy. Biden believes that America’s global reputation is at stake in the Ukraine War and has consistently rejected a diplomatic off-ramp.

The Ukraine War, combined with the administration’s disruptions of economic relations with China, is aggravating the stagflation that will likely deliver one or both houses of Congress to the Republicans. Far worse, Biden’s dismissal of diplomacy prolongs the destruction of Ukraine and threatens nuclear war.
Posted by Markus 2022-10-31 17:23||   2022-10-31 17:23|| Front Page Top

#21 European Conservative, Even if Russia wins in Ukraine they won't get the entire country, and they've taken such a bloody nose.... They are dusting off old tanks and calling up old and young the way Hitler did near the very end.

Now add to that your own statements on Germany not buying Russian oil. I suspect the rest of Europe feels the same way. Add to that Russian equipment was shown to be substandard compared to that of the west and their arms industry might be seriously hurting in the near future. Russian hard currency is gonna dry before long making rebuilding that much harder.

They are unlikely to invade another country for some time. Putin killed Russia and the myth of Russia with this ill advised venture and refusal to end it when he had a chance.

Posted by ruprecht 2022-10-31 17:42||   2022-10-31 17:42|| Front Page Top

#22 The whole thing proved Nato membership wasn't such a big deal as all the members stood side-to-side and defended a non-member with billions in training and support.
Posted by ruprecht 2022-10-31 17:43||   2022-10-31 17:43|| Front Page Top

#23 Ref #22. Sort of a non-denominational support group approach.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-31 18:04||   2022-10-31 18:04|| Front Page Top

#24 Cut the Germans loose, ditto for the Polacks and the Ukrainians.

Let them sort out their squabbles on their own dime. It’s just not our problem.
Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-31 18:05||   2022-10-31 18:05|| Front Page Top

#25 Apparently, a good number of people here want to see several dozen nations with their own nukes. That's when the 'fun' begins.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-10-31 18:13||   2022-10-31 18:13|| Front Page Top

#26 What really dismays me is not the anon Russ Trolls, but the long-time posters, who celebrate Putin's attacks on civilian power/water/transport/civilian centers. You should be ashamed
Posted by Frank G 2022-10-31 19:18||   2022-10-31 19:18|| Front Page Top

#27 P2K, you mean like Pakistan and North Korea? That happened on Clinton's watch. Oh, and then there's Iran. Don't see Biden doing much about that. If we were going to meddle in the affairs of other countries, those would have been the candidates because they pose actual threats. Not Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and not Ukraine either.

But, honestly, I grow weary of arguing this subject. I'm not changing anybody's mind and nobody is changing mine. I just think our politicians and our friends in Europe should know there are those of us in America who don't believe Joe Biden's version of events in Ukraine, who will not support any further NATO expansion, and will not support much more funding for the little mad man Zelensky.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-31 19:30||   2022-10-31 19:30|| Front Page Top

#28 #1 surprising, support for NATO's involvement in Ukraine is waning.
"Surprising" to some possibly.

Not to official Washington. Most effective as of 2022 is Citizens For Sanity’s “HELL NO!”

HELL NO to this corrupt and freakish administration and their shitty forever war:

Citizens for Sanity Runs Brutal Ads During Games One and Two of the World Series Blasting Biden, Democrats and Ukrainian Grifters

“Record inflation. Groceries up 13%. Gas up 36%. And crime is out of control. But instead of helping us, Joe Biden sent $66 billion to to Ukraine. Billions more on weapons. Instead of helping us.”


Posted by Billy B 2022-10-31 19:38||   2022-10-31 19:38|| Front Page Top

#29 * Most effective political ad of 2022
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-31 19:40||   2022-10-31 19:40|| Front Page Top

#30 OK, I will add one more thing. The original purpose of NATO was to defend Western Europe from the Soviet Union. Mission accomplished. If you want me to believe that Putin is threatening Europe now, forget it. Europe's biggest threat comes from its own political elites who have allowed the continent to be flooded with millions of so-called immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. Those people hate Europeans, hate Western Civilization and will destroy it if they can. NATO cannot save Europeans from their own stupidity. The will have to wake up and save themselves or perish. They won't be the first civilization to turn to dust.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-31 19:41||   2022-10-31 19:41|| Front Page Top

#31 Well said Abu.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-31 19:43||   2022-10-31 19:43|| Front Page Top

#32 Europe's biggest threat comes from its own political elites

Exactly right.

This is precisely why our corrupt and freakishly incompetent political elites need a forever war against their made-up enemy.

Trump is Putin is Emmanuel Goldstein.

Pay no attention to your (devastated) bank account!
Pay no attention to your children’s (nightmarish) schools, their freakshow teachers and the state-sponsored ped0s grooming and preying on them!
Pay no attention to our rapists and murderers wreaking havoc on your streets!
Ignore all this.

No: Rally around the T-shirt man and fight with his Nazis against … TRUMP-PUTLER!!!

For Our Democracy(tm)!

All gather for the Two Minutes Hate!

Posted by Billy B  2022-10-31 19:50||   2022-10-31 19:50|| Front Page Top

#33 I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
Posted by JHH 2022-10-31 21:04||   2022-10-31 21:04|| Front Page Top

#34 If you want me to believe that Putin is threatening Europe now, forget it.

Not an effective military threat, clearly, but what would you call Russia summarily cutting off oil and natural gas flows to Europe, after having done the same to Ukraine and, if I recall correctly, Georgia?

There have also been DDOS and hack attacks on Ukraine, Georgia, and others I don’t recall, and spying and subordination that picked up again after the fall of the Soviet Union.

So all sorts of asymmetric efforts.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-31 21:05||   2022-10-31 21:05|| Front Page Top

#35 Also — Richard III! It’s been a while since we’ve had Shakespear quotes. :-)
Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-31 21:07||   2022-10-31 21:07|| Front Page Top

#36 Now is the Winter of Europe’s discontent
Made glorious landslide by these sons of Trump
And all the clowns (that lowered the boom on us)
Have schnozzes in the deep bosoms of their nubiles buried
Posted by Big Brother Is Sniffing You  2022-10-31 22:57||   2022-10-31 22:57|| Front Page Top

#37 Paul was BORN so high.
Our weirdo buildeth in the PacHeights’ top
And dallies with the pervs
And scorns the hag!
Posted by Big Brother Is Sniffing You  2022-10-31 22:59||   2022-10-31 22:59|| Front Page Top

#38 Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
To set Americans
In deadly hate the one against the other:
And if King Donald be as true and just
As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
This day should I be, uh… the thing… ah.. closely be fuck'd up
Posted by Big Brother Is Sniffing You  2022-10-31 23:03||   2022-10-31 23:03|| Front Page Top

#39 been a while since we’ve had Shakespear quotes
twosome it wood sew appeare
Posted by Large Clong7231 2022-10-31 23:09||   2022-10-31 23:09|| Front Page Top

#40 He capers nimbly in a nubile’s chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute
Posted by Big Brother Is Sniffing You  2022-10-31 23:16||   2022-10-31 23:16|| Front Page Top

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