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2011-10-28 Fifth Column

Iraq War Veteran Injured at OWS Oakland Founder of IHateTheMarineCorps.com

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Posted by Anonymoose 2011-10-28 11:04|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 Karma hates your ass dude.

Posted by DarthVader 2011-10-28 11:16|| 2011-10-28 11:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Does he qualify as a new member in standing of the Murtha-Ritter Gang?

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-10-28 12:10|| 2011-10-28 12:10|| Front Page Top

#3 Based on conversations with a family relative in the Corps during OIF, Marines, be they officers or enlisted, don't cater much to 'wussies' and 'whiners' (or even worse - lazy f*s) and probably made this young man's life a tad difficult.

Hence the resentment.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2011-10-28 12:16|| 2011-10-28 12:16|| Front Page Top

#4 And what exactly does him hating the Marine Corps have to do with him being shot in the head with a tear gas canister while just standing there at a legal protest? Yeah, maybe he is scum, I don't know. And we all know the occupiers are bunch of worthless fucks. But that doesn't excuse what happened to him. It used to be people on this forum were true Americans who support the Constitution. Now it seems people just want to sling mud at people whose opinion we disagree with. Lovely.

Here's hoping Cain wins the Presidency.

Posted by Hupereling Elminert9399 2011-10-28 13:05|| 2011-10-28 13:05|| Front Page Top

#5 Well of course we support 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble,' as defined in the Constitution. What part of the process in which they had to resort to using tear gas during a confrontation between the protesters and the police might give the impression that it had ceased to be peaceful? Hmmm...maybe because The police are saying that they had to deploy beanbags and maybe tear-gas because people started throwing bottles, plates, and rocks when they tried to clear out the encampment at Occupy Oakland.

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-10-28 13:14|| 2011-10-28 13:14|| Front Page Top

#6 The kid got seven medals apparently while serving our country. He does not deserve to be treated to storm trooper tactics in our own country. He is allowed to think his own thoughts and believe what he believes. It is disgusting that our country is coming to this. "Karma" may hate him, but I suspect God loves him dearly.

I don't like the leftists in this country, but I am very aware that our country has been looted by Wall Street types since the late 1970s when they were allowed to use high leverage to forcibly takeover all our companies and asset strip them. And they have been doing it ever since and our political class obviously has benefited from it so much they have no intention of stopping it. We have literally been plundered and our jobs shipped overseas.

This is the lifestyle of the Chinese slaves building our Oakland Bay Bridge for us...it's what is coming to your neighborhood.

Pan Zhongwang, a 55-year-old steel polisher, is a typical Zhenhua worker. He arrives at 7 a.m. and leaves at 11 p.m., often working seven days a week. He lives in a company dorm and earns about $12 a day.

And we the taxpayers get to pay for this. No one asked me.

You're being played the fools if you think because people think that the US isn't some shining light on the hill any more that they are suddenly the enemy.

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 13:57|| 2011-10-28 13:57|| Front Page Top

#7 He does not deserve to be treated to storm trooper tactics in our own country.

So much for rationale discussion.

As far as service goes, it counts. However, I also remember that Benedict Arnold was the real victor at Saratoga. Does that make his later choices excusable?

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-10-28 14:07|| 2011-10-28 14:07|| Front Page Top

#8 every article notes his Iraq War service. They should also note his behavior since. Shot in the head with tear gas? Don't join a riot.

By the way - Get a nym and stick with it. Anonymous concern trolling doesn't work

Posted by Frank G 2011-10-28 14:12|| 2011-10-28 14:12|| Front Page Top

#9 The system is the one that supplies me with a name. I use whatever is given me at any given post. I could care less.

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 14:24|| 2011-10-28 14:24|| Front Page Top

#10 The police issue a lawful order to disperse which the mob resisted. So an officer fires an indirect, un-aimed, less than lethal tear gas round into the crowd. In that he was hit on the front of the head, he was still facing towards the police.

This means that he was still likely refusing a legal order issued by the police. He could just as likely received a blow from a police baton, had the police advanced in that circumstance, resulting in a similar injury.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-10-28 14:40|| 2011-10-28 14:40|| Front Page Top

#11 The kid got seven medals apparently while serving our country

Really? What did he get the medals for? And where did you get your information, Jeque Hupairong2828? We like being able to check sources here at Rantburg, which is why all the posted articles link to the originals.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-10-28 14:41|| 2011-10-28 14:41|| Front Page Top

#12 Surely you can Google, trailing wife?

Here's one, but when I saw it originally it was in some Marines publication.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/10/vet-injured-occupy-oakland-demonstration-spent-days-work-nights-protest

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 14:52|| 2011-10-28 14:52|| Front Page Top

#13 What if what the police were directed to do was wrong Anonymoose? (And in fact, the mayor of Oakland et al have admitted just that).

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 14:56|| 2011-10-28 14:56|| Front Page Top

#14 IMHO, the problem with these people is they want it both ways. To retain the unquestionable moral authority of having served honorably for a period of time, regardless of how fully they later repudiate the institution that gave them the opportunity, or of how repugnant their later actions are to the values they (may or may not have) temporarily adopted.

Not glad the dude got injured, but those whose service was truly heartfelt, honest, and honorable would never find themselves in such as situation.

Posted by RandomJD 2011-10-28 15:04|| 2011-10-28 15:04|| Front Page Top

#15 He also left the service after four years as a Lance Corporal. That's only one grade up from PFC.

Normally within a four-year stint one could expect to be at least three grades above Private (the least one can be upon completion of basic training), especially with two tours in a combat zone. The only reason one wouldn't be at least a full Corporal (or higher) in that timeframe, combined with the two Iraq tours and the 'extra credit' given for those, is if they screwed up pretty badly.

I do know that a small number of recruits make Lance Corporal before they graduate Boot Camp, although it takes quite a bit of effort.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2011-10-28 15:25|| 2011-10-28 15:25|| Front Page Top

#16 maybe the Olsen wasn't advanced with his peer group accounts for his hatred of the Marines.

and maybe the fact that he is inclined to 'hate' may have led to him not being advanced.

Posted by Lord Garth 2011-10-28 16:07|| 2011-10-28 16:07|| Front Page Top

#17 While the mayor of Oakland thinks that something bad happened, and she wishes something bad didn't happen, a mayor can only issue an order, she cannot direct how that order will be carried out, because she has no police training or subordinate command authority over the police.

"I only asked the chief to do one thing: to do it when it was the safest for both the police and the demonstrators." When pressed for more details, Quan said: "I don't know everything."

And this is exactly what a mayor *can* do. It is up to police, following the law, to carry out what she has directed them to do, as long as it is a lawful order, which by all appearances, this was.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-10-28 16:13|| 2011-10-28 16:13|| Front Page Top

#18 All sorts of things out there in the internet, Jeque Hupairong2828 , some of which is true. ;-) I hoped asking you would be a shortcut to more reliable information. Also, about the value of the medals, about which I know nothing, being completely non-military.

From your link:

Olsen had been helping to develop security applications for U.S. defense agencies, building on expertise gained while on active duty in Iraq, Garon said.

Olsen was awarded seven medals while serving in the U.S. Marine Corps, which he left as a lance corporal in November 2009 after serving for four years.

He went on two tours in Iraq, one in 2006-2007 and another in 2008, where he worked as a data network specialist. He was awarded seven medals, including the Navy-Marine Corps Achievement Medal, according to the Marine Corps.

I am grateful to those who serve or have served in our military, and not just from the selfish reason that were it not for those who served in the American and British armed forces during the second world war I would never have been born. But that does not change the fact that a few of those who put on the uniform are incorrigeable knuckleheads.

Mr. Olson, who according to the links embedded in the article Anonymoose posted wrote about his pride at not being a good Marine, had quite a go at freely speaking and assembling -- they've been there for a couple of weeks now, after all. It is time they gave someone else a turn to do the same.

It would be nice if the new people did not tolerate rabid antisemitism, and all the other nonsense video taped at the various OWS gatherings, but that,s just me.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-10-28 16:33|| 2011-10-28 16:33|| Front Page Top

#19 He went on two tours in Iraq, one in 2006-2007 and another in 2008, where he worked as a data network specialist. He was awarded seven medals, including the Navy-Marine Corps Achievement Medal, according to the Marine Corps.

-so he probably worked in the comm shop (S-6) of a Battalion or RCT. He received a NAM and was probably later reduced from NCO to Lance or was non-recommended for promotion. In either case - if your a comm/data Marine (one of the faster promoting MOS's in the Corps) did a couple tours and got a NAM - should've been at least a corporal at 4yrs and probably a Sgt at 5. He was probably a shit bird at the end or did something really dumb (DUI, drug pop or disrespect to a SNCO/officer) to not make Cpl before getting out.

I obviously wasn't at Oakland, so, who knows, my bet is that he rolled the dice and it came up snake-eyes.

Posted by Broadhead6 2011-10-28 16:48|| 2011-10-28 16:48|| Front Page Top

#20 Quick and dirty on medals. Those "in" can read them like Personnel Sheet. Here's a link to USMC medals and ribbons [which you can bet the MSM can't tell the difference between] in order of precedence. The upper and lower demarcation of medals is the National Defense Service Medal. You receive that as a freebee by making it out of basic in good standing during time of conflict, as like now. So basically something everyone gets. All the medals listed below that are for showing up someplace at sometime in which the medal is issued. That tells the story of where you've been in your career so far as much as anything particular you may have done. If you repeat an assignment to the same place, one does not get a second medal, but a 'device' which indicates how many times the event has occurred. Given we're dealing with sources of varying quality checks, someone may be counting subsequent awards as medals rather than as devices. Maybe not. However, there are several medals that could cover the same area of operation with differing periods.

Now those medals awarded above the NDSM are for specific performances of duty. Can't speak for the Marines, but in the Army there is a differentiation between combat and non-combat medals [or suppose to be]. For example if the performance was in combat the Bronze Star may be the medal to be utilized while for non-combat performance the Meritorious Service Medal would be more applicable.

Those 'in' can read the chest candy and fathom their meanings.

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-10-28 18:00|| 2011-10-28 18:00|| Front Page Top

#21 Maybe now he'll start up IHateProjectilesThatBounceOffMySkull.com...

Posted by tu3031 2011-10-28 18:55|| 2011-10-28 18:55|| Front Page Top

#22 Maybe now he'll start up IHateProjectilesThatBounceOffMySkull.com...

I almost feel bad for laughing at that. In once sense, this was a friendly fire accident.

Posted by SteveS 2011-10-28 19:08|| 2011-10-28 19:08|| Front Page Top

#23 As my DI used to say "There is always 10% that don't get the f@#king word"

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2011-10-28 20:15|| 2011-10-28 20:15|| Front Page Top

#24 Aftr wading through our beloved Occupy San Diego wasteland a couple times the last couple weeks, I'm ....unsympathetic. They try to clear the trash out (objects and people) to clean the place and these losers roll back in against orders for no camping, tents, etc.

They have no idea what they're protesting for, just "give me". Fuck em

Posted by Frank G 2011-10-28 21:03|| 2011-10-28 21:03|| Front Page Top

#25 point of info - police went in like they did because the protesters were throwing metal bars and chunks of concrete. Are you sure it was the police that put the blunt force trauma to the head of that shitbird druggie kicked out EX-marine that got himself into a riot.

Posted by OldSpook 2011-10-28 22:22|| 2011-10-28 22:22|| Front Page Top

#26 #9 - Laziness is no excuse. You are on notice. Expect the worst.

Posted by Frank G 2011-10-28 22:35|| 2011-10-28 22:35|| Front Page Top

#27 I laughed too. I just figured it was some guy who happened to be there who happened to get bonked while participating in a dangerous activity, that is go play paintball expect welts, if you will.

My flag goes up with the participation of security apps for the very thing he hates.

What it is, is an attempt to turn it into Pigs Target Infallable Patriot's Expressionisms, or as others' simply put looking for their Kent State Moment.

Storm Trooping, hardly, even by USA standards. Storm Trooping is when the department of education SWAT raids a house for loans, or that shitbird AZ sheriff's SWAT run, or the famouse SWAT raid of Elion Gonzalez. This is peace officers enforcing the peace and without them there would either be counter-protests or worse. They kept the peace and the discussion open, guy identified and kept with a group which were acting in an aggressive anti-order way.

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-10-28 23:11|| 2011-10-28 23:11|| Front Page Top

#28 And exactly what are you threatening Frank?

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 23:17|| 2011-10-28 23:17|| Front Page Top

#29 I think maybe you should put password protection up and a secret handshake and then the preferred Rantburgers wouldn't have to be annoyed by other people's opinions.

Then you could avoid looking at every poster's IP address and sharing it amongst yourselves if they don't share the correct thoughts.

Definitely not the funny site it used to be.

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 23:27|| 2011-10-28 23:27|| Front Page Top

#30 Oooooooo! Scared? Halloween's a couple days away. How about if I ridicule your "concern trolling"? and unwillingness to pick a nym and stick with it. I have had the same one, for about 10 years. As far as physical threats? Nice try. I'll just stick to responding to your half-truths and innuendo. Next?

Posted by Frank G 2011-10-28 23:29|| 2011-10-28 23:29|| Front Page Top

#31 Scared. Lol.

Posted by Jeque Hupairong2828 2011-10-28 23:32|| 2011-10-28 23:32|| Front Page Top

#32 Speaking as a vet, you don't want to get hit in the head with tear gas? Don't join a riot.

Cause meet effect.

Also called the "whaaaaaaa" factor and that is something the combat units really... really... really don't like. If you volunteer, buck up.

The kid agreed to the risks the second he joined a riot. This is an effect of his decision. 'nuff said.

Posted by DarthVader 2011-10-28 23:42|| 2011-10-28 23:42|| Front Page Top

#33 OK, me, I didn't start posting until the bullshit tornado coverage at Greensburg Kansas and visit until otherwise noted. I have found that a person must only be honest and back it up, why I only post here because, as it was explained so well, visited by those who have an active involvement in life.

From what I have gathered nobody is bashing the dude, but the hypocrasy of the OWE movement and/or its takeover by real political entities looking for an excuse, rather than his voluntary involvement in other groups who are frustrated to say the least with the situation.

Guy has apparently voluteered for this, not understanding the potential risk, well if you can't trust the mayor of Oakland who can you trust right?

Jokes, I'm here for the snark. I've got jokes.

Was that Saudi guy they heir apparent? No no, they said, "'erd a Parrot", he's just pining for the fjords.

(yes, going back to my room)

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-10-28 23:50|| 2011-10-28 23:50|| Front Page Top

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