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2008-10-21 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by tipper 2008-10-21 14:21|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ] Top

#1 Uhm...no.

Posted by remoteman 2008-10-21 15:11|| 2008-10-21 15:11|| Front Page Top

#2 Maybe. Palin is turning out crowds we haven't seen since Reagan. The polls are counting on Democrats being 10% more numerous than Republicans at the ballot box. That's a difference we haven't seen in a while, at least not since Reagan. I expect Republican turnout to reach record levels. It wouldn't surprise me if McCain won the election. I wouldn't count on it, but it's not a long shot at all despite the media's premature coronation of Obama.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-10-21 16:14|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-10-21 16:14|| Front Page Top

#3 Obama is raising a lot of money from small donors. I suspect, however, that most of these donations are unlawful payments either from foreigners or large donors that have been reprocessed to make them look like small-time domestic donors.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-10-21 16:17|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-10-21 16:17|| Front Page Top

#4 I agree ZF. It will be very interesting to see if and when the full story behind this election comes out. Regardless of the result, Obama's team did a masterful job on the nomination. Whether they can keep it going for the general will be a lose run.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-10-21 16:36|| 2008-10-21 16:36|| Front Page Top

#5 "Could 'Palin factor' save McCain?"

In a word: Yes.

In fact, it's the only chance McCain has to win. Without Palin, McCain gets his ass handed to him.

Conservatives are voting for Palin, against Obama. I know very people voting FOR Mac. I know alot of people voting FOR Sarah.

Indeed, people I drink coffee with pray Sarah will show Mac the correct path, lead him back "right" instead of Mac's desire to be liked by the MSM which causes him to lean "left".

Posted by MarkZ 2008-10-21 16:57|| 2008-10-21 16:57|| Front Page Top

#6 There's also the fact that Palin has gotten a lot of McCain-haters motivated to vote for him - people who weren't unduly fazed by the prospect of an Obama presidency. That is quite a feat. The turnout at McCain-Palin rallies is one indication of conservative fervor, but bloggers who viewed McCain as belonging in a spectrum ranging from RINO to Satan incarnate did a 180-degree flip because of Palin.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-10-21 16:57|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-10-21 16:57|| Front Page Top

#7 I have never, and would never vote for McCain for anything. I have certainly always planned to vote against Obama, but there are several NO!bama options.

That said, I have a Palin sign in my yard (home made, and which does not mention McCain), and I'll be casting my vote for the R ticket this year -- something I would not have done if Palin were not on the ticket.

So there you have one anecdotal account of the Palin factor. FWIW.

Posted by Iblis 2008-10-21 17:00|| 2008-10-21 17:00|| Front Page Top

#8 I almost want McCain to lose after seeing his performance on Letterman. When Letterman said he could put everything behind him, McCain nearly perfomed proskineses to him, bowing down and holding his hands together saying "oh thank you, thank you" like Letterman was some superpower. I wanted to puke and lost the last respect for him. I wish Palin was in the drivers seat.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2008-10-21 17:25|| 2008-10-21 17:25|| Front Page Top

#9 #7 I have never, and would never vote for McCain for anything. I have certainly always planned to vote against Obama, but there are several NO!bama options

I feel your pain, but exercising your right to vote for an alternative to McCain simply reinforces Obama's chances. Please give it some thought.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-10-21 17:28|| 2008-10-21 17:28|| Front Page Top

#10 Do NOT underestimate the Palin factor.

I had a VIP ticket to see Mac introduce Palin at the Nutter Center in Greene County (just outside Dayton, Ohio). Got there late due to accident on SR 35. By "late", I mean I arrived an hour before Palin took the stage. I couldn't get in.

Nutter Center holds 12,000 people seated. 15,000 SRO. The Center was full. And rockin'. The MSM did not show you the 5,000 people outside the Center who did not get in.

Saw Palin in Wilmington, Ohio. The place was rockin'. Don't go by what you see on the MSM. When I saw the clips of the Palin Rally on television I laughed. They ONLY showed parts of her speech where/when the crowd was at best, subdued. Palin ROCKED Wilimington.

Was in Westchester, Ohio last Friday. Saw Palin. Palin ROCKED the crowds.

I HAVE seen something like it but ONLY once before in my life. October, 1988. South Bend, Indiana. Friday night pep rally. The night before Notre Dame defeated Miami. Maybe I saw something like it on another Friday night in 1980 when the USA beat the USSR in hockey. But the bar was small. The FEELING was not. I get chills up my leg thinking of it, just like Chris Mattehews when he thinks of The One. Except my thoughts are pure whereas Chris wants to have Barry's baby. (Spit).

I've got a ticket to Hobart Arena in Miami County to see Palin this week. I know now to be there at least 3 hours before she is schedule to arrive or I won't see her.

Palin factor? You beat your ass, baby, you beat your ass.

Vote Palin. Against Obama.

We can still win this.

Posted by MarkZ 2008-10-21 17:50|| 2008-10-21 17:50|| Front Page Top

#11 FWIF:

Just got off the phone with someone who is well connected with Trunk politics in Montgomery County, Ohio. Montgomery County is a "Dem" county in the State of Ohio.

Four weeks ago a poll was taken in Montgomery County. Mac over Obama by 2 points.

On this past Sunday another poll was completed: Mac over Obama by 5 points.

My source tells me that as of today (Tuesday) Obama's "ground troops" are being shifted out of Ohio from Montgomery County as well as northeast Ohio to the State of Michigan.

Obama will continue to hit the airwaves in Ohio, but without ground troops. Obama has so much money at his disposal they don't know how to spend it, but will continue to spend it nonetheless.

(Hey Mac...how is that McCain-Feingold thing working?)

Draw your own conclusions. My source tells me they did not believe the poll from 4 weeks ago. Now they have a poll for Mac even stronger. and they see Obama's people leaving Ohio.

I report. You decide.

Posted by MarkZ 2008-10-21 18:37|| 2008-10-21 18:37|| Front Page Top

#12 ZF and Iblis are dead on. If it wasn't for Palin I'd have to be holding my nose to vote for McCain. He's orders of magnitude better than Obama but I've got a lot of problems with voting for him.

PALIN is what made me excited about seeing McCain win. I haven't seen a politician so inspiring since Ronald Reagan. Without Sarah Johnny Mac is down 20 points. ONLY the fact that she's his running mate has kept this race as close as it is.

It's clear that she's doing something very good, too, simply judging from the amount of unhinged Dem vitriol she's generating. The fact that McCain was smart enough to choose her as a running mate is the strongest piece of evidence I've seen that he's actually got the brains to be POTUS.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this race. The Dems might win but at this point I think we've still got a fighting chance. My estimate is that we'll see the largest turnout ever in an American election and that election day you'll be hearing about hundreds of places that ran out of ballots or had to extend hours to accommodate all the people who wanted to vote.

I think this election is going to be like the anti-amnesty campaign. Lots of people don't like and don't want Obama; they just don't want to catch all the flak for saying so publicly.

Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-10-21 19:17|| 2008-10-21 19:17|| Front Page Top

#13 I think the fact that the MSM - otherwise known as the PR Wing of the DemocRatic party - is trying to convince Americans that Obama has already won (so no need to bother yourself wasting time voting for McCain) says volumes about what the Dems' real polls are telling them.

My ass will be in a voting booth come election day, voting FOR Palin and AGAINST Nobama.

Y'all get yours there too. Early in the day if you can, to avoid the lines and the problems that will inevitably crop up ~~in Dem-controlled precincts where they think too many people might have voted for Palin~~.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-10-21 19:55|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-10-21 19:55|| Front Page Top

#14 My a** and Blondie's were already in the voting booth - Texas started early voting yesterday. Blondie swung around from 'anybody but Clinton' to firmly for McCain/Palin almost 100% becase of the vitriol that rained down on Sarah Palin after the first few days. That, according to my daughter, was just unseemly. It just pissed her off no end, seeing the Palin children dragged into the much. The last few weeks have put my daughter very much off the sort of Dems that the Obama camp seems to be made of.

Posted by Sgt. Mom">Sgt. Mom 2008-10-21 20:43|| http://www.celiahayes.com]">[http://www.celiahayes.com] 2008-10-21 20:43|| Front Page Top

#15 Mccain could've put lieberman on the ticket and I would still vote against obama - I personally hoped for a mccain defeat in the Repub primaries and still can't fathom how this rino made it in. I like Palin, do I have some questions about her experience - sure, I do, but none the less I think the lady is tough, has a good heart & will give the assholes in congress fits. I'd love to see her put palosi in her place.

Posted by Daffy Phash5086 aka Broadhead6 2008-10-21 21:36|| 2008-10-21 21:36|| Front Page Top

#16 It wouldn't surprise me if McCain won the election.

I believe that McCain will win the election. The polls are, and have been cooked. The constant bleating by the media and the presenting of all these cooked polls are nothing more than a psy-ops campaign.

I voted early today here in Texas, polls opened at 8AM, I was there at 7:30AM and there was a line already. BarryO and his campaign insiders are in a panic, their internal numbers show them in deep trouble.

Trouble they just keep compounding with things like:
* "...spread the wealth around".
* ACORN
* Attacks on Joe the Plumber.
* Attacks on Gov. Palin.
* Biden opening his BIG mouth!
* etc...

Also, don't forget the PUMA's, not much is heard about their activities by most conservative blog readers. However, they are well organized and going after Obambi with a vengeance.

I could be wrong (I doubt it!), but McCain has a much better than 50/50 chance. Stay calm, AND VOTE!

Posted by Bertie Ebbeaque1285 2008-10-21 22:43|| 2008-10-21 22:43|| Front Page Top

#17 Buddy of mine says, "you want Palin to succeed like you want the slipper to fit Cinderella". I guess that puts Peggy Noonan in the ugly stepsister camp.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2008-10-21 22:48|| 2008-10-21 22:48|| Front Page Top

#18 Saw a car today - one bumper sticker said "Pro-women / Anti-Palin" and the other was like a McCain/Palin sticker but said "Old Fart/Bimbo".

Ok so she's Pro-women but calls another woman 'Bimbo'..... I think we know who the bimbo is don't we?

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-10-21 23:19|| 2008-10-21 23:19|| Front Page Top

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