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2007-10-15 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by gorb 2007-10-15 04:05|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 I'm very worried for the future of science when the big lie of anthropogenic global warming is apparent to the majority.

Is a grant really worth the pollution to the image of science?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-10-15 08:08|| 2007-10-15 08:08|| Front Page Top

#2 it's not science, it's a religion for those who don't have one

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-15 08:15|| 2007-10-15 08:15|| Front Page Top

#3 I never thought I'd see the end of science in my lifetime. The scary part is the thousands of professional scientists choosing a quasi-religous ideology over the scientific method. The good news is that scientific scepticism is alive and well on the Internet.

Posted by phil_b 2007-10-15 08:44|| 2007-10-15 08:44|| Front Page Top

#4 Unfortunately, science (for the most part) has become dependent on grants. Most of the grants come from the uninformed, therefore you get out what goes in. Crap.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-10-15 08:56|| 2007-10-15 08:56|| Front Page Top

#5 One of the problems with the global warming hytseria is that the day teh lie is exposed (IMHO in less then two years) then it will be difficult to get mobilization/funding for real enviromental problms like the exhaustion of ocean resources.

Another one is that lesser growth translates in lesser resources for investigation: maltusian politics induced by the global warming hysteria mens that in the future we will have less money for investigation. Also we should be spending on investigation on thorium-fed nucler plants (thorium does not produce plutonium and thus such plants cannot be used for making nukes) and on cold-fusion. Instead we are throwing money away at dead ends like windfarms, bio-fuels and similar crap.

Humankind could end losing the recae against the clock and Gore and his complices will be responsible for it.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-10-15 10:55|| 2007-10-15 10:55|| Front Page Top

#6 Totally agree with you on the Thorium plants, which are also breeders. My understanding is that the Uranium proponents jiggered the numbers by including the Uranium dissolved in ocean water in the numbers, because Thorium doesn't dissolve as much. Actual recoverable reserves of thorium are much larger than Uranium reserves.

The only maker of a thorium fueled reactor was General Atomics, which went out of business after building a gas-moderated reactor in Colorado, which also was taken off-line when, I believe, their helium pumping fan broke down and they couldn't make a replacement.

Don't forget the Candu reactors, which have anti-proliferation measures of their own.

Posted by ptah">ptah 2007-10-15 11:04|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2007-10-15 11:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Gray is a top notch fellow on hurricane forecasting having founded the statistical-dynamic school on the subject.

However, he keeps making statements (e.g., anthropomorphic warming is zero) or making forecasts on climate (a cooling cycle is starting) based on some theory (or theories) about the ocean/atmosphere interaction. Unfortunately he hasn't published an article laying out his theory in detail nor has he released whatever calculations his forecasts are based on.

In his own way, Dr. Gray is as big a violator of science as Al Gore.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2007-10-15 11:04|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-10-15 11:04|| Front Page Top

#8 When scientists refuse to speak up because of fear of funding or political expediency they should not be surprised when science is hijacked by politics and we all take a step backwards.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-10-15 12:46|| 2007-10-15 12:46|| Front Page Top

#9 "Gore gets the cold shoulder"--it's one of those subtle esoteric effects of global warming that only the annointed can understand.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-10-15 12:59|| 2007-10-15 12:59|| Front Page Top

#10 The great irony in all of this is that Gore was V.P. when Kyoto was signed and he and Clinton were unable to convince a Democratically controlled Congress to pass the treaty. But its W's fault for agreeing with the Dems that the treaty was based on fiction less facts and would be crippling to our economy if the 3rd world (i.e India and China) were not included in the high level of first emitters. Hypocrisy rules and that is why you win the Nobel, the Congress and the admiration of the NYTs and Harry Reid.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2007-10-15 14:18|| 2007-10-15 14:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Didn't Dr. Gray get fired from the Hurrican sevice for speaking out against administration weather-related policies? Seem to remember other scientists in the gov't employ also being shown the door when they stepped on the holy grail......

Posted by USN, Ret. 2007-10-15 14:33|| 2007-10-15 14:33|| Front Page Top

#12 The great irony in all of this is that Gore was V.P. when Kyoto was signed and he and Clinton were unable to convince a Democratically controlled Congress to pass the treaty.

IMO, Bubba pushed the bill only because he knew it had a snowball's chance in Iraq of actually passing. Then he could say: Shucks, I tried.

Posted by xbalanke 2007-10-15 16:45|| 2007-10-15 16:45|| Front Page Top

#13 #11 - I read an interview with Gray some months ago. He wasn't shown the door, but his grant money went away - under Clinton - and who was his Vice President again?

So he retired.

Posted by Bobby 2007-10-15 17:09|| 2007-10-15 17:09|| Front Page Top

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