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From the Land of the Free to North American Union?

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Posted by SR-71 2006-10-13 08:48|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 From the Land of the Free to North American Union?

No, it's the New Anglian Confederation/

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-10-13 09:17|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-10-13 09:17|| Front Page Top

#2 Does this sound like a crazy conspiracy theory?

Uh, yeah, it does.

Posted by Mike 2006-10-13 10:04|| 2006-10-13 10:04|| Front Page Top

#3 It is a crazy conspiracy theory, but it is also what is going to happen in SoCal and the Bay Area over the next couple of decades. Having barbell communities of lots (relatively) of really, really rich, the vast, preponderant majority potentially permanently poor with few middle class is not typical of what has made the country successful. That is why Ahnuld failed in his effort to reduce public union control of Caliphornia. The populace there is now majority victim. It will become a bigger issue as these rapidly growing and populous areas of California become more and more different from the rest of America. I would not be surprised to see Caliphornia move to seceed in a couple of decades.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-13 10:19|| 2006-10-13 10:19|| Front Page Top

#4 This is great. Let's start burning all books written in English and get this party started.

Posted by Greaque Thinerong8160 2006-10-13 10:55|| 2006-10-13 10:55|| Front Page Top

#5 On the plus side, slowly migrating our way to a loose confederacy might have some benefits. Here are some points:

1) Unlike the rest of central and South America, Mexico's birthrate has dropped to about 2.1, which means we won't be facing a huge immigration problem much longer.

2) Unless Mexico improves, and radically, it faces a terrible and protracted civil war which would overflow in all sorts of ways into the US.

3) However, if Mexico does improve, it not only provides a lot of labor to our industry, but also a huge market for our products.

4) The US would utterly dominate both Canada and Mexico, both of whom would be little more than semi-autonomous US States.

5) Ironically, the US would probably get along better with Mexico than with French Canada, which might opt out of any confederacy.

6) While Spanish is generally the language of Mexico, more and more of the country is reverting to indigenous languages. For the purposes of business, however, English will in the course of decades, overwhelm them all as the common language.

Strategically, a North American bloc would dominate the EU, and would finally give the US an open door to the resources of South America.

So in addition to looking at it as an internationalist bureaucratic threat, possibly see it as an extrapolation to Manifest Destiny. This casts it in a different light.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-13 11:51|| 2006-10-13 11:51|| Front Page Top

#6 5) Ironically, the US would probably get along better with Mexico than with French Canada, which might opt out of any confederacy.

That's as may be, but French Canada won't opt out of anything, despite making very loud noises at frequent intervals. French Canada already demands massive inflows of money from the rest of the country because it isn't self supporting; I'm not aware that good restaurants and quaint Olde Worlde tourist attractions, however lovely, are the basis for healthy exports or a healthy home economy.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-13 12:08|| 2006-10-13 12:08|| Front Page Top

#7 Does this sound like a crazy conspiracy theory?

#2 "Uh, yeah, it does."

No. Not really. If there exists an ideology that a LOT of people subscribe to, and that ideology has as its stated goal the destruction of a competing belief system, are the folks that are working towards that goal engaged in a conspiracy?

Is it crazy? No more crazy than thinking a bunch of Arabs would fly planes into buildings and kill 3,000 people one Autumn morning.

BTW, the ideologies I was referring to are Communism/Socialism versus Capitalism. I don't think anyone here would dispute the fact that the left has been waging war against the West, and that our society has been seriously undermined by their activities.

We can all see the effects on our country as well. So, does it come as surprise that there might be a plan to bring about an America's super state? Is it beyond the pale? I don't think so. Powerful forces have been at work for a long time, grinding away at the fabric of our society, and I'd say they've made significant progress.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this.

Posted by NoBeards 2006-10-13 12:43|| 2006-10-13 12:43|| Front Page Top

#8 This is well on the way to happening. Both Ford and GM, if they survive, plan all their new factories in Mexico. Two huge super ports, which will surpass and possibly replace to a large extent the Long Beach port, are well along in construction in Baja. The privatized highway corridor being set up to flow from Texas north is being organized. Out of reach of US gov't. Essentailly, the large bankers and corporations are going to undermine jobs, pensions, and social security by replicating what the steel industry did. Leave the US. I'm stooopid, but the only thing I can't figure out is who do they think they'll sell to, once they've gutted the US ?

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-13 12:49|| 2006-10-13 12:49|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm stooopid, but the only thing I can't figure out is who do they think they'll sell to, once they've gutted the US?

Why, all those billions of Chinese and Indian peasants, of course! And Africans too.

Posted by NoBeards 2006-10-13 13:16|| 2006-10-13 13:16|| Front Page Top

#10 I have guns. Lots of guns. Lots of my friends have guns. Lots of guns. I'm waiting......

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-10-13 14:12|| 2006-10-13 14:12|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm for swallowing Canada. That would save a lot of good men from socialism. And give us a kick ass olympic hockey team.
But, the people have to vote on such expansions. None of this freakin new world order bullsheet.

Posted by wxjames 2006-10-13 14:43|| 2006-10-13 14:43|| Front Page Top

#12 I think they realized long ago that it would be impossible to defeat America militarily. You think that the problems in wazoo land are bad? Can you imagine if someone decided to invade the US? First, they'd have to get their troops here, then stage their equipment and then invade. It would be a non-stop blood-bath. For all of the talk of liberal moonbats - there aren't enough of them to float Air America. Libs like Hollywood stars and spoiled rich who are percieved as aiding our enemies would find themselves facing an angry populace and needing to flee from angry mobs. This is a very, very, big country and we are all heavily armed. You can nuke a city, but you then there would be retaliation. It would be next to impossible for any foreign country to conquer or hold the United States.

While they may be able to start a civil war here by an influx of immigrants hostile to our citizens - it would be impossible to get these immigrants on one page. Mexican loyalists joining with Islamists? Don't think so. Gangs would be completely unreliable as to which side they would fight. It's our turf, we have the home team advantage.

So their plan is to get control of the government and destroy it from within. We should all be concerned as to how close they have come to succeeding. Instead of fighting, they have used our own system against us and simply bought votes, politicians, judges, the MSM and more.

Should there be a fight, our liberal loonies will be the first to cower behind the working males with guns.

The idea that another culture could conquer America (in our lifetime) is as crazy as thinking that we could conquer China. The best they can hope for is a brutal, bloody war with body counts in the millions and a country that would be impossible for a conquering government to hold. It's just a fact jack.

The only question is are we going to take back our government through the ballot box, or let things degenerate into a bloody war. Get out and vote. And no matter how much you dislike the Republicans - vote for them now. Have you seen who is going to hold the congress and Senate if the Dems win. It's downright scary. We can start the heavy lifting after the election to impose term limits and defeating corrupt Repubs in the next election cycle.

Posted by anon 2006-10-13 14:43|| 2006-10-13 14:43|| Front Page Top

#13 I am thinking that perhaps it is time to think about Manifest Destiny part two.
In other words it is our destiny to unite the entire continent under our flag. Annex all the lands down to and including Panama and build the wall there. Once they are properly Americanized, give them statehood. There is plenty of room on our flag for more stars. ;-)

Posted by Dreamsmith">Dreamsmith 2006-10-13 17:01|| 2006-10-13 17:01|| Front Page Top

#14 Once they are properly Americanized

That would be the rub. Annex after they demonstrate they are Americanizing.

Look at SoCal. Are the Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal Americanizing themselves or Mexifying CoCal? I think the jury is still out.

Look at Puerto Rico. They are not going to Americanize enough, especially with all the tax breaks we have given them. They have no incentive to Americanize.

Too many too fast means they don't Americanize. Too few too slow means we can't expand. It's a balancing act.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-13 17:31|| 2006-10-13 17:31|| Front Page Top

#15 If the supply of importable oil drops by a certain amount, the US will probably fall apart due to economic crisis. All the guns & grit in the world will not keep the lights on and the diesel trucks running. Of many dangers the country faces, massive invasion ain't one of them (ignore for the moment the massive invasion currently taking place across the southern border). Our political establishment no longer considers themselves to be US citizens.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-10-13 17:34|| 2006-10-13 17:34|| Front Page Top

#16 Look, this has nothing to do with how well armed we are. I suspect most of us here could stand their ground on their own patch for a while. But, while we're standing around sucking our thumbs, this is being perpetrated behind our backs. Do you hear any public discussion of this ? Noooo. But, the infrastructure is being put in place right now. When the public finds out,it will be waaay too late. Why, in the name of logic, is defending the border being rejected by Bush and the money men ? Because they've already cut the deal. Why ? Going to move work to low wage, no benefit areas, ie. Mexico. Do we get anything ? Nothing beneficial from my viewpoint. But, do the money men get anything ? You betcha. Access to proven Pemex fields. Access to Canadian oil shale. The ability to move in and develop Mexico. As I said, I'm simple, I still don't get it.

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-13 18:20|| 2006-10-13 18:20|| Front Page Top

#17 look - our congress and senate is completely corrupt. They see themselves princes and no longer feel the need to be responsible to the people. Let's just get through this next election. The Democrats if given power will sell us out to foreign interests and give important positions to those who hate America and who would love nothing more than to break down and piss on everything that once made our society good. If the Dems take control, the damage will give the advantage to our enemies for at least four years.

At least the Republicans will be business as usual, only selling us out to lobbyists and corporations.

Once the election is over, we will have to clean house. Term limits, and a thorough scrubbing. These guys need to remember who is in charge.

Posted by anon 2006-10-13 20:21|| 2006-10-13 20:21|| Front Page Top

#18 Who is in charge? I am quite frustrated with our imperial government. We need constitutional term limits. The Founders never envisioned a permanent ruling class.

Posted by SR-71 2006-10-13 20:44|| 2006-10-13 20:44|| Front Page Top

#19 Besides North America + South America, the only LT rationale for "super-ports" would be, OOOOPPPSIES, the establishment of a trans-continental direct trade route over the ARTIC/NORTH POLE into RUSSIA = EURASIA. DECADENT AMERIKANSKI WARMONGERING IMPERIALIST CAPITALIST FASCIST MALE BRUTES TO NORTH POLE > "MELT, D *** YOU, MELT"!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-10-13 21:40|| 2006-10-13 21:40|| Front Page Top

#20 I get the Yukon, folks. I got first dibs, so keepa youah mitts off. And that includes Bonanza Creek and the slopes thereabove.

Posted by Alaska Paul, great great grandson of Emperor Norton">Alaska Paul, great great grandson of Emperor Norton 2006-10-13 22:02|| 2006-10-13 22:02|| Front Page Top

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