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2009-10-11 -Short Attention Span Theater-

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Posted by gorb 2009-10-11 01:17|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 During the last few decades of the 20th Century, our planet did warm quickly.

I think it didn't. The apparent warming resulted from smoke and pollutant reductions from clean air acts and the collapse of the Soviet Union increasing minimum temperatures due to increased early morning sunlight reaching the surface.

BTW, continous and timed based temperature measurements support this interpretation.

Posted by phil_b 2009-10-11 06:17|| 2009-10-11 06:17|| Front Page Top

#2 How much of the apparent heating is due to interesting placement of ground-based sensors? How does ground-based data compare to satellite data? How far back is the instrument-produced data comparable, before the instruments were less accurate than current? The cavemen weren't using mercury thermometers, after all, nor did Christopher Columbus. In other words, how much of the change versus historical trends is an artifact of more accurate measurement and instrument placement?

And yes, water vapour. Let's lay plastic wrap over the oceans and the larger lakes to prevent the evaporation that's been causing such trouble. That way we won't have to worry about increased snowfall leading to growing glaciers that would crowd us off the planet on the cooling side, as well. Win-win!

Posted by trailing wife 2009-10-11 08:24|| 2009-10-11 08:24|| Front Page Top

#3 But research conducted two years ago, and published by the Royal Society, seemed to rule out solar influences.

The research conducted by our intelligence community came up with a NIE that said Iran wasn't working towards the Bomb(tm). How can experts be wrong? /rhet question

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-10-11 09:10|| 2009-10-11 09:10|| Front Page Top

#4 What happened?

The Won is now in office, and is implementing phase 2 of the op plan.

Posted by Nguard 2009-10-11 09:49|| 2009-10-11 09:49|| Front Page Top

#5 The proponents of the agenda driven efforts at both the scientific and political level should be noted, and once the scheme collapses, they should be forced to endure an albatross about their individual necks for the remainder of their respective careers.

Perhaps the way to do this is to add an abbreviation to their name in the future, such as "MMGWA" (advocate).

This can be indicative of several things. That they reached faulty conclusions based on presumption instead of method, often out of their field; that they oppressed other scientists in support of a politically-driven agenda; and that they were less concerned with good science than funding for bad science.

Most of all it implies that they are either incompetent, irresponsible, or both.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-10-11 10:11|| 2009-10-11 10:11|| Front Page Top

#6 "In other words, how much of the change versus historical trends is an artifact of more accurate measurement and instrument placement?"

Most of it, tw.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-10-11 10:19|| 2009-10-11 10:19|| Front Page Top

#7 "they should be forced to endure an albatross about their individual necks for the remainder of their respective careers"

Didn't happen with Paul Erlich, 'moose. Ain't gonna happen here, either. :-(

Our so-called "news" organizations are filled with ignorant people who couldn't actually report themselves out of a wet paper bag.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-10-11 10:22|| 2009-10-11 10:22|| Front Page Top

#8 I can't speak for anyone else, however, the last couple of years here in western Pennsylvania seem (to me) to be colder than previous years.

Posted by WolfDog 2009-10-11 10:37|| 2009-10-11 10:37|| Front Page Top

#9 I don't know what happened to "global warming". All I know is that we got our first snow yesterday here in corn country. It didn't last long, true, but today it's only 35 at 11 am. Can't wait for winter.....bet it will be another unholy one like last year was.

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2009-10-11 12:00|| 2009-10-11 12:00|| Front Page Top

#10 When BS meets reality.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2009-10-11 12:07|| 2009-10-11 12:07|| Front Page Top

#11 No warming up here on the Canuckistan prairies. We've got lots of snow on the ground and my tired old bones are telling me that it's here to stay. . . . . . about three weeks early this year.

This year's effort has produced the heaviest snowfall in Winnipeg at this time of year since 1872. Time to get the snowshoes out.

Global Warming indeed!

Posted by Canuckistan sniper 2009-10-11 12:17|| 2009-10-11 12:17|| Front Page Top

#12 "Global Warming indeed!"

Actually, CS, the whole thing is a total misunderstanding due to a typo many years ago, and now the usual suspects are so invested in the myth they ~~won't~~ can't back down.

It's really supposed to be "Gerbil Worming." :-D

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-10-11 13:22|| 2009-10-11 13:22|| Front Page Top

#13 Barbara: I am always careful to call him Paul "R." Ehrlich, butterfly expert, so as to never, ever confuse him with that truly great man of science, Dr. Paul Ehrlich.

For me, confusing the two is almost painful, like confusing Trofim Lysenko with Charles Darwin.

Darwin, I might add, who at extreme old age, came out of retirement to present the highest award for science at the time to Dr. Paul Ehrlich, for developing the first effective treatment for syphilis, which at the time was ravaging much of the world, causing blindness, insanity and death.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-10-11 14:20|| 2009-10-11 14:20|| Front Page Top

#14 Good point, 'moose.

Though I wouldn't call the we're-all-gonna-die assh*le a butterfly expert - more a bullshit expert.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-10-11 18:11|| 2009-10-11 18:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Ummm, Brbara, it's obvious you never read the BOOK, "The Butterfly Effect" not the bullshit movie, the book was pretty good.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2009-10-11 22:47|| 2009-10-11 22:47|| Front Page Top

#16 Nope, RJ - can't say that I have.

Guess I could put it on my list of things to read when ~~I'm old and grey~~ I get a chance....

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-10-11 22:52|| 2009-10-11 22:52|| Front Page Top

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