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2005-10-10 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Seafarious 2005-10-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I write better code after a few doobs. Of course I am kidding.

Posted by NYer4wot 2005-10-10 00:26|| 2005-10-10 00:26|| Front Page Top

#2 "I had been totally honest about each and every misdeed in my past, including my drug use in South America and my occasional abuse of alcohol"

dittos...sorta.

I ~~have lied my ass off~~ had been totally honest about each and every misdeed in my past, including my drug use in ~~Hawaii, Mexico, Morocco, Europe, Asia, South America, North America, Space Shuttle~~ and my occasional abuse of alcohol. *ahem*..and where do I get an application.

Posted by Elmeng Thaviter2159 2005-10-10 00:36|| 2005-10-10 00:36|| Front Page Top

#3 Anybody got that Whizinator I lent out last week?

Posted by Captain America 2005-10-10 01:31|| 2005-10-10 01:31|| Front Page Top

#4 Hey, it's much more important that we hire people smart enough to lie about their youthful mistakes than it is to hire those who are honest enough to acknowledge them.

Posted by 2b 2005-10-10 07:34|| 2005-10-10 07:34|| Front Page Top

#5 ...Somewhere, J. Edgar Hoover weeps...

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-10-10 08:45|| 2005-10-10 08:45|| Front Page Top

#6 I write better code after a few doobs. Of course I am kidding.

I write in code after one too.

Posted by Shipman 2005-10-10 09:33|| 2005-10-10 09:33|| Front Page Top

#7 Also, the new plan would continue to ban current drug use. Current rules prohibit the FBI from hiring anyone who used marijuana within the past three years or more than 15 times ever.

Good Heavens, what kid of braindead BS is this? I mean, who counts their usage of drugs??? And it's very likely that someone that has smoked weed has done so more than fifteen times. When I smoked it in high school, I know for a fact it was more than that.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-10-10 11:29|| 2005-10-10 11:29|| Front Page Top

#8 I smoked weed only once but didn't inhale, so I'm OK.

Posted by SwissTex 2005-10-10 11:41|| 2005-10-10 11:41|| Front Page Top

#9 So, like 14 times in each alternate universe is cool. Do they have any rules about the weed being soaked in liquid O? How about layered with O tarball chunks. Or hash... Or peyote...
I'm thinking they really don't know dick about dope... Or people, for that matter. I know straights, never did anything in their lives and sport degrees and such, yet are totally fucked up, worthless, untrustworthy scumbags. And dopers upon a time, who design unbelievably sophisticated microcircuits, can be trusted with the Nuke Football, and have more honor in a single cell than the entire mass of a Mass Senator.

It's an individual thingy, ABC cookbooks rules are for simpletons.

Posted by .com 2005-10-10 12:02|| 2005-10-10 12:02|| Front Page Top

#10 "No, ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor we're aware of..."

/Tommy Lee Jones

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-10-10 12:20|| 2005-10-10 12:20|| Front Page Top

#11 "the entire mass of a Mass Senator"

Contestant: "I'll take Liberal Physics for $200, Alex."
Alex: "The answer is: a black hole that bends truth rather than light."
Contestant: "What is a Mass Senator?"
Alex: "CORRECT!"

Posted by Astro Jeopardy 2005-10-10 12:51|| 2005-10-10 12:51|| Front Page Top

#12 LOL, PD. I've always held that one of the main we reasons we hosed 9-11 is that the hiring rules for the FBI and CIA forced them to hire essentially un-clever, un-street smart people. This in turn created a culture that was obsessively rules oriented (I can't circumvent the "wall" because it would be wrong!) and uncreative (let's face it, the guys with the broad shoulders, jutting jaws, and piercing eyes, never had to scheme to get anything). The guys that I knew that went into the FBI after military service were grade-A individuals, but had never had a run-in with a street gang, or knew what a prison tattoo looked like, or what a drug transaction looked like. The were All-American, straight-arrow, never did a bad thing in their lives kinds of dudes. To say that they might have a hard time understanding the mindset of the enemy is not an understatement. It was widely rumored that besides ex-military types, the FBI and CIA were recruiting Mormons because they were among the few demographic groups that could reliably pass the screens. (Although it seems that they were also recruiting guys who had a thing for middle-aged Chinese broads.)

The only way that I know to fix this sort of cultural dead end is to start over. Find a Wild Bill Donvan type of guy and let him recruit his own people. Ease the FBI out of the domestic counter-intel business as the new organization starts to show some success.

Able Danger seems to be precisely this sort of effort. It was staffed by Reservists instead of lifers. It was a conscious attempt to break through the oldthink of the existing intel organizations. It did well until it came to the attention of the Clintonista Tranzi lawyers, who promptly shut it down. There seems to have been a attempt by Rumsfeld to create such an organization in the Pentagon, but he was foiled when established interests discovered its existence and forced the resignation of its chief for alleged unprofessionalism.

Posted by 11A5S 2005-10-10 13:01|| 2005-10-10 13:01|| Front Page Top

#13 "Although it seems that they were also recruiting guys who had a thing for middle-aged Chinese broads."

LOL! I know the Mormons, having "been" one from 12-16 and even being dragged from Taxes (intentional) to Newtah at 14. They are good folks, but straight they be. There is a fair Asian population in MormonLand - which may be part of that accurate, though puzzling fact, heh. I dated a Japanese girl who was 1st gen American, not unusual there.

Excellent comments...

I think it takes people who are self-directed, but respect command (not demand) authority, have (had) strong curiosity, got it satisfied and realized it led nowhere, so they dumped it and kept looking for personal "answers". What are the questions? Lol - utterly subjective, heh.

So turf wars killed Rummy's attempt? Sheesh - he'll have to go outside the loop then, if he wants something of that nature and he's not willing to wade into the battle and kick a lot of narrow ass. I wouldn't survive 10 minutes in the Pentagon, given the BS to results ratio it seems exists there. We used to say the only officer you could really trust was a Major - who had been passed over at least once for light Col. See few reasons to challenge that pearl of wisdom. Exceptions, such as LTC Kurilla exist, of course, but -> I <- never met one... and that includes the 3 ex-Generals I came to know through a particular job. The One Star was the best of the three, lol. Sigh.

Posted by .com 2005-10-10 13:22|| 2005-10-10 13:22|| Front Page Top

#14 I get it now. This is why there has been such a shortage of intelligence agents and border patrol! It's the same reason a draft would no longer work. No one qualifies.

Posted by Danielle 2005-10-10 14:08|| 2005-10-10 14:08|| Front Page Top

#15 LOL AstroJep!

Posted by Shipman 2005-10-10 15:20|| 2005-10-10 15:20|| Front Page Top

#16 Thanks, I might need a job if Hillary doesn't get voted in in '08. After all, I didn't inhale, right?

William Jefferson Clinton

Posted by Captain America 2005-10-10 16:56|| 2005-10-10 16:56|| Front Page Top

#17 What dot com said! (From painful first-hand experience.)

Posted by jolly roger 2005-10-10 17:02|| 2005-10-10 17:02|| Front Page Top

#18 Test

Posted by 11A5S 2005-10-10 17:50|| 2005-10-10 17:50|| Front Page Top

#19 I completely agree with .com about the need for those hunting bad people to have had some experience on the wild side of life. No doubt I would fit the desired FBI profile -- except for the broad shoulders bit (I literally only inhaled the one time, but it made me cough). But I was walking around downtown once with my formerly wild brother, and would have walked right into the middle of a drug deal if he hadn't shushed me and led me away. I never saw anything because I didn't know what to look for.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-10-10 18:34|| 2005-10-10 18:34|| Front Page Top

#20 Hey .com. I tried to reply about 20 times and kept getting sent to Roadside America, after many attempts to ensure that I wasn't using language that might offend even the most delicate among us. Sheesh.

Posted by 11A5S 2005-10-10 18:50|| 2005-10-10 18:50|| Front Page Top

#21 Random drug testing? No problem, I've never tried random. Heard it was the shit, though.

Posted by asedwich">asedwich 2005-10-10 21:02|| 2005-10-10 21:02|| Front Page Top

#22 11A5S - It's Fred's new "I know what you're thinking - don't do it!" filter... Lol - I dunno, bro, what that is about. Mebbe there's a Mod with an itchy trigger finger...

Posted by .com 2005-10-10 23:44|| 2005-10-10 23:44|| Front Page Top

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