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2014-10-04 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
CDC issues Ebola guidance to undertakers.
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Posted by Besoeker 2014-10-04 06:15|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 Who says they'll be the last ones standing?

Just in case I decide to panic. Later.
Posted by Bobby 2014-10-04 09:22||   2014-10-04 09:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Mass cremation graves are in the latter stages of the zombie Apocalypse. Even the CDC has watched those movies.
Posted by Procopius2k 2014-10-04 09:56||   2014-10-04 09:56|| Front Page Top

#3 The Governor has it about right.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-10-04 10:14||   2014-10-04 10:14|| Front Page Top

#4 Mass cremation graves are in the latter stages of the zombie Apocalypse.

Perhaps if we start with individual cremation along with the dangerous medical waste produced by that body while it was dying -- significantly reducing the number of contacts that body has with the outside world -- we won't get to the zombie apocalypse.
Posted by trailing wife 2014-10-04 13:40||   2014-10-04 13:40|| Front Page Top

#5 I have a question for those who may know.

What is the amount of virus is necessary for the transmission?

As little as a fly's footprint to an obvious soaking?
Posted by swksvolFF 2014-10-04 13:54||   2014-10-04 13:54|| Front Page Top

#6 with the dangerous medical waste The gubmint & it's self-contradictory regulations has made it illegal to moved that stuff, I guess it will have to be burned at the spot it's created. So that graphic in a previous comment may come true after all.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-04 14:57||   2014-10-04 14:57|| Front Page Top

#7 Our "Top Men" have decided:
The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued an emergency special permit to a Lake Forest, Ill.-based company to transport large quantities of Ebola-contaminated waste for disposal.

The permit issued Friday allows Stericycle Inc. to remove waste material taken not only from the hospital where Thomas Eric Duncan is receiving treatment, but also from the apartment from which he was taken ill.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-04 15:11||   2014-10-04 15:11|| Front Page Top

#8 What is the amount of virus is necessary for the transmission?

Experiments suggest as few as 10 virions (little individual virus guys).
Posted by SteveS 2014-10-04 15:30||   2014-10-04 15:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Experiments suggest as few as 10 virions (little individual virus guys).

As I understand, and correct if wrong, because the info I'm receiving is from people who if they told me my black shoes were black, I'd look down to double-check.

Can't get through skin, but through cuts, mukus membranes, eyes (?), mouth.

So at 10 we are talking inhaling a sneeze?
Posted by swksvolFF 2014-10-04 16:13||   2014-10-04 16:13|| Front Page Top

#10 Actually, there's some question about the skin. But, yeah, mucous membranes are the primary risks.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2014-10-04 16:24||   2014-10-04 16:24|| Front Page Top

#11 What kind of question, like it could get through without cuts?

If we are doing mucus membranes, I guess that includes eyes? Ears?
Posted by swksvolFF 2014-10-04 16:30||   2014-10-04 16:30|| Front Page Top

#12 I've read that 1 to 5 virus particles is all it takes. Also that it likes to enter through eyes, and can also enter through lungs (as evidenced by lung damage observed in necropsied monkeys).

If I had to be in contact with patients or corpses, I'd operate on the assumption that it enters through skin, since microscopic cuts or breaks we're not aware of may well be present.
Posted by RandomJD 2014-10-04 16:59||   2014-10-04 16:59|| Front Page Top

#13 I've read that 1 to 5 virus particles is all it takes

Since they did not experiment, these are estimates.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-10-04 17:04||   2014-10-04 17:04|| Front Page Top

#14 The 1-5 figure is actually from interviews with USAMRIID scientists who worked with ebola in level 4 labs. They observed it in vitro and in vivo, and had accidents.

Richard Preston, The Hot Zone. I don't know how much artistic license he took, but the interviews sounded authentic to me.
Posted by RandomJD 2014-10-04 17:11||   2014-10-04 17:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Random: don't assume it enters through the lungs just because the monkeys developed lung damage. Overwhelming infection and multi-organ system failure leads to adult respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and diffuse alveolar damage (DAD), which will whack the lungs without any 'direct' damage. I'd need to know the histologic pattern of the damage in the monkey lungs.
Posted by Steve White 2014-10-04 18:10||   2014-10-04 18:10|| Front Page Top

#16 I understand symptoms begin around day 20, apparently flu-like at first?

Do we know at what point a person is contagious, or is it that a person just becomes more and more contagious after the virus sets?

I understand all bodily fluids - including tears, saliva, urine, feces, pus - will contain the virus?

I had heard a mortality rate of 50% in Africa - and I don't believe a damn thing coming out of there - so other than feeding and hydrating the patient as best as possible, just have to let the virus run its course?
Posted by swksvolFF 2014-10-04 18:41||   2014-10-04 18:41|| Front Page Top

#17 If you are ever in a situation where ebola (or any virus) is a risk, wear a mask AND protective eyewear. This prevents you touching your mucous membranes, which people do unconciously 100s of times a day.
Posted by phil_b 2014-10-04 18:44||   2014-10-04 18:44|| Front Page Top

#18 Perhaps if we start with individual cremation along with the dangerous medical waste produced by that body while it was dying

Precremation suggested.
Posted by KBK 2014-10-04 19:30||   2014-10-04 19:30|| Front Page Top

#19 KBK can we start that in DC?

I see what everyone is saying but the reactions of the so called experts has my skeptical system on high alert.

As Insty says I'll believe it's a problem when those that say it's a problem ACT like it's a problem.

If it's really this horrible and spreads this easily then.......WTF are they doing?!!?!????!!??
Posted by AlanC 2014-10-04 19:43||   2014-10-04 19:43|| Front Page Top

#20 Steve White: I'm not assuming anything. Again, from The Hot Zone, it's what CDC and USAMRIID docs concluded after they necropsied a bunch of monkeys and examined the histology.

The monkeys had been in cages in the same room with another group of monkeys which had been deliberately injected with Ebola. But the cages were on opposite sides of the room and too far apart for any physical contact. The only route of infection they could come up with was that cleaning the cages with a hose generated aerosols that drifted across to the healthy ones.

These aren't my ideas - I'm just repeating what's in the book.
Posted by RandomJD 2014-10-04 19:49||   2014-10-04 19:49|| Front Page Top

#21 Dallas News: Pressure mounts for travel ban from West African nations
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418  2014-10-04 20:00||   2014-10-04 20:00|| Front Page Top

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