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2013-10-04 -Lurid Crime Tales-

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Posted by Fred 2013-10-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 A woman believed to be a dental hygienist from Stamford, Conn., was shot dead by police today after allegedly attempting to ram the White House gates and leading authorities on a high-speed chase to the U.S. Capitol, officials said.

The related gunfire sent senators and staffers scrambling inside the Capitol, which was put under lockdown.

Authorities believed the dead suspect was Miriam Carey, 34, according to a spokesman for Carey's family. Authorities said she had a history of mental health issues, and her mother told ABC News she suffered from post-partum depression.

Posted by Au Auric 2013-10-04 00:16|| 2013-10-04 00:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Move along. Nothing to see here.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-10-04 01:16|| 2013-10-04 01:16|| Front Page Top

#3 Black woman, Obama's fucked, "HOW DARE HE".

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-10-04 01:49|| 2013-10-04 01:49|| Front Page Top

#4 Black woman, Obama's fucked, "HOW DARE HE".

Ha, ha! A jolly good joke, old chap.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-10-04 02:05|| 2013-10-04 02:05|| Front Page Top

#5 WAA WAA. Let's move Our nations "leaders" to Detroit. One car chase and the world looks at this piece of shit DC as some kind of anomaly. Walk 9 blocks up from the Capitol building.
Self aggrandizing make hey out of nothing Twerks.

Posted by newc 2013-10-04 02:30|| 2013-10-04 02:30|| Front Page Top

#6 I almost drove off the road last night laughing at the irony, listening to the radio justifying the use of deadly force - "The police could have been injured by her actions so they had a right to defend themselves."

But not you and me, Newshound?

Posted by Bobby 2013-10-04 06:23|| 2013-10-04 06:23|| Front Page Top

#7 Apparently, the only shots fired were by the various and overlapping government personnel. Not that anyone in the WH has any grasp of the implications, but their theater may soon blow up in their face like Lexington Common. Nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-10-04 08:11|| 2013-10-04 08:11|| Front Page Top

#8 The woman had mental illness issues. She acted improperly/irrationally and somewhat dangerously, and I can understand the need for police response. Main criticism is that if she really had been seriously dangerous their marksmanship was inadequate to have prevented catastrophe. I wonder if jihadis are watching and taking notes.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-10-04 08:22|| 2013-10-04 08:22|| Front Page Top

#9 their marksmanship was inadequate

As most reports of police shootings seem to indicate. Too much time in departments playing SWAT soldier to claim an overdue library book or stop unpasteurized milk leaving a farm. These people should be under the Barney Fife ammo restriction until they get real weapons control training.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-10-04 08:44|| 2013-10-04 08:44|| Front Page Top

#10 Sort of adds some perspective to the Land Rover fella in NYC who tried to escape the biker gang and defend his family.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-10-04 09:50|| 2013-10-04 09:50|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm pretty much at the "one less Obama voter" stage on this. The greater implications continue to elude.

Posted by Iblis 2013-10-04 10:04|| 2013-10-04 10:04|| Front Page Top

#12 They are always taking notes and scheming.

I'm sure there is enough video to do a 3-D real time review with bullet cam, but I have not seen it and reserve judgement, so don't know if she was acting the loon or trying to make a scene, still it all happened in two No Funny Stuff Zones especially in the age of the suicide bomber.

The national peoples' republic of radio is a joke to offer any explanation without the basic facts; parrots to a pirate captain.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-10-04 10:10|| 2013-10-04 10:10|| Front Page Top

#13 Navy Yard shooter, road-raging NYC Bikers, California Trooper shooter, Connecticut dental hygienist loon, Whatever happened to caucasian loonie shooters and whacko's ?

Posted by Besoeker 2013-10-04 10:21|| 2013-10-04 10:21|| Front Page Top

#14 Gee, why does the idea of trigger happy, cowardly cops shooting an unarmed black woman with mental problems sound so common place?

This sounds like a scene from the movie "V".

If those cops are so scared of women in cars they should be relocated to Saudi Arabia.

Posted by AlanC 2013-10-04 11:22|| 2013-10-04 11:22|| Front Page Top

#15 One car chase and the world looks at this piece of shit DC as some kind of anomaly.

To be fair:

1. It follows on the heels of the Navy Yard shootings,

2. Security situation in D.C. is a bit tense right now, whether you you want to believe that or not.

But hey - who am I to stand in the way of a mindless rant?

so don't know if she was acting the loon or trying to make a scene

Reports this morning are that the deceased was briefly institutionalized for mental health issues, and that she drove down from Stamford to D.C. that day. That's about a 5-6 hour drive, btw.

Whatever happened to caucasian loonie shooters and whacko's ?

Haven't shown up, much to the MSM's disappointment.

Posted by Pappy 2013-10-04 11:38|| 2013-10-04 11:38|| Front Page Top

#16 ..but when he does, it'll be 24/7 coverage for most of a week, extra days if they're able to tie him no matter how indirect or coincidence to their favorite whipping boys.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-10-04 11:47|| 2013-10-04 11:47|| Front Page Top

#17 so don't know if she was acting the loon or trying to make a scene

I have seen some raw video of only a few moments, no real context but that part looked like panic and evasion rather than deliberate action - at that moment.

Still, a No Funny Stuff Zone, especially after Navy Yard. I would think one of the scenarios they run is a car bomb, so at the very worst I currently am at I understand. Its not like a person call call an efn time out and do twenty questions especially when a car runs into a White House security device and then speeds off and attempts to ellude the cops.

Whatever happened to caucasian loonie shooters and whacko's ?

Odds on sharpton typing up the poh-lease gunning down ill black mother story?

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-10-04 12:30|| 2013-10-04 12:30|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm pretty much at the "one less Obama voter" stage on this.... Posted by Iblis

I'm pretty sure she will be voting Democrat for many, many years to come.

Posted by CrazyFool 2013-10-04 12:43|| 2013-10-04 12:43|| Front Page Top

#19 I would think one of the scenarios they run is a car bomb, so at the very worst I currently am at I understand

Sorry swksvolFF, can't agree with this as an excuse for a trigger happy cop. This is becoming all to prevalent that cops get a free pass 'cause someone might be a scary terrorist. Anyone could be a splodeydope or driving a car bomb and a panic attack by a cop should not be excusable in any case.

This is all of a piece with the militarization of the police which I find very troubling. Without going all Godwin there's precedent for concern.

Posted by AlanC 2013-10-04 13:22|| 2013-10-04 13:22|| Front Page Top

#20 CrazyFool:

Brilliant. Absolutely right.

Posted by Iblis 2013-10-04 14:18|| 2013-10-04 14:18|| Front Page Top

#21 All I'm saying is wait a bit before throwing lettuce at a team designated to help protect the seat of government of the United States.

Because we all know how accurate the newsworks are on this kind of reporting. Just say that there were 24 or so shots fired - were they all from handgun or AR-15 shotguns? Is that all from one officer, or four officers firing three times each? Was the vehicle moving at the time? Had she given up and then shot down or was she being erratic and dangerous? They keep showing this picture of a smashed police cruiser - is there public video out which would show if the cop ran into her or if she used her vehicle as a ram? The woman initiated this scenario not the police, unlike say a raid or sting.

The militarization of the police is a concern, especially how giving boys toys they will want to play with them.

If there is a site where the video and timeline has been collected and can be studied I would take a look. If this is one officer going through three magazines at a stopped vehicle, year thats bull, but three officers attempting to shoot out tires and/or driver of an evassive fast moving vehicle then 24 rounds, if that is correct, would make sense.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-10-04 14:24|| 2013-10-04 14:24|| Front Page Top

#22 This is not as clear a case of overuse of force as say flash-banging grandpa in his attic, or mistaking two latinas for a black man.

As for our techie working in and office for a think tank in DC screaming Air is Filled with Gunsmoke!...I get the feeling he does not know what that statement really means.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-10-04 14:37|| 2013-10-04 14:37|| Front Page Top

#23 swksvolFF - there was a video clip out yesterday, looked like maybe from an i-phone, where you saw the car back away from the barricade and start to drive away. At that point you could hear what sounded like about a magazine of 9 mm shots that seemed to have no effect. The video showed the car moving at a high speed (for the environment - maybe 30 mph)around the area for a while. Did not hear other gunshots. Do not know if the woman died from one of the initial shots eventually having effect or if they shot later.
Concur with you that this was not an obvious overuse of force under the circumstances (may have been overuse but certainly not obviously so.)

Posted by Glenmore 2013-10-04 15:07|| 2013-10-04 15:07|| Front Page Top

#24 From the short video clip I saw this morning, she refused to stop. They had her stopped but then she put it into reverse and tried to get away again. So they shot her. It looked understandable to me. But then, maybe she should have been wearing a tin foil hat.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-10-04 15:26|| 2013-10-04 15:26|| Front Page Top

#25

Posted by Jineter Crise7847 2013-10-04 16:37|| 2013-10-04 16:37|| Front Page Top

#26 They keep showing this picture of a smashed police cruiser - is there public video out which would show if the cop ran into her or if she used her vehicle as a ram?

The police car skidded into a security bollard. No other vehicle involved.

Posted by Pappy 2013-10-04 16:53|| 2013-10-04 16:53|| Front Page Top

#27 an Infiniti is not an uparmored HumV or M-RAP. The police should be capable of stopping such a vehicle without wild firing if the driver is NOT armed and shooting back.

I'm all for the police stopping bad-guys but there have been all too many over-reactions by these supposed civil servants and the excuse that she could have been a terrorist with a car bomb is right up there with planting the evidence.

Posted by AlanC 2013-10-04 17:16|| 2013-10-04 17:16|| Front Page Top

#28 Also interesting to know would be the SOPs and Training Scenarios & Guidelines; considering the location the police may be required to disable any erratic and unresponsive driver/vehicle ASAP.

The police car skidded into a security bollard. No other vehicle involved.
Ooopsies.

That's why I don't just jump on the newsies when these things happen - too much misleading, falsehoods, and deliberate lying. I figure a report will be issued tomorrow outlining the event. Maybe even right after the half of the second game.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-10-04 18:50|| 2013-10-04 18:50|| Front Page Top

#29 swksvolFF,

I'll certainly agree with you on waiting on the REAL facts. I guess my big change of attitude is that I used to have a default that the cops were right; now my default is that the police state is wrong until proven otherwise.

Posted by AlanC 2013-10-04 18:59|| 2013-10-04 18:59|| Front Page Top

#30 "The car got boxed in and that's when I saw an officer of some kind draw his weapon and fire shots into the car."

That's murder, The cop should testify WHO AUTHORIZED IT.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-10-04 19:04|| 2013-10-04 19:04|| Front Page Top

#31 Mark my words (he intoned ominously), she'll turn out to have been an avid fan of that "Scandal" program who couldn't handle the buildup for the season premiere last night. Or maybe she got an early look at it and the three-way in the secret bunker put her over the edge. Kinda shaky today, myself, but I'm not gonna say it. Hysterical! Okay, I said it. Yikes.

Posted by Harcourt Hitler3148 2013-10-04 20:29|| 2013-10-04 20:29|| Front Page Top

#32 AlanC,
I'm not much different. This would be abnormal for me just on account of its location and the lady trying to get away when it was past obvious she was in trouble. If she was having a bad day, it was the wrong place and wrong time, with the Navy Yard and a shooter in the Capital Building not so long ago.

But you are right, SWAT teams to do water samples, Education Department raids, Youth Brigades with armored vehicles, and you know that if war equipment is handed out to law enforcement, they are going to want to use it.

Even SWAT teams were a nice tool to have in the box, but now Everybody gotta have at least two. So then we have the civilianization in charter and behavior of the military, and the militization of the police. Batteries are going in backwards and its not going to work.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-10-04 21:25|| 2013-10-04 21:25|| Front Page Top

#33 I'm surprised the government hasn't shamelessly uses the situation to tighten gun control laws.

Posted by gorb 2013-10-04 22:28|| 2013-10-04 22:28|| Front Page Top

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