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2011-10-03 Home Front: Culture Wars

Fast and Furious Gun scandal still growing

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Posted by DarthVader 2011-10-03 10:45|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 One possibly lesser question that may have NOT been asked; what monies and budgets were used to buy these weapons, and where has the money from these cross-border guns sales gone? Where is the accountability.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-10-03 12:11|| 2011-10-03 12:11|| Front Page Top

And proof from the WH itself that the ATF is lying its ass off.

This map, revealed in the White House document dump I reported about earlier today,shows the path of guns sent by ATF into Mexico from Arizona. Former Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Office has said over and over again under oath, that at no point didn't ATF allow guns to be trafficked into Mexico.

July 26, 2011:

At no time in our strategy was it to allow guns to be taken to Mexico, Newell said, adding that at no time did his agency allow guns to walk.

Posted by DarthVader 2011-10-03 12:12|| 2011-10-03 12:12|| Front Page Top

#3 with two, possibly three dead agents and more than 200 dead Mexicans to show for an operation that never had the slightest chance of success.

Seems like there is a lot of "splainin" to do that has not been forthcoming. Seems like there is a lot of criminal activity going on by those sworn to uphold the Constitution and the law. I guess this is one of those nuanced things where you have to break the law to uphold the law? But I fail to even see the upholding of the law part of this--not even a faint hint.

anything named Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ought to be a convenience store instead of an arm of the federal government

Convenience store? Convenient for whom? The cartels and convicted felons. The administration?

A convicted drug felon was allowed to buy 40 AK-47-type rifles, which eventually wound up in Texas.

Thought there was a 10 year jail term for knowingly selling firearms to convicted felons?

Posted by JohnQC 2011-10-03 12:29|| 2011-10-03 12:29|| Front Page Top

#4 Saw an article a few days ago saying there was a while paper floating around DOJ proposing eliminating AFT and assigning legislative-mandated duties to DEA & FBI. Sounds like a firewall to protect Holder & Zero.

Posted by Mercutio 2011-10-03 13:02|| 2011-10-03 13:02|| Front Page Top

#5 WHITE paper, dammit

Posted by Mercutio 2011-10-03 13:03|| 2011-10-03 13:03|| Front Page Top

#6 And this doesn't include the weapons that went to MS-13 in Honduras out of South Florida and Texas....http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/rep-bilirakis-r-fl-demands-answers-from-attorney-general-holder-on-project-castaway/

Posted by Lumpy Elmoluck5091 2011-10-03 15:00|| 2011-10-03 15:00|| Front Page Top

#7 This one has been in the "rumor mill" a few days. Now confirmed.

Sonora, Mexico, raising the possibility of a second "gunwalking" program, this one called "Wide Receiver."

Posted by Sherry 2011-10-03 15:19|| 2011-10-03 15:19|| Front Page Top

#8 From the PPT, my assessment is the target may be a bit more than simply drug cartels. This is getting quite serious.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-10-03 17:02|| 2011-10-03 17:02|| Front Page Top

#9 This is starting to smell more and more like the Bay of Pigs: a program started by a Republican with certain VERY specific requirements or it was to be cancelled; taken over by a Democrat and all of the stops and protections removed, and then gone ahead with without any of the redline conditions being paid attention; and it turns into an utter fiasco with hundreds of dead, and a political disaster for the US. Eisenhower's Bay of Pigs plan specifically stated that the only way to send in the Cubans was under American air cover so that they would have a chance at success. Guess what Kennedy killed, the air cover.
Bush's admin started a program that tracked a few limited straw man sales to learn the identities of the gun-runners operating in the Southwest, with NO guns being allowed to leave the country. Zero turns it into what it has become for his own domestic political agenda of banning the private ownership of firearms through the 'example of Mexico' and has turned it into a nightmare.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2011-10-03 18:23|| 2011-10-03 18:23|| Front Page Top

#10 Zero had better hope that the Mexicans never decide to indict him for aiding and abetting terrorism in Mexico, because the US and confirmed treaty gun export laws were not just ignored in this, they were actively and intentionally ignored and subverted.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2011-10-03 18:26|| 2011-10-03 18:26|| Front Page Top

#11 Fox Special Report today:
Holder is named twice in contemporary emails as having been briefed last summer on F&F. He testified this year he only learned of it this March. The lies are catching up to them

Posted by Frank G 2011-10-03 18:43|| 2011-10-03 18:43|| Front Page Top

#12 That's raaaaaacist, #5 Mercutio. ;-p

Posted by Barbara 2011-10-03 19:12|| 2011-10-03 19:12|| Front Page Top

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