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2005-10-02 Iraq

Zarq Begins Folding the Tent, Sending Some Jihadis Home

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Posted by Captain America 2005-10-02 11:28|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sounds like a none too subtle hint that Iraq is rapidly becoming a lost cause.

p.s. Be sure to declare complete and total victory when you run away.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-10-02 11:53|| 2005-10-02 11:53|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm sure the Arabs will cheer just as loudly when car bombs go off in their capitals.

Posted by ed 2005-10-02 11:58|| 2005-10-02 11:58|| Front Page Top

#3 Arabs? I thought he meant France!

Posted by Jake-the-Peg 2005-10-02 12:05|| 2005-10-02 12:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Democracy is the enemy of Islam. These nutcase clerics, the dictators, the presidents for life, kings, and princes, know they will be in the unemployment line in a democracy. That's why they fight Western Civilzation and the Greatest Satan: Popular Democracy.

Posted by Flavins Pholuger6383 2005-10-02 12:05|| 2005-10-02 12:05|| Front Page Top

#5 So, um, whadda these mooks get as a consolation prize?

Letters of Reference?
Zaqri Decoder Rings?
Zarqi Fan Club ID's?
The Zarqi Civil War Go Boom! Game, Home Edition?
A Keepsake Zarqi Beheading Video?
Autographed Editions of "My Sheikh is Behind Me, About 100km Behind."
Drano?

I liked it better when they got dead. There. In Mook Flypaper Memorial Meadows.

Posted by .com 2005-10-02 12:57|| 2005-10-02 12:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Uh, folks: If you listen very, very carefully, you will hear a horrible sound. Please do not worry. That is just the sound of our own local Stalinists screaming when they realize that Bush is about to deliver a military victory in Iraq.

You know how they are: no more dead Americans, lots more dead terrorists.

If this wonderful news is indeed true then a military victory will cripple the anti-war anti-American left for at least a generation. They have staked everything on this one card: To end the war through defeat and betrayal, just like they did in Viet Nam. The left will be reminded in their very faces daily if not hourly that their worse defeatism and enemy-mongering could not stop freedom from taking hold.

This could be huge. But do not be alarmed by that sound.

Posted by badanov 2005-10-02 13:02|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2005-10-02 13:02|| Front Page Top

#7 Or: this could be the metastasizing of the insurgency.

This will take 20 years or so to deal with. But a stable Iraq would be a great milestone along the way.

Posted by lotp 2005-10-02 13:15|| 2005-10-02 13:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Don't tease us, bad, lol!

Man, I hope you're right - sweet it would be. Of course, this won't be to Bush's credit. Sticking by his troops and ignoring the ankle-biters, etc. Bush is so, um, unsatisfying. Icky, really.

Again, I hope you've detected the real meaning behind this... Thx - made my day!

Posted by .com 2005-10-02 13:16|| 2005-10-02 13:16|| Front Page Top

#9 Also, note that it is foreign Sunnis who are being sent home. That leaves open the possibility that he has sufficient Iraqi Sunnis to keep things going there without outside bodies (so to speak).

We'll see ....

Posted by lotp 2005-10-02 13:16|| 2005-10-02 13:16|| Front Page Top

#10 It could be that the latest helpers aren't arriving with nearly as much pocket money as their predecessors, and so their "suicides" are no longer a profit center. Running an "insurgency" costs money, y'know, and Osama bin Laden is likely having a few cash flow problems of his own, way out there in the mountainous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-10-02 14:36|| 2005-10-02 14:36|| Front Page Top

#11 There are so many facets in the GWoT. There are the mil ops, then financial dealings, searching out backers of terrorists. I hope that the tide is turning. One thing for sure: it will not happen overnight. Iraq is still a tribal f*cked up place. The ex-Saddam Sunnis would rather be stuck on stupid then evolve to meet new conditions. The Kurds did something with the time and protection given to them. It seems that if you get rid of the money, a lot of the problems will go away. Psychopaths with billions coming in should not be expected to do the right thing for their citizens. Look at Saudi and Iran. Getting off the ME oil tit is the toughest thing the civilized world will ever do.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-10-02 14:54|| 2005-10-02 14:54|| Front Page Top

#12 Oil didn't help Louisiana either, though it didn't harm Texas or Alaska. I suspect the culture you start with has a lot to do with oil's effect.

Nonetheless, it is unlikely we will get off the ME oil tit until we have to because it is running dry. Anytime we start to get off, they will just lower prices. The only way we get off, nuclear energy and oil tariffs, is unpalatible to too many voters and will involve too much economic contraction. So it will not happen until we have exhausted ME oil. That's one reason to keep ANWAR idle. Don't open it till we've drained the ME.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-10-02 15:16|| 2005-10-02 15:16|| Front Page Top

#13 This ia a mixed bag. If these terrorists go home and start jihad, itr could be good and bad. Perhaps if the Euros oil spigot is threatned by a spreading jihad they will finally got off thier buts and actually fight but I doubt it.

AP I know you are right. Getting us off the Middle Eastern and foreign oil and petro chemicals will be one of the hardest things we will ever do. Do it we must and any politician or group that gets in the way needs to be turned into visible road kill.

I believe things are going better in Iraq then can be expected. Tribalism and ignorance are retarding things. Look aroound in the western world. Anyplace people are still tribal/clanish it's backwards and poor. Getting the Iraqi's standing on their own 2 feet and not killing each other is going to take years. They are doing pretty well considering the external and self inflicted difficulties they face.

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-10-02 15:23|| 2005-10-02 15:23|| Front Page Top

#14 "We got hold of a very important letter from Abu Azzam to Zarqawi asking him to begin to move a number of Arab fighters to the countries they came from to transfer their experience in car bombings in Iraq,"

Hmmmm...maybe he's referring to car bomb making. Don't seem to recall too many repeat car bombers. Its sort of a one shot deal.

Posted by Jeans Threase5771 2005-10-02 16:28|| 2005-10-02 16:28|| Front Page Top

#15 I look for the day when people believe that oil is too valuable as a petrochemical feedstock to burn.

Posted by RWV 2005-10-02 19:07|| 2005-10-02 19:07|| Front Page Top

#16 None of their home countries are democracies. Let them go boom in Egypt, Jordan, etc. They're high if they think we can make their home countries into theocracies. If they destabilize things there, it may ultimately work to our advantage.

Posted by JAB 2005-10-02 20:38|| 2005-10-02 20:38|| Front Page Top

#17 .com:

My amatuer political theory goes like this.

The left been ascendent in this country for a couple of generations. The left high ideals are socialism and defeatism at home, and peace and appeasement abroad. This has been accepted doctrine of the left taking two generations to spread that our own military is a bad thing, but leftist politicians who have the power to tax and redistribute the proceeds to the politically loyal is a wonderful thing. Heck, I accepted that bullsh*t for years myself.

Reagan created the crack in this screwed up social order, and Dubya's reaction to a terrorist attack on 911 has opened the floodgates wide enough that the whole political landscape has changed and for the better.

Many folks learned the lessons from this attack and began to realize that if you want to practice socialism in the US, you still have to protect the system that props it up and you must do so politically. There is no contradiction here. Christopher Hitchens had a 'Come to Jesus' moment post 911, and while he is attacking the same looney who were once his friends, the man is still very much a leftist intellectual. Hitchens uses many of the things conservatives use to push forward their ideology, fact, logic and dispassionate but vigorously emphatic debate.

You think the left just decided to go insane because of Bush? They were always this way, but when the next step in their socialist agenda died with Dubya becoming president in 2000, they got mad, but when Dubya got his resolution to go after the terrorists, they simply lost all control of their bodily functions.

There is no going back to the nihilistic sentiments of the 60s and 70s. All that boolsh*t evaporated, the same day the the towers fell. And in the intervening years, while the left has been complaining about "our Viet Nam" in Iraq, the public is just starting to see what really happened in Viet Nam and what really matters: love of country, family and God.

And what happened in Viet Nam was a small vocal minority of insane people came to hijack policy for their own ideals, they drove the US into cutting out of Viet Nam and leading to more than 6 million dead. People can now distinguish between leadership and defeatism, nihilism and socialism as never before.

You would think the left would be wise enough to STFU and let things take its course, try to regain power by presing domestic issues, but no. They have to talk about quagmires and Viet Nam because that is all they have and all they will vever have.

If Bush does deliver a military victory in Iraq, it will completely and totally repudiate the last four years of this leftist defeatism and show to an entire egeneration, that we all made a huge mistake, but Viet Nam wasn't it. It was trying to make policy out of insane and costly and unwormkable ideas, brought to you by essnetially the same people who killed more than 150 million in the 20th century.

Anyway, hat's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by badanov 2005-10-02 20:47|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2005-10-02 20:47|| Front Page Top

#18 Oops - Off having dinner...

Wow, bad... There's several meals there, lol! As I read, it rings true all along the way, too. I definitely agree that on the domestic front the pivotal moment was during Vietnam. I will not contaminate this post with my thoughts and feelings about the conduct of the war in Vietnam. AC would have some very similar point, I'd wager. (I wonder where he's been for the last week or so?) The focal point is between the media & elites - they provide the energy for the continuing battle against America, from within. The first glimpse of "success" for the Left came when they gained media favor - especially with Walter Crankcase in his infamous move to the Dark Side after Tet... which was the imprimatur the bulk of the MSM needed to pile on. Of course, after that, the fix was in, game, set, match. And journalism suddenly became an approved means of not just advocacy, but of regime change. All The President's Men sealed journalism as an occupation of choice - making it appear "glamorous" to the pinheads - for those with enough spunk to get off their parent's couch and move out of the basement to attend J-School or pursue Academia.

Sigh. The slog has been uphill ever since. I think Bush-Gore was another pivotal moment - one in which the Left realized they didn't actually have the nation in its pocket and that Reagan wasn't an anomaly of his having been a movie star, etc . - the rationale I read numerous times during the Clintoon's Camelot II Era.

I am definitely on the same wavelength, and the more I consider the article, the more I think they are, indeed, taking the fight elsewhere and abandoning their Iraqi comrades. I'll be re-reading your post for a couple of days, lol! If anything else hits me, I'll respond in an appropriate thread. Thx for the write-up!

Posted by .com 2005-10-02 22:30|| 2005-10-02 22:30|| Front Page Top

#19 Zarqawi.... the boy in pursuit of his lost manhood. He is known by the words he speaks and the friends he keeps. Zarqawi is a slum child from Jordan who was rejected from the gangs that ran his part of the slums, so he left for those who would embrace him in spite of his fondness for young boys... thus Zarqawi the blasphemer from Jordan became a seeker of higher calling but unable to shake his Satanic drive for lusting of children and then killing innocents and people for a means of penance for his evil doings.

Zarqawi still seeks acceptance from the ummah but has trouble from the truely pious and true believers in Allah and the religion of Islam. He is a horrible embarrassment to the ummah and to the rest of God's creations. Only God has the right to choose who lives or dies and empowers over others. Zarqawi chose to elevate himself to the right hand of God and be at his level.

Zarqawi decided to be the final master of the Koran and the one to deliver enduring justice instead of God. Zarqawi has embraced his own feelings of right and wrong rather than God, and imposes his murder and unGodly behavior upon others to submit or perish by.

Zarqawi can only be comforted by intimacy with children and then smashes everything afterwards. he drives away those that get close to him, and he terrorizes those who avoid him. Zarqawi is self-destructive and copes with that realization by attempting to destroy others.

Zarqawi grew into an unhappy boy, and remains so to this very day, by being rejected by the gangs and toughies in the slum he grew up in. They considered him as infeminate and cowardly. But, Zarqawi would show them and he would show everybody!

What better way to lash back at the world but by embracing the notions of being a mujahadeen in fierce jihad against the West? Zarqawi felt this would give him respect and become a God in his own right... even if it killed him or many many many many many others. When Zarqawi bonded with other disaffected brothers to his liking, it was a bond born in hell.

When things got slippery with his peers in Iraq & Syria, the Zarqawi had to re-establish a sense of accomplishment and validate his self-made position as a leader and one who sits at the right hand of God himself. Zarqawi reached out to princess Ossama bin Laden and Pimp Daddy Zawahiri to bump himself up a notch.

It made for good PR in the MSM (secret allies of insurgents everywhere) and it gave him additional fantasies to work over while working his way through the children of AQ-occupied villages and towns in Iraq. Zarqawi is a slickster for sure, and Satan will finally have an additional card player at the table in hell along with the likes of Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Kim il whats-his-face, Stalin, Idi Amin, and all the other pukes that satan recruited.

Zarqawi.... you a dead dried pork meat stuck in the stomach of a dog living in a city dump in New Dehli. You are crap on a stick on a hot tin roof on a outhouse.

Posted by Fun Dung Poo 2005-10-02 23:18|| 2005-10-02 23:18|| Front Page Top

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