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2003-09-19 Iraq

We are facing death in Iraq for no reason

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Posted by Murat 2003-09-19 3:50:49 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "Thankfully, I have not personally been a witness to atrocities - unless, of course, you consider, as I do, that this war in Iraq is the ultimate atrocity."

This wet blanket thinks like a(n unreformed) human shield. So he hasn't actually seen anything specific himself, he's heard a few stories. If he wants atrocities, why doesn't he pick up one of the many DVDs available in Iraq now, showing footage of Saddam's regime's beatings, executions and other barbarous acts, which, someone should remind this moral coward, happened to hundreds of terrified individuals on a daily basis for the duration of Saddam's rule and would have continued indefinitely if it haddn't have been for Tiny-Minded Timmy and his fighting colleagues.

"There is only one truth, and it is that Americans are dying."

Spoken like a classic lefty loon: moronic, meaningless rhetoric.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-9-19 4:23:18 AM|| 2003-9-19 4:23:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 So what is our purpose here? Was this invasion because of weapons of mass destruction, as we have so often heard? Did we invade to dispose of a leader and his regime because they were closely associated with Osama bin Laden?

You did it so that your children wouldn't have to do it 50 years down the road, possibly involving nukes.

Oil - at least to me - seems to be the reason for our presence.

Too soon to tell if it is about oil. So far prices at the pumps are increasing steadily or remaining stable but definately are not decreasing. So if the US is getting oil I'd like to know where it's going, 'cause I'm not seeing any of the benefits at my local gas station yet. Now if the price of oil doesn't decrease in the long run (about a year) I am willing to bet that Murat will say the American gov't is hoarding oil for its secret plan to invade every country on Earth. You'd need lots of oil for that.

Nice try Murat.

Posted by Rafael 2003-9-19 4:29:56 AM|| 2003-9-19 4:29:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 It's been a while, 3 weeks at least, since I last saw the It's All About OOIIILLLL theory.

Thanks Tim (and Murray) for playing that oldie but goodie.

No mention of Predmore's rank? He hasn't attempted to speak for anyone but himself which I hope indicates that his fellow soldiers don't see eye to eye with him (is that why he said "with age comes wisdom, at 36 I can no longer blah blah blah"). Probably a loner.

Posted by Tokyo Taro 2003-9-19 4:38:32 AM|| 2003-9-19 4:38:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Wow... and Pvt. Predmore seemed like such a promising young soldier... I'm guessin' this means he's not going to reenlist? We sure will miss ya Timmy... Don't let the door hit ya on the way out...

(Anybody who would talk to the Al-Guardian should be charged with treason)

Posted by ----------<<<<- 2003-9-19 6:53:59 AM|| 2003-9-19 6:53:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 A nice anecdote from august 2002 by Fikret Bila columnist of the Milliyet newspaper, months before the Iraq war had started the USA requested Turkey to use its soil to sent Special Forces into Northern Iraq. Ankara granted the permission on a condition to conduct the operations jointly with the Turkish Special Forces (Debka reported these special Operations a several times). US Deputy Secretary of Defence Paul Wolfowitz accepted the condition and the joint special forces began their operations.

One of the cloudy events of august 2002 was when the USA requested the Turkish foreign ministry to transit two suspected barrels with possible WMD related material, found by their special forces. The foreign ministry allowed the transit but requested to take samples of that material on which the US drew back their request (something to hide perhaps?). A while later US officials made a new request for transiting with the statement that âthe found material quantity was to small to give a sampleâ on which Ankara rejected the request.

Posted by Murat 2003-9-19 7:15:28 AM|| 2003-9-19 7:15:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I can read the stupid subject title and know it's the Rat. Nice anti- american rant turk boy...how's that empire going?

Posted by Frank G 2003-9-19 8:47:52 AM|| 2003-9-19 8:47:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Nice one Frank G. One only has to look at the 'source' of this 'report' to see that it is horseshit. I doubt this person even exists. I'll check though, I know 8 guys in the 101 who are still in Iraq. Oh and guess what? They are proud of what they are doing and they have all reported having good relations with the Iraqi people. Sorry Murat, nice try though. And I love the 'ignoring the pleas of the citizens' crap! Since when did democracy mean listening to the 30% opposed instead of the 70% for the war? Give me a break. How's that Turkish economy doing? Need some cardboard to make some houses? I just bought a new refrigerator and have a big box if you need it. Seriously, let me know. I'll even pay to ship the box to you.

Posted by Swiggles 2003-9-19 9:09:48 AM|| 2003-9-19 9:09:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Only if it is a White Westinghouse box Swiggles, to sent my old refrigerator back to the states, that American piece of scrap made me buy a Samsung, hope that Koreans manufacture more quality.

Posted by Murat 2003-9-19 9:37:48 AM|| 2003-9-19 9:37:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 you mean the Koreans that America has kept safe for over 50 years...oh, that's right, it's all about the oooiiilllll, right? lol, that one really hurt, rat

Posted by Frank G 2003-9-19 9:41:17 AM|| 2003-9-19 9:41:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 This kid is facing death for one clear reason: he volunteered. Even if this is a wat strictly to support free trade of oil, American Servicemen have been called to do such and done it effectively and bravely since the Tripolitan War.

My conclusion: the letter is a fraud or the kid is a punk. Hope he/she makes the right decision at reenlistment time and gets the hell out of whatever service he is in.

Posted by Super Hose 2003-9-19 9:46:35 AM|| 2003-9-19 9:46:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I googled his name and found his letter is very popular with the usual anti-war groups. The Peoria Journal Star say's this about him:

Tim Predmore is on active duty with the 101st Airborne Division near Mosul, Iraq. A 1985 Richwoods High School graduate and native Peorian, he has been in Iraq since March and in the military for about five years.

OK, if he graduated from High School in 1985 at age 16 -17, that would have made him about 29 - 30 in 1998, which is the five years ago when he was supposed to have enlisted. Army website says age requirements are 17 - 34, so he would have been on the high age end. And he made it into the 101? Five years in, most likely on a six year enlistment if he has this attitude, don't think he sounds like he would be re-up material. Smells fishy to me.

Posted by Steve 2003-9-19 10:38:49 AM|| 2003-9-19 10:38:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Murat, if this soldier is your most valid argument against the mission in Iraq. I think you should go back to work selling Doner Kababs.

In every Army in the world, in every war that has ever taken place, there have ALWAYS been slackers and cowards. Hell, in the first Gulf War you had people that refused to deploy. Not because they felt the war was wrong, but because (whiny voice : "I don't want to die.")

There are some people in life that are chickenshit losers that wouldn't jump into a lake to save their own kid from drowning or rush into a building that's on fire to save someone else's baby either.

Yesterday I talked to a platoon sergeant that just rotated back on orders. Much to my surprise his chem platoon was mostly female. When I asked about Iraq, he laughed. "The media's a joke.", he said. The morale isn't close too the "rock bottom" that's portrayed by the media and Pvt Cryme A. River. It's just the basic bitching and griping all soldiers do. His soldiers run patrols and convoys like everyone else. They get shot at and ambushed (not very well, he added). He said the females had a lot of fire and after the inital trials under fire they're good to go.

The job is a dangerous one. Anyone that's ever served knew that before they went in. It sounds to me like Pvt. P. Hispants, was just a college boy in and out in four years to get his college money. And like some National Guard and Reservists, thought they'd get alot of bennies and an easy life playing boyscouts for a few years. Sad face, Pvt. I. Wantmymommy. Suck it up and drive on. I know your type. You'll be the first one home telling everyone how you destroyed 6 Iraqi tanks with nothing but a P-38 can opener and your dog tags.

I will wager 2 things though,

1) He's not in a combat arms line company.

and...

2) If he was, and his platoon members found out about that letter, they'd be on him like a pack of wolves.

In the military organization, war serves two good functions. It weeds out the poor leaders and the cowards. Natural selection large and in charge.

Posted by Paul 2003-9-19 10:56:16 AM|| 2003-9-19 10:56:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 To sum up the general anti-war arguement:

"Screw em' let the wogs die."

I find that attitude disgusting.

Posted by Yank 2003-9-19 11:14:59 AM|| 2003-9-19 11:14:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Hey Murat, since I arrived here only a few months ago and probably missed it, could you please make a clear declaration so I'd know EXACTLY what your point is in posting these worthless propaganda pieces.

Choose from the following please:

1) Iraq and its people were far better off under the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein and the government of Iraq posed no real dangers to either its neighbors or its own citizens;

OR

2) I'm a troll and I just like to post anti-American rhetoric;

Just a simple declaration Murat, that's all I'm asking for. If you honestly support statement #1 above, then hey let us all know it. On the other hand, if you simply like yanking chains, then I suppose we'd all respect the fact that every site of this nature has somebody like you.

No coverups, no flowerly language, simply let us know Murat, does statement #1 approximate your position, or is statement #2 more accurate.

THANKS in advance for your anticipated honesty.

Posted by Flaming Sword 2003-9-19 11:22:35 AM|| 2003-9-19 11:22:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 For the past six months, I have been participating in what I believe to be the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Read this.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-9-19 11:37:07 AM|| 2003-9-19 11:37:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 "From my arrival last November at Fort Cambell"
Sounds like one unhappy Reservist who did not want to be called up for active duty.

Posted by Stephen 2003-9-19 12:27:45 PM|| 2003-9-19 12:27:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Thanks Bomb-a -rama ....great link.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2003-9-19 12:51:59 PM|| 2003-9-19 12:51:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Ditto--thanks, Bomb-a-rama. That was a good read.

Posted by Dar 2003-9-19 1:13:05 PM|| 2003-9-19 1:13:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Thanks Bomb-a-rama. Good Read.

I get the idea that this person just joined up to get the benefits and is now pissed that he has to fuilfill his part of the bargain.

Posted by CrazyFool 2003-9-19 2:05:08 PM|| 2003-9-19 2:05:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Hey, Swiggles:

Only 2 thoughts concerning the original article:
1) It's a fake - the most likely scenario, given what Steve figured out, or;
2) Pvt Predmore is actually in Iraq in the 101st, in which case I must ask the simple question, "Is he still alive, or have his buddies found out about him and extracted appropriate retribution for having sullied the 101st's name?"

LVK C-1-18 RVN (class of '66-'67)

Posted by LVK (C-1-18 1ID RVN) 2003-9-19 2:21:53 PM|| 2003-9-19 2:21:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Old news Murat...this first appeared 24 August. What, you can't find any new propaganda to disseminate?

Posted by Watcher 2003-9-19 7:40:57 PM|| 2003-9-19 7:40:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 How quick we are to turn on our military boys that don't parrot the Bushie line...

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